Nerf stamNB thread

GeorgeBlack

Remove stun/define from Incap.
Ganging can continue without them.
Hide and atk can continue without them
Will stamNB become weak?
Lets get there first and then we buff other tools.

Incap is the most insane skill in PvP. Here's why:
Small cost makes it spammable.
Cc leaves target and a disadvantage.
Strong dmg brings me to execution range, and NB has the tools.
Dmg bonus/gap closer leaves no means to recover from gang
Defile.
And guess what? The ulty is up again.

If you are an assassin you need to finish the job with:
Ambush-CC
Ulty- bring my HP low and get rdy to strike hard
Use immovable and keep going. You have a gap closer. I cannot CC you.
Execute me.
Now if you cant kill me like that run away and try again.
The way it is now it is ridiculous and you know it.
"Why bother with CC when my ulty can do that. Why slot/use defile when my ulty can do that..."
Spam spam spam.

Never in a game has I seen assassins so relentless. They either KO non tank/warriors, or jump in a target engaged in combat with an ally, and finish them off.
Eso?
Spam incap. Execute gap closer execute
Spam incap. Execute gap closer execute

Having said all that, I find that I kill most stamNBs in my encounters. But when I see known names I know thay I will be looking at the respawn map in no time. And they all kill me before I see them. That's what real stamNB is. And I know the good ones will still be able to kill anybody that isnt meant to take on DMG.

ccfeeling

What class you play the most in cyrodiil ?

Aesthier

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

be able to kill anybody that isnt meant to take on DMG.

But THAT ^ is what the role of Nightblade is and always has been, what it was originally meant to be.

Assassin.

Kalante

obligatory stam nb nerf thread confirmed

MajBludd

I've been killed by several nbs over my time in pvp and never did I say they needed a nerf.

I think ppl get salty because they get killed easily by them. But, if you are able to defend from the intial attack, most of the time they either stealth away or get squashed.

So, I really don't see the problem with them. I'm sure there are several other skills that could be reworked on other classes to bring them up to par with incap.

Voxicity

I would agree with you if stamblades stood any kind of chance against heavy armour / sword and board targets

Since they don't, I must disagree with you and inform you that the balance in this game works like rock paper scissors

StamNB beats light armor templar
Tanky Stamsorc beats stamnb
StamNB beats light armour DK
Stamward beats stamnb

And it goes on and on. What you see is that most stamblades do not engage with a heavy armour or sword and shield user because the time and effort put in for the kill is not worth it. So you mostly see stamblades fighting squishy targets. Because of this, you perceive that stamblade beats all, but actually they just beat targets they know they stand a chance against

Granted, they may be a bit too OP against the squishies, I won't deny that

Kadoin

Voxicity wrote: »

StamNB beats light armor templar
Tanky Stamsorc beats stamnb
StamNB beats light armour DK
Stamward beats stamnb

Weird, I kill stam NBs on my light armor templar and light armor DK all the time with little to no problems. Stam NB really is nothing without incap's stun and defile. When have you seriously been finished by a stam NB that didn't use that ultimate? I can't remember, and even then it's down to luck (dying because of sliding on the ground bug). If they nefed incap, stam NB would be nothing in PvP, evidenced by the fact if you stop their incap they simply run or die.

Voxicity

Kadoin wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

StamNB beats light armor templar
Tanky Stamsorc beats stamnb
StamNB beats light armour DK
Stamward beats stamnb

Weird, I kill stam NBs on my light armor templar and light armor DK all the time with little to no problems. Stam NB really is nothing without incap's stun and defile. When have you seriously been finished by a stam NB that didn't use that ultimate? I can't remember, and even then it's down to luck (dying because of sliding on the ground bug). If they nefed incap, stam NB would be nothing in PvP, evidenced by the fact if you stop their incap they simply run or die.

