Nerf stamNB thread

Bbsample197

eh the only thing i could kill easily on cyro and BGs are exposed stamNB, and im a templar for crying out loud, they are easier prey compared to magNB

Karmanorway

Pls stop the nerf threads, its just breaking the game.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

StamNB beats light armor templar
Tanky Stamsorc beats stamnb
StamNB beats light armour DK
Stamward beats stamnb

Weird, I kill stam NBs on my light armor templar and light armor DK all the time with little to no problems. Stam NB really is nothing without incap's stun and defile. When have you seriously been finished by a stam NB that didn't use that ultimate? I can't remember, and even then it's down to luck (dying because of sliding on the ground bug). If they nefed incap, stam NB would be nothing in PvP, evidenced by the fact if you stop their incap they simply run or die.

Anyone who needs and ult to kill someone is bad

Tell that to DragonKnights, they do that all the time..

Bigevilpeter

It was for 50 ultimate before it was nerfed already

Violynne

Voxicity wrote: »

Since they don't, I must disagree with you and inform you that the balance in this game works like rock paper scissors

I completely agree, but the problem: people get upset it doesn't.

What some people want is:
Rock beats paper and scissors
Scissors beats paper and rock
Paper beats rock and scissors

It's ridiculous to see people constantly complaining about balance, without understanding R/P/S *is* balance.

Know thy enemy, but treadeth light for thoust day may turn ill.

Thogard

Beardimus wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Remove stun/define from Incap.
Ganging can continue without them.
Hide and atk can continue without them
Will stamNB become weak?
Lets get there first and then we buff other tools.

Incap is the most insane skill in PvP. Here's why:
Small cost makes it spammable.
Cc leaves target and a disadvantage.
Strong dmg brings me to execution range, and NB has the tools.
Dmg bonus/gap closer leaves no means to recover from gang
Defile.
And guess what? The ulty is up again.

If you are an assassin you need to finish the job with:
Ambush-CC
Ulty- bring my HP low and get rdy to strike hard
Use immovable and keep going. You have a gap closer. I cannot CC you.
Execute me.
Now if you cant kill me like that run away and try again.
The way it is now it is ridiculous and you know it.
"Why bother with CC when my ulty can do that. Why slot/use defile when my ulty can do that..."
Spam spam spam.

Never in a game has I seen assassins so relentless. They either KO non tank/warriors, or jump in a target engaged in combat with an ally, and finish them off.
Eso?
Spam incap. Execute gap closer execute
Spam incap. Execute gap closer execute

Having said all that, I find that I kill most stamNBs in my encounters. But when I see known names I know thay I will be looking at the respawn map in no time. And they all kill me before I see them. That's what real stamNB is. And I know the good ones will still be able to kill anybody that isnt meant to take on DMG.

Yikes we agree on something else.

Buff DW and Nerf StamNB

what I'm not sure is what they changes were that made them so OP. And they genuinely are. Even the StamNB admit it.

I'm all for the ninja class. But when most of cyro has switched and duels have gone one sided. And players who cant duel switch and have the same I win combo its getting silly.

At least double incap cost

Check the data ZOS. Check its use. Check dueling stats. Data don't lie

The data definitely lies.

Never has there been a class that bad players flock to like the current iteration of nightblade.

The defensive mechanic of vanish is too easy to use, and the offense of Incap is also too easy to use.

We can’t balance on how nightblades do versus other classes because the average player skill of nightblades is so far below the average of every other class that the data would be skewed. These NBs have been crutching on vanish and incap for so long they’ve never had to learn how to kite or how to time their burst combos properly.

We must balance NBs based on how well the same players do on other classes.

And due to the extreme overpopulation of NBs, it’s safe to say that all those bad players do terrible on other classes.

JobooAGS

Beardimus wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Remove stun/define from Incap.
Ganging can continue without them.
Hide and atk can continue without them
Will stamNB become weak?
Lets get there first and then we buff other tools.

Incap is the most insane skill in PvP. Here's why:
Small cost makes it spammable.
Cc leaves target and a disadvantage.
Strong dmg brings me to execution range, and NB has the tools.
Dmg bonus/gap closer leaves no means to recover from gang
Defile.
And guess what? The ulty is up again.

If you are an assassin you need to finish the job with:
Ambush-CC
Ulty- bring my HP low and get rdy to strike hard
Use immovable and keep going. You have a gap closer. I cannot CC you.
Execute me.
Now if you cant kill me like that run away and try again.
The way it is now it is ridiculous and you know it.
"Why bother with CC when my ulty can do that. Why slot/use defile when my ulty can do that..."
Spam spam spam.

Never in a game has I seen assassins so relentless. They either KO non tank/warriors, or jump in a target engaged in combat with an ally, and finish them off.
Eso?
Spam incap. Execute gap closer execute
Spam incap. Execute gap closer execute

Having said all that, I find that I kill most stamNBs in my encounters. But when I see known names I know thay I will be looking at the respawn map in no time. And they all kill me before I see them. That's what real stamNB is. And I know the good ones will still be able to kill anybody that isnt meant to take on DMG.

Yikes we agree on something else.

Buff DW and Nerf StamNB

what I'm not sure is what they changes were that made them so OP. And they genuinely are. Even the StamNB admit it.

I'm all for the ninja class. But when most of cyro has switched and duels have gone one sided. And players who cant duel switch and have the same I win combo its getting silly.

At least double incap cost

Check the data ZOS. Check its use. Check dueling stats. Data don't lie

Increasing the cost is not the way to go as you will kill pve nightblade. The stun or defile is where you should focus your nerf hammer