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Sting864✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »kypranb14_ESO wrote: »I I I I'm I . I
I IDGAF about anyone else until I = I I my time.
SAD.... MMO's are WE games, not I games.... If you wanna rush, please just go play with yourself or tell me how your time is more precious than mine....
It seems to me that you are included in that "WE game."
I'm going to move at the speed of the **group,**
So if I'm included in this "WE" separating is not moving at the speed of the group is it??
If you are hanging back, I'll do my best to wait for you. Since I'm probably the tank or the healer, that's got some weight.
But if you are perpetually behind with no given reason, I'm going to be rather annoyed at you.
Except I GAVE a reason... that's what this discussion is about, isn't it.... Consuming the superlative content that ZOS works so hard to provide IS a given reason.... Do you need a separate notification?? Why isn't a deliberate, explorative pace the baseline? If people want to rush, THAT should be the exception... Which I would be glad to accommodate if "rushins" SPEAK UP!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »kypranb14_ESO wrote: »I I I I'm I . I
I IDGAF about anyone else until I = I I my time.
SAD.... MMO's are WE games, not I games.... If you wanna rush, please just go play with yourself or tell me how your time is more precious than mine....
It seems to me that you are included in that "WE game."
I'm going to move at the speed of the **group,**
So if I'm included in this "WE" separating is not moving at the speed of the group is it??
If you are hanging back, I'll do my best to wait for you. Since I'm probably the tank or the healer, that's got some weight.
But if you are perpetually behind with no given reason, I'm going to be rather annoyed at you.
Except I GAVE a reason... that's what this discussion is about, isn't it.... Consuming the superlative content that ZOS works so hard to provide IS a given reason.... Do you need a separate notification?? Why isn't a deliberate, explorative pace the baseline? If people want to rush, THAT should be the exception... Which I would be glad to accommodate if "rushins" SPEAK UP!
I think it's important to state how slow you're actually going. Are you killing the mobs then moving onto the next batch, possibly a bit slower than the rest of the group or are you looking at the fabulous stonework in a section of a wall for 5 minutes? When you say you're going slower than the rest of the group, what is the pace? Few people will wait on someone that is doing nothing but looking at aesthetic dungeon features for extended periods of time.Edited by redspecter23 on April 16, 2018 6:52PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »kypranb14_ESO wrote: »I I I I'm I . I
I IDGAF about anyone else until I = I I my time.
SAD.... MMO's are WE games, not I games.... If you wanna rush, please just go play with yourself or tell me how your time is more precious than mine....
It seems to me that you are included in that "WE game."
I'm going to move at the speed of the **group,**
So if I'm included in this "WE" separating is not moving at the speed of the group is it??
If you are hanging back, I'll do my best to wait for you. Since I'm probably the tank or the healer, that's got some weight.
But if you are perpetually behind with no given reason, I'm going to be rather annoyed at you.
Except I GAVE a reason... that's what this discussion is about, isn't it.... Consuming the superlative content that ZOS works so hard to provide IS a given reason.... Do you need a separate notification?? Why isn't a deliberate, explorative pace the baseline? If people want to rush, THAT should be the exception... Which I would be glad to accommodate if "rushins" SPEAK UP!
If you are hanging back dramatically in a dungeon or going at a much slower pace, I'd like a reason given in chat or I'm going to be a little annoyed.
This "slow/deliberately explorative should be the default speed" is not remotely true of the vast majority of dungeon runs I've been in unless someone needed the quest.2 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »This "slow/deliberately explorative should be the default speed" is not remotely true of the vast majority of dungeon runs I've been in unless someone needed the quest.
Just because "everybody thinks that way..." doesn't make it right....0 -
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✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »This "slow/deliberately explorative should be the default speed" is not remotely true of the vast majority of dungeon runs I've been in unless someone needed the quest.
Just because "everybody thinks that way..." doesn't make it right....
You don't seem to understand though, there is no right or wrong here. You want to play your way, other people want to play theirs, and you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that you're trying to make people play the game they bought, the way you want them to.
Who are you to tell someone they have to play according to your preference?
If you have an issue with how a group is running, but they don't have an issue with you, the burden is on you to alleviate that issue. You can either get over it, learn to enjoy it, learn to accept it, or leave the group.