To be fair I played for the past couple of months with DB and didn't feel much difference compared to incap. Incap is better but only marginally, in my experience anyway

Also those were examples and shouldn't be taken literally since different people have different skill levels. These are just the classes I find easiest/most difficult to fight

Surak73

MajBludd wrote: »

I've been killed by several nbs over my time in pvp and never did I say they needed a nerf.

I think ppl get salty because they get killed easily by them. But, if you are able to defend from the intial attack, most of the time they either stealth away or get squashed.

Yep, they stealth away, but only to return ten second later or so with all of their tools ready again, maybe while I'm fighting with someone else...

I agree that they are not so powerful once you become accustomed to withstand their initial assault, but they are very annoying anyway. Especially when they are the vast majority of the population...

MrGarlic

I could say the same for every class. They all have their own specialities.

But the reality is that you should change your play-style to counter the things that kill you.

Asking for a class to be nerfed because a player hasn't put any effort into researching ways to set up their build to counter another player is just plain lazy.

Nightblades do not need to be nerfed. They can be killed easily with the right amount of skill and forethought.

Palidon

Leave the Nightblade Class alone ZOS. I see no reason for any of the forthcoming changes. Out of all the classes in ESO the Nightblade class has been messed with the most over the four years this game has been in existence. Just look back at it's history of changes.

Enough is enough. The players who continually cry about Nightblades in PvP and yell nerf nerf nerf, need to learn how to play against them. If you can't swim in the ocean, then stay in the kiddie pool.

SGT_Wolfe101st

Show me on the doll where the Night Blade hurt you...

oXI_Viper_IXo

Yeah, we definitely needed another one of these threads.

GeorgeBlack

Near spammable ulty.
Cc
Dmg
Defile
Buff to atks.
Without it only the good ones could pull off kills.

Daedric_NB_187

Aaaannnnddddd.....here we go again

vamp_emily

Having said all that, I find that I kill most stamNBs in my encounters.

Nerf NBs? Sounds like we need a buff.

dtsharples

I think what he's saying is that easy-mode really should have a downside to playing it.
Currently as it stands, there isnt a single reason not to play a Stamblade (Hence 50% of Cyrodiil is currently playing a Stamblade....)

Raraaku

I liked Gilliam's idea with Incapacitating Strike which was a scaling system for it. I think his was like Major Defile at around 90 and stun around 110. I don't know if that would balance it at all, I don't play PvP.

Bam_Bam

Shurrup George! :P Just joking pal.

But the problem really isn't NB over-performing - its other classes underperforming.
NBs are the gold standard of how a class should be designed. The fact that the new patch hasn't done much except change one of the Cloak mechanisms pretty much screams from every mountain that the devs are incredibly pleased with the way NBs perform.
Their role is primarily assassin and the skills it has are well though out and make it an accessible class that is fun to play but hard to master. But that is how it should be for EVERY class imho. :)Also, it's easy, with practice , to counteract the NBs strengths. Most people simply don't prepare well and leave them selves wide open to attacks by NB.
Other classes seem to do very well against NB. the most trouble I have is against magDK and Wardens. I'd like to see these classes get improved 'tracking' passives for actually hunting NBs - for examples Wardens would appear best suited (in a kind of lore-way) to be great trackers and could find hiddent/invis/stealthed NB's
And while Incap is a VERY powerful ult (I agree that it needs a cost increase), a lot of people don't utilise it well. Good players are well aware of the danger and have plenty of countermeasures or tactics for avioding or mitigating the problems it causes.

oXI_Viper_IXo

dtsharples wrote: »

I think what he's saying is that easy-mode really should have a downside to playing it.
Currently as it stands, there isnt a single reason not to play a Stamblade (Hence 50% of Cyrodiil is currently playing a Stamblade....)

Nice hyperbole.

Bam_Bam

Surak73 wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

I've been killed by several nbs over my time in pvp and never did I say they needed a nerf.

I think ppl get salty because they get killed easily by them. But, if you are able to defend from the intial attack, most of the time they either stealth away or get squashed.

Yep, they stealth away, but only to return ten second later or so with all of their tools ready again, maybe while I'm fighting with someone else...

