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Reconsider restricting the use of cloak (an iconic class skill) when there are other choices.

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GeorgeBlack
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Do not force nightblades to give up on invisibility in order to tank.
There are numberous unused skills to add a tanking mechanism(heal) to it.

I am trying to get my friends to start again Eso. They dont care much for the game because PvP is limited and meaningless(optional).
However they like that a single character can perform different tasks by using different gear and armors.
I enjoy PvPing and doing PvE tank/dps with 1 character without having to change morphs/stats.
I imagine if people were FORCED to choose tank nb or stealth NB they would be very angry.
And before ppl say create 2 characters think that some players(large number) and possible new players may not be up for that.
There are alternatives to Dark Cloak, dont go down that path.

And before people say that NB will become OP by having a healing skill(magika cost) and invisibility(magika cost) think of skill slots, costs, rotations.
Or just find other ways to balance the class.



PS. Nerf incap.
Remove Defile or Remove Stun.
Or remove both. Why? A stamNB with unstoppable potion will kill you after using this ulty. And if they dont it will be ready for reuse before Immobility is over. They will gap close on you, you cant heal(defile) and they have boosted dmg due to incap effect. And because of the initial dmg of incap you are alrdy close to execution range.
How many rolldodge can you do before incap is rdy for reuse?

Edited by GeorgeBlack on April 20, 2018 6:06AM
  • CurlyQTip
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    I mean, cloaks are honestly a bit useless for a tank

    and you still have potions if you need it that badly

    the minor protection version seems literally worthless no less, since, anyone whose looking for survivability would pick a vastly more powerful shield/ward

    At the same time, healthy offering and then a tank morph would be perfect. I don't even know why anyone would use the weaker morph for that.
    Edited by CurlyQTip on April 20, 2018 6:23AM
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  • Qbiken
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    If you want invisibility pick the other morph. It´s really that simple. For a tank in PvE minor protection is a "bad" buff.

    To quote you in your other thread about the exact same topic:
    You dont like it? Find another skill.
    Edited by Qbiken on April 20, 2018 6:24AM
  • ArchMikem
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    A NB that is both tanky and spams cloak? What kind of OP world would that be.
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  • CurlyQTip
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    ArchMikem wrote: »
    A NB that is both tanky and spams cloak? What kind of OP world would that be.

    Hahaa damn it took ten minutes to kill this guy but look h

    oh he's gone nvm we got ZENIMAXXED AGAIN LADS
    Edited by CurlyQTip on April 20, 2018 6:24AM
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  • GeorgeBlack
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    CurlyQTip wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    A NB that is both tanky and spams cloak? What kind of OP world would that be.

    Hahaa damn it took ten minutes to kill this guy but look h

    oh he's gone nvm we got ZENIMAXXED AGAIN LADS

    I dont have a NB character [snip].

    [Edited to remove bait/flame]
    Edited by ZOS_KatP on April 20, 2018 1:08PM
  • CurlyQTip
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    GeorgeBlack wrote: »
    CurlyQTip wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    A NB that is both tanky and spams cloak? What kind of OP world would that be.

    Hahaa damn it took ten minutes to kill this guy but look h

    oh he's gone nvm we got ZENIMAXXED AGAIN LADS

    I dont have a NB character [snip].

    I'm confused, it was a joke on how OP that might be

    Why not present a counter argument instead? It would be pretty crazy for a tanky build to have both a hp scaling heal and cloak after all. Being able to take huge damage and then vanish, recover quickly, not good.

    That isn't to say you can't already do this regardless or that that would be the new meta of course, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the game

    [Edited for quote]
    Edited by ZOS_KatP on April 20, 2018 1:09PM
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  • GeorgeBlack
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    CurlyQTip wrote: »
    GeorgeBlack wrote: »
    CurlyQTip wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    A NB that is both tanky and spams cloak? What kind of OP world would that be.

    Hahaa damn it took ten minutes to kill this guy but look h

    oh he's gone nvm we got ZENIMAXXED AGAIN LADS

    I dont have a NB character [snip].

    I'm confused, it was a joke on how OP that might be

    Why not present a counter argument instead? It would be pretty crazy for a tanky build to have both a hp scaling heal and cloak after all. Being able to take huge damage and then vanish, recover quickly, not good.

    That isn't to say you can't already do this regardless or that that would be the new meta of course, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the game

    You are biased. What more is there to discuss?

    MagNB has shields and cloak. And resto staff.
    StamNB cannot afford magika heal and cloak and terror and shadows. They have high ticking vigor btw...... .....

    [Edited for quote]
    Edited by ZOS_KatP on April 20, 2018 1:09PM
  • TarrNokk
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    GeorgeBlack wrote: »

    PS. Nerf incap.
    Remove Defile or Remove Stun.
    Or remove both. Why? A stamNB with unstoppable potion will kill you after using this ulty. And if they dont it will be ready for reuse before Immobility is over. They will gap close on you, you cant heal(defile) and they have boosted dmg due to incap effect. And because of the initial dmg of incap you are alrdy close to execution range.
    How many rolldodge can you do before incap is rdy for reuse?

    Please! Stop that!
  • GeorgeBlack
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    TarrNokk wrote: »
    GeorgeBlack wrote: »

    PS. Nerf incap.
    Remove Defile or Remove Stun.
    Or remove both. Why? A stamNB with unstoppable potion will kill you after using this ulty. And if they dont it will be ready for reuse before Immobility is over. They will gap close on you, you cant heal(defile) and they have boosted dmg due to incap effect. And because of the initial dmg of incap you are alrdy close to execution range.
    How many rolldodge can you do before incap is rdy for reuse?

    Please! Stop that!

    It would be too good to be true.
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    GeorgeBlack wrote: »
    You are biased. What more is there to discuss?

    I posted a really good alternative skill that would work, and admitted that it wouldn't be that wildly OP to have a cloak and tank heal.

    But whats the point in defending someone who needs people to be totally and completely in agreement? lol
    Edited by CurlyQTip on April 20, 2018 6:45AM
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  • GeorgeBlack
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    CurlyQTip wrote: »
    GeorgeBlack wrote: »
    You are biased. What more is there to discuss?

    You could have very easily convinced me of your point, but what's the point in defending someone that doesn't accept it when people aren't totally and completely on their side?

    I even posted a really good alternative skill that would work, and admitted that it wouldn't be that wildly OP to have a cloak and tank heal.

    So we agree?
  • Gilvoth
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    GeorgeBlack wrote: »


    PS. Nerf incap.
    Remove Defile or Remove Stun.



    another nerf nightblade skills and ultimate thread.
    you guys keep making these threads with different wording and constantly asking for nerfs is getting really old.
    please stop making these types of threads asking for nightblade nerfs and disguising them as other types of threads by the wording in the titles.

    i hope the developers, the forum moderators, and the eso community will see that is what you guys are doing.
    see here other threads he's made asking same thing. him and his friends keep doing this and spamming these.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/407316/nerf-stamnb-thread#latest

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/408115/dark-cloak-and-nb-tanking#latest

    please stop making these kind of threads.


    Edited by Gilvoth on April 20, 2018 7:12AM
  • TarrNokk
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    TarrNokk wrote: »

    Please! Stop that!

    ...!
  • CurlyQTip
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    dwemer_paleologist wrote: »
    another nerf nightblade skills and ultimate thread.
    At least when it comes to cloaking, he's asking for versatility in the classes skills, rather than a nerf, so it's not really strictly a nerf thread.

    It is a shame this forum seems to lack consistent 'mega' threads regarding topics. So many scattershot topics tbh.
    Edited by CurlyQTip on April 20, 2018 7:32AM
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