If you instead opt to deride your party ingame, on the forums, be a sour sport, or try to kick/remove other people for your own issue, then you're contributing to the toxicity that has overwhelmed this community.Edited by Judas Helviaryn on April 16, 2018 8:58PM2 -
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This event is kind of an exception many run lots of random normal dungeons using lots of higher cp alts while using scroll or potions to grind cp. Did the same during new life event for the push to cp690.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »This "slow/deliberately explorative should be the default speed" is not remotely true of the vast majority of dungeon runs I've been in unless someone needed the quest.
Just because "everybody thinks that way..." doesn't make it right....
You don't seem to understand though, there is no right or wrong here. You want to play your way, other people want to play theirs, and you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that you're trying to make people play the game they bought, the way you want them to.
Who are you to tell someone they have to play according to your preference?
If you have an issue with how a group is running, but they don't have an issue with you, the burden is on you to alleviate that issue. You can either get over it, learn to enjoy it, learn to accept it, or leave the group.
If you instead opt to deride your party ingame, on the forums, be a sour sport, or try to kick/remove other people for your own issue, then you're contributing to the toxicity that has overwhelmed this community.
You can also drop quest if things go to fast many share quest but if they skip it you do not get the dialogue, drop it, you will do this dungeon many more times, you will be sick of it
Did on fang lair and Scalecaller Peak first run as groups fell apart in normal so you ended up in the middle of dungeon.
Got quest with an guild run where we went slow.
Other loot every container, this i find a bit annoying but accept it if decent group.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
You don't seem to understand though, there is no right or wrong here. You want to play your way, other people want to play theirs, and you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that you're trying to make people play the game they bought, the way you want them to.
Who are you to tell someone they have to play according to your preference?
If you have an issue with how a group is running, but they don't have an issue with you, the burden is on you to alleviate that issue. You can either get over it, learn to enjoy it, learn to accept it, or leave the group.
If you instead opt to deride your party ingame, on the forums, be a sour sport, or try to kick/remove other people for your own issue, then you're contributing to the toxicity that has overwhelmed this community.
You don't seem to understand though, there is no right or wrong to play agreed... However there is a right and wrong way to be.... As I said in the very beginning... I am all too happy to rush through, unfortunately; my machine tends to crash if I go too fast in ESO... This is a unique trait to ESO; which is good, in a way... because rushing tends to be selfish, as I have stated....0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »If you have an issue with how a group is running, but they don't have an issue with you, the burden is on you to alleviate that issue. You can either get over it, learn to enjoy it, learn to accept it, or leave the group.
You don't really mean that do you?? If you have an issue with a group of thugs *** you, the burden is on you to alleviate that issue. You can either get over it, learn to enjoy it, learn to accept it??
Bottom line: Play how you want... just SAY something if you want to rush through....0 -
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✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »If you have an issue with how a group is running, but they don't have an issue with you, the burden is on you to alleviate that issue. You can either get over it, learn to enjoy it, learn to accept it, or leave the group.
You don't really mean that do you?? If you have an issue with a group of thugs *** you, the burden is on you to alleviate that issue. You can either get over it, learn to enjoy it, learn to accept it??
Bottom line: Play how you want... just SAY something if you want to rush through....
Go ahead and explain to me what a group of thugs and a random PUG have in common.
You're just going way off the deep end over something minor.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArsonMurderAndJaywalking
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Sting864✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Go ahead and explain to me what a group of thugs and a random PUG have in common.
You're just going way off the deep end over something minor.
Both are a group of strangers.... Both have members not of your choosing... Both care about what they want, not what everybody wants... both probably get done fast...lolEdited by Sting864 on April 16, 2018 10:19PM0 -
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✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Go ahead and explain to me what a group of thugs and a random PUG have in common.
You're just going way off the deep end over something minor.
Both are a group of strangers.... Both have members not of your choosing... Both care about what they want, not what everybody wants... both probably get done fast...lol
Good! Now..
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Sting864✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Both are a group of strangers.... Both have members not of your choosing... Both care about what they want, not what everybody wants... both probably get done fast...lol
Good! Now..
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Except did you read what I said???
It isn't the right way because it's MY way...
It's MY way because it's RIGHT
Fun Fact... "Stripes" was filmed in my hometown...
