ZOS Please consider fixing female armour styles!

enjoyingcoma9

This was raised a few years ago and looks like it closed off with no real action - with the outfit system now in place it is painfully obvious that a number of the fabulous motifs (including worm cult! So so sad) are just not morphed properly to female characters. Honestly, it looks like the entire torso is a shapeless balloon. Please remorph (no change to the style) to allow female characters to utilise all motifs without looking like bizarre gas filled weirdos.

Specially these are the most problematic:

Bad
Aldmeri (completely flat)
Daggerfall
Ebonheart
Hlaalu
Ra gada

Not great
Abahs watch
Ashlander
Order of the hour
Worm cult

enjoyingcoma9

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257543/important-update-zos-please-reconsider-your-decision-to-no-longer-make-female-light-armor/p1 - Previous closed discussion

Jade1986

enjoyingcoma9 wrote: »

This was raised a few years ago and looks like it closed off with no real action - with the outfit system now in place it is painfully obvious that a number of the fabulous motifs (including worm cult! So so sad) are just not morphed properly to female characters. Honestly, it looks like the entire torso is a shapeless balloon. Please remorph (no change to the style) to allow female characters to utilise all motifs without looking like bizarre gas filled weirdos.

Specially these are the most problematic:

Bad
Aldmeri (completely flat)
Daggerfall
Ebonheart
Hlaalu
Ra gada

Not great
Abahs watch
Ashlander
Order of the hour
Worm cult

I noticed this too. I really wanted to use the aldmeri one, but it looked so pathetically awful i had to switch it out for the glass chest piece. Its not just light armor, its all classes of armor in a lot of cases.

Danikat

I agree. A lot of them look too big for the character wearing them, like they're billowing out around the chest. (Which is odd when they're meant to be made of metal or leather and not cloth.)

platonicidealgirlfriend

tbh i like having armor sets that actually fit like armor instead of like spandex. I don't need my character's breasts saran-wrapped in steel plate

Tasear

Some crown store outfits do it too. It's quite disappointing. Some of these bloat the character to about 2 or 3 times their size. It's not proper fitting amour.

P.S
It doesn't do this with sets in the these styles.

Bbsample197

platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »

tbh i like having armor sets that actually fit like armor instead of like spandex. I don't need my character's breasts saran-wrapped in steel plate

its not about that point, have you seen some of the armors that really feels like you are wearing an extra large Shirt some of them doesnt feel right either it feels like they just staple the armor for females and forgets about it, imo the last armor style that suits both my female and male character is probably the apostle style

NewBlacksmurf

They changed development so I’m not sure it’s broken or needing a fix.

Perhaps ask that they redo all models with a character update under new development

enjoyingcoma9

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

They changed development so I’m not sure it’s broken or needing a fix.

They fixed quite a few, like Malacath, last time this was brought up in 2016 after Gina advised that the warped appearance was not intended, but have never made any improvements to sone styles (e.g. daggerfall), and its just so disapointing to see the newest worm cult motif is also warped.

The motifs shouldn't look like glad wrapping over breasts, but should not inflate the torso, make the breasts pointy or one lump, or flatten them out of existence. The motifs, particually for light armour, should mimic how fabrics behave.

Saphayla

enjoyingcoma9 wrote: »

Specially these are the most problematic:

Bad
Aldmeri (completely flat)

Excuse me?
Heavy sucks, I agree. But Light is nice, and Medium is absolutely gorgeous. I love the way it looks on my lady. I like the way Light looks because it has a battlemage look, with armor plates over robes.

If we're talking about armor that's too big, I'm surprised noone mentioned Heavy Skinchanger. That thing looks like 50 kg of pure metal

enjoyingcoma9

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom any info on this issue? Or update on why the allegiance motifs were never fixed?

RANKK7

They yet have to fix the argonian costume for sale, the "Four Fabric", doomed with legs distortion... fantastic QA, really.
No hope they will improve motives styles but I surely would like that.

ekmcb

Please get on this ZOS it's been really sad and ugly for far too long. Thank you for bringing this back up, OP.

Sevn

platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »

tbh i like having armor sets that actually fit like armor instead of like spandex. I don't need my character's breasts saran-wrapped in steel plate

I'm certain the majority of players are talking non steel armor. In what world does cloth NOT fit to form? Leather? Armor is more than just a steel plated suit.

There is nothing sexualized about having armor that fits the female form properly. You didn't explicitly state that, but it is definitely implied with that spandex comment.

How is armor fitted to the female form a bad thing? No one is asking for skin to be showing or for breasts to be popping out, just simply asking for cloth and leather armor to behave like cloth and leather should.

Ragnarock41

While at it they can also fix the awful looking tabards.

HoloYoitsu

Maybe they're just hoping ppl give up and buy gender + name change.