I agree that they are not so powerful once you become accustomed to withstand their initial assault, but they are very annoying anyway. Especially when they are the vast majority of the population...

Being annoying is our role. It isn't a reason for a nerf lol. Like I say above, good players know that prepation is key.

Remember the "7 P's":

"Proper Planning and Practice Prevents Pi55 Poor Performance."

Micah_Bayer

Kadoin wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

StamNB beats light armor templar
Tanky Stamsorc beats stamnb
StamNB beats light armour DK
Stamward beats stamnb

Weird, I kill stam NBs on my light armor templar and light armor DK all the time with little to no problems. Stam NB really is nothing without incap's stun and defile. When have you seriously been finished by a stam NB that didn't use that ultimate? I can't remember, and even then it's down to luck (dying because of sliding on the ground bug). If they nefed incap, stam NB would be nothing in PvP, evidenced by the fact if you stop their incap they simply run or die.

Anyone who needs and ult to kill someone is bad

bloodthirstyvampire

dtsharples wrote: »

I think what he's saying is that easy-mode really should have a downside to playing it.
Currently as it stands, there isnt a single reason not to play a Stamblade (Hence 50% of Cyrodiil is currently playing a Stamblade....)

Easy mode is sorc

Shardan4968

Just buff other classes and leave us alone! There's still PvE content where nerfing nightblades wouldn't serve anyone.

josiahva

Voxicity wrote: »

I would agree with you if stamblades stood any kind of chance against heavy armour / sword and board targets

Since they don't, I must disagree with you and inform you that the balance in this game works like rock paper scissors

StamNB beats light armor templar
Tanky Stamsorc beats stamnb
StamNB beats light armour DK
Stamward beats stamnb

And it goes on and on. What you see is that most stamblades do not engage with a heavy armour or sword and shield user because the time and effort put in for the kill is not worth it. So you mostly see stamblades fighting squishy targets. Because of this, you perceive that stamblade beats all, but actually they just beat targets they know they stand a chance against

Granted, they may be a bit too OP against the squishies, I won't deny that

This^^ I actually find it quite funny because my magicka DK is heavy armor, but doesnt use S&B and I use a costume that looks more like a robe, so stamblades will inevitably try to gank me and fail, only to try running away...I am able to kill them before they get away about 70-80% of the time...they think cloak will save them, but I dont go anywhere without magelight at the least slotted...and the Vamp ult actually doubles nicely as an anti-stealth tool

FearlessOne_2014

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Shurrup George! :P Just joking pal.

But the problem really isn't NB over-performing - its other classes underperforming.
NBs are the gold standard of how a class should be designed. The fact that the new patch hasn't done much except change one of the Cloak mechanisms pretty much screams from every mountain that the devs are incredibly pleased with the way NBs perform.
Their role is primarily assassin and the skills it has are well though out and make it an accessible class that is fun to play but hard to master. But that is how it should be for EVERY class imho. :)Also, it's easy, with practice , to counteract the NBs strengths. Most people simply don't prepare well and leave them selves wide open to attacks by NB.
Other classes seem to do very well against NB. the most trouble I have is against magDK and Wardens. I'd like to see these classes get improved 'tracking' passives for actually hunting NBs - for examples Wardens would appear best suited (in a kind of lore-way) to be great trackers and could find hiddent/invis/stealthed NB's
And while Incap is a VERY powerful ult (I agree that it needs a cost increase), a lot of people don't utilise it well. Good players are well aware of the danger and have plenty of countermeasures or tactics for avioding or mitigating the problems it causes.

Other words drop your light armor and sticks and pick you heavy armor and sword and board. Stamina in it's own right needs cross the board nerf in my opinion. The fact that my stamina character easily outproforms my magicka characters in almost every theme in PvP is very telling.

As someone who does PvP on everything both magicka and stamina. I don't think stamblades are the issues. It's the fact that stamina across the board. Is just so supremely overpowering in PvP atm. And stamblades just rides that jolly train with the rest of the stamina builds.