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Sting864✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »
But how do you know it's right?
I don't think the forum is the place to discuss ethics...0 -
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✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Both are a group of strangers.... Both have members not of your choosing... Both care about what they want, not what everybody wants... both probably get done fast...lol
Good! Now..Except did you read what I said???
It isn't the right way because it's MY way...
It's MY way because it's RIGHT
Look, considering your post history, and the previous threads from 2015 that were locked? Do you really think this is going to turn out any different?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/228044/wheres-the-fire/p1 - Locked
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/229739/pro-tip/p1 - Locked
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230094/what-is-so-hard#latest - Locked
Your track record isn't exactly stellar when it comes to behaving like the adult you profess to be in this thread. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230557/what-is-the-age-of-forum-participants/p1
You listed yourself as 51-60 years old. It blows me away that someone your age can't seem to man up and get along.
Guess where this thread is headed as well?Edited by Judas Helviaryn on April 16, 2018 10:39PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »
But how do you know it's right?
I don't think the forum is the place to discuss ethics...
The point is, If right is subjective at all and varies from person to person then you are forced to admit that you are right from your point of view but not in every case. You can be right (for you) but be wrong to another person. Both sides are right from their perspective while both sides would feel that the other is wrong.1 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Both are a group of strangers.... Both have members not of your choosing... Both care about what they want, not what everybody wants... both probably get done fast...lol
Good! Now..Except did you read what I said???
It isn't the right way because it's MY way...
It's MY way because it's RIGHT
Look, considering your post history, and the previous threads from 2015 that were locked? Do you really think this is going to turn out any different?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/228044/wheres-the-fire/p1 - Locked
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/229739/pro-tip/p1 - Locked
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230094/what-is-so-hard#latest - Locked
Your track record isn't exactly stellar when it comes to behaving like the adult you profess to be in this thread. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230557/what-is-the-age-of-forum-participants/p1
You listed yourself as 51-60 years old. It blows me away that someone your age can't seem to man up and get along.
Guess where this thread is headed as well?
I'm sure I don't see any relevance to the current topic....0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »
But how do you know it's right?
I don't think the forum is the place to discuss ethics...
The point is, If right is subjective at all and varies from person to person then you are forced to admit that you are right from your point of view but not in every case. You can be right (for you) but be wrong to another person. Both sides are right from their perspective while both sides would feel that the other is wrong.
Fine... play how you want.... just SAY SOMETHING...
RIGHT is NOT subjective... there may be extenuating circumstances for rushing... but that doesn't make it right....
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✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Both are a group of strangers.... Both have members not of your choosing... Both care about what they want, not what everybody wants... both probably get done fast...lol
Good! Now..Except did you read what I said???
It isn't the right way because it's MY way...
It's MY way because it's RIGHT
Look, considering your post history, and the previous threads from 2015 that were locked? Do you really think this is going to turn out any different?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/228044/wheres-the-fire/p1 - Locked
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/229739/pro-tip/p1 - Locked
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230094/what-is-so-hard#latest - Locked
Your track record isn't exactly stellar when it comes to behaving like the adult you profess to be in this thread. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230557/what-is-the-age-of-forum-participants/p1
You listed yourself as 51-60 years old. It blows me away that someone your age can't seem to man up and get along.
Guess where this thread is headed as well?
I'm sure I don't see any relevance to the current topic....
The relevance being every single one of those threads, save the last, was complaining about how other players play their game. Two of those could be clones to this thread, considering the topic.
It didn't work before, what makes you think it'll work now? Do you ever stop to think, oh, maybe you might be wrong to expect people to cater to your own social neuroses?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »
But how do you know it's right?
I don't think the forum is the place to discuss ethics...
The point is, If right is subjective at all and varies from person to person then you are forced to admit that you are right from your point of view but not in every case. You can be right (for you) but be wrong to another person. Both sides are right from their perspective while both sides would feel that the other is wrong.
Fine... play how you want.... just SAY SOMETHING...
RIGHT is NOT subjective... there may be extenuating circumstances for rushing... but that doesn't make it right....
We'll have to agree to disagree. I believe that there can be different definitions of what is right and wrong and that it will vary from person to person. You might even find that something you believe is right is actually considered wrong by a vast majority. If 99 out of 100 people consider something wrong but you consider it right, what is it?0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
The relevance being every single one of those threads, save the last, was complaining about how other players play their game. Two of those could be clones to this thread, considering the topic.
It didn't work before, what makes you think it'll work now? Do you ever stop to think, oh, maybe you might be wrong to expect people to cater to your own social neuroses?
Whatever... If your playstyle is that amoral.... you probably should not play a multiplayer game....0 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭kypranb14_ESO wrote: »I I I I'm I . I
I IDGAF about anyone else until I = I I my time.
SAD.... MMO's are WE games, not I games.... If you wanna rush, please just go play with yourself or tell me how your time is more precious than mine....
My time is more precious to me, and you yours. I speed through dungeons only to make things more efficient ocasionaly that happens to be with one pug member from the lfg tool. Sadly tho I've never had one person ever request we slow down kindly it's always been a rude comment follwed by them either attempting to kick someone or leaving group. Generally ppl will slow down if asked but I won't until that point. I've had far more ppl complements me for an efficient and quick run then ask for slow drown out run.2 -
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✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
The relevance being every single one of those threads, save the last, was complaining about how other players play their game. Two of those could be clones to this thread, considering the topic.
It didn't work before, what makes you think it'll work now? Do you ever stop to think, oh, maybe you might be wrong to expect people to cater to your own social neuroses?
Whatever... If your playstyle is that amoral.... you probably should not play a multiplayer game....
And yet I am. As is everyone else, and that's the one thing you have to learn to accept. People are going to play the game, regardless of your disapproval or needs. Whether someone should or should not do something is not your call to make, unless you want to sit here and explain to us why you deserve to sit in judgement of all others without having a single stone cast your way.
You'll be much happier if you just learn those same survival skills everybody else learns in primary school.
Let it slide right off your shoulders.Edited by Judas Helviaryn on April 16, 2018 10:54PM1 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »You'll be much happier if you just learn those same survival skills everybody else learns in primary school.
Let it slide right off your shoulders.
Sorry... I got taught in primary school to be considerate of other people, not just look out for myself... I figured I could satisfy all those who say 'say something, and I'll slow down...' by saying something on the Forum, rather than pointing it out one PUG at a time...0 -
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✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »You'll be much happier if you just learn those same survival skills everybody else learns in primary school.
Let it slide right off your shoulders.
Sorry... I got taught in primary school to be considerate of other people, not just look out for myself... I figured I could satisfy all those who say 'say something, and I'll slow down...' by saying something on the Forum, rather than pointing it out one PUG at a time...
I learned to be fair to people, rather than considerate. It's a bit different.
The issue with posting stuff like this on the forum, is that a good size of the playerbase doesn't even browse it, much less have an account active.
People are awesome, and people suck. Gotta take it all in, and look out for yourself. And don't expect anybody else to do anything different.1 -
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If 99 out of 100 people consider 2+2=5 they're still wrong....redspecter23 wrote: »If 99 out of 100 people consider something wrong but you consider it right, what is it?
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If 99 out of 100 people consider 2+2=5 they're still wrong....redspecter23 wrote: »If 99 out of 100 people consider something wrong but you consider it right, what is it?
Agreed, but 2+2 has a quantifiable answer. It has an undeniable correct response. Your thread isn't talking about something quantifiable. You're talking about the pace at which any given player will run through a dungeon which is quite variable from person to person. If 99% of the player population will run a dungeon faster than you, then who is running it the "right" way?Edited by redspecter23 on April 16, 2018 11:09PM1 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »People are awesome, and people suck. Gotta take it all in, and look out for yourself. And don't expect anybody else to do anything different.
Luckily, I can look out for myself AND OTHERS... I guess "rushins" can't... Just tryin' to cover all my bases... To paraphrase Bill Murray, "Screw 'em if they wanna be richards..."0 -
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✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »People are awesome, and people suck. Gotta take it all in, and look out for yourself. And don't expect anybody else to do anything different.
Luckily, I can look out for myself AND OTHERS... I guess "rushins" can't... Just tryin' to cover all my bases... To paraphrase Bill Murray, "Screw 'em if they wanna be richards..."
Then you will continue to be one of the many toxic players plaguing this game.
Color me surprised.0