I no longer dare to bring my Magicka builds into Cyrodiil anymore. Why gimp myself by bringing magicka based playstyles. And that is the problem the should be solved in my eyes.

JobooAGS

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Shurrup George! :P Just joking pal.

But the problem really isn't NB over-performing - its other classes underperforming.
NBs are the gold standard of how a class should be designed. The fact that the new patch hasn't done much except change one of the Cloak mechanisms pretty much screams from every mountain that the devs are incredibly pleased with the way NBs perform.
Their role is primarily assassin and the skills it has are well though out and make it an accessible class that is fun to play but hard to master. But that is how it should be for EVERY class imho. :)Also, it's easy, with practice , to counteract the NBs strengths. Most people simply don't prepare well and leave them selves wide open to attacks by NB.
Other classes seem to do very well against NB. the most trouble I have is against magDK and Wardens. I'd like to see these classes get improved 'tracking' passives for actually hunting NBs - for examples Wardens would appear best suited (in a kind of lore-way) to be great trackers and could find hiddent/invis/stealthed NB's
And while Incap is a VERY powerful ult (I agree that it needs a cost increase), a lot of people don't utilise it well. Good players are well aware of the danger and have plenty of countermeasures or tactics for avioding or mitigating the problems it causes.

A cost increase is not the way to go, as you will kill WM builds in pve, and therefore stamblade trial slots/dps

Gilvoth

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

PS. Nerf incap.
Remove Defile or Remove Stun.

another nerf nightblade skills and ultimate thread.
you guys keep making these threads with different wording and constantly asking for nerfs is getting really old.
please stop making these types of threads asking for nightblade nerfs and disguising them as other types of threads by the wording in the titles.

i hope the developers, the forum moderators, and the eso community will see that is what you guys are doing.
see here other threads he's made asking same thing. him and his friends keep doing this and spamming these.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/408151/reconsider-restricting-the-use-of-cloak-an-iconic-class-skill-when-there-are-other-choices#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/408115/dark-cloak-and-nb-tanking#latest

please stop making these kind of threads.

Rohamad_Ali

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YkfU1JqmkHM

teladoy

Nerf Stamwarden???

Beardimus

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Remove stun/define from Incap.
Ganging can continue without them.
Hide and atk can continue without them
Will stamNB become weak?
Lets get there first and then we buff other tools.

Incap is the most insane skill in PvP. Here's why:
Small cost makes it spammable.
Cc leaves target and a disadvantage.
Strong dmg brings me to execution range, and NB has the tools.
Dmg bonus/gap closer leaves no means to recover from gang
Defile.
And guess what? The ulty is up again.

If you are an assassin you need to finish the job with:
Ambush-CC
Ulty- bring my HP low and get rdy to strike hard
Use immovable and keep going. You have a gap closer. I cannot CC you.
Execute me.
Now if you cant kill me like that run away and try again.
The way it is now it is ridiculous and you know it.
"Why bother with CC when my ulty can do that. Why slot/use defile when my ulty can do that..."
Spam spam spam.

Never in a game has I seen assassins so relentless. They either KO non tank/warriors, or jump in a target engaged in combat with an ally, and finish them off.
Eso?
Spam incap. Execute gap closer execute
Spam incap. Execute gap closer execute

Having said all that, I find that I kill most stamNBs in my encounters. But when I see known names I know thay I will be looking at the respawn map in no time. And they all kill me before I see them. That's what real stamNB is. And I know the good ones will still be able to kill anybody that isnt meant to take on DMG.

Yikes we agree on something else.

Buff DW and Nerf StamNB

what I'm not sure is what they changes were that made them so OP. And they genuinely are. Even the StamNB admit it.

I'm all for the ninja class. But when most of cyro has switched and duels have gone one sided. And players who cant duel switch and have the same I win combo its getting silly.

At least double incap cost

Check the data ZOS. Check its use. Check dueling stats. Data don't lie