Recremen

I think it's important to make the distinction between the three things we've seen : weirdly-bulky, metal spandex, and proper armor. I can't recall "proper armor" off the top of my head because I don't play female characters and don't really look for this, but I think we can all agree that something like Abah's Watch or Ra Gada are all a little too bulky, while something like Dunmer or Breton heavy is a little too on the spandexy side.

Unfortunately I really don't know enough about armor construction or that sort of thing to know how to deal with the problem. How do you translate this sort of thing into the game using the game's engine? I don't know anything about how the game deals with body scaling or anything of that nature.



Like that's obviously not overly-bulky, somehow, and it doesn't have that spandex thing going on. How do??

Azphira

Some more outfits that wouldn't make a Puritan call you a prude would be nice too.

myskyrim26

I agree. Male versions of nearly every motif are much better than female.

Sevn

Recremen wrote: »

I think it's important to make the distinction between the three things we've seen : weirdly-bulky, metal spandex, and proper armor. I can't recall "proper armor" off the top of my head because I don't play female characters and don't really look for this, but I think we can all agree that something like Abah's Watch or Ra Gada are all a little too bulky, while something like Dunmer or Breton heavy is a little too on the spandexy side.

Unfortunately I really don't know enough about armor construction or that sort of thing to know how to deal with the problem. How do you translate this sort of thing into the game using the game's engine? I don't know anything about how the game deals with body scaling or anything of that nature.



Like that's obviously not overly-bulky, somehow, and it doesn't have that spandex thing going on. How do??

That's a great look for metal armor! Nothing sexualized or revealing in any way. That's what is being asked for here, armor that fits properly, not looking like a xenomorph is trying to bust outta your chest lol.

Jhalin

Sevn wrote: »

platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »

tbh i like having armor sets that actually fit like armor instead of like spandex. I don't need my character's breasts saran-wrapped in steel plate

I'm certain the majority of players are talking non steel armor. In what world does cloth NOT fit to form? Leather? Armor is more than just a steel plated suit.

There is nothing sexualized about having armor that fits the female form properly. You didn't explicitly state that, but it is definitely implied with that spandex comment.

How is armor fitted to the female form a bad thing? No one is asking for skin to be showing or for breasts to be popping out, just simply asking for cloth and leather armor to behave like cloth and leather should.

Cloth doesn’t fit to breasts unless a lady’s got a two sizes too small shirt on :v

That being said a lot of the armor styles being mentioned are still made primarily of metal, going by the textures used, so they wouldn’t fit like spandex cloth anyway. Most just need to fit less like barrels than they currently do, the designs themsleves are fairly nice.

Skua

I get what you're saying. A lot of the ones mentioned look amazing on my flat chested female characters (I like to make androgynous ones so the slider is all the way down) it just scales really weirdly with the large chested characters and looks unnatural.

fred4

I think Ebonheart Pact heavy armor looks good on females. Agree about other styles.

That said, my female characters only have the chest slider from all the way down to 3 notches above.

Sevn

Jhalin wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »

tbh i like having armor sets that actually fit like armor instead of like spandex. I don't need my character's breasts saran-wrapped in steel plate

I'm certain the majority of players are talking non steel armor. In what world does cloth NOT fit to form? Leather? Armor is more than just a steel plated suit.

There is nothing sexualized about having armor that fits the female form properly. You didn't explicitly state that, but it is definitely implied with that spandex comment.

How is armor fitted to the female form a bad thing? No one is asking for skin to be showing or for breasts to be popping out, just simply asking for cloth and leather armor to behave like cloth and leather should.

Cloth doesn’t fit to breasts unless a lady’s got a two sizes too small shirt on :v

That being said a lot of the armor styles being mentioned are still made primarily of metal, going by the textures used, so they wouldn’t fit like spandex cloth anyway. Most just need to fit less like barrels than they currently do, the designs themsleves are fairly nice.

Fitting the female form does not equal tightly hugging female breasts.

Everyday in LA I see females wearing fitted cotton tshirts that are not two sizes too small and don't look like they are wearing a barrel.

enjoyingcoma9

It'd be awesome to get a response from zos on this one - appreciate everyone's probably busy with summerset.

Vizier

Never noticed....shrug.

Guarlet

platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »

tbh i like having armor sets that actually fit like armor instead of like spandex. I don't need my character's breasts saran-wrapped in steel plate

Agreed 100%.

I only play female characters and I have never noticed an issue.

Shrug.

platonicidealgirlfriend

Sevn wrote: »

platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »

tbh i like having armor sets that actually fit like armor instead of like spandex. I don't need my character's breasts saran-wrapped in steel plate

I'm certain the majority of players are talking non steel armor. In what world does cloth NOT fit to form? Leather? Armor is more than just a steel plated suit.

There is nothing sexualized about having armor that fits the female form properly. You didn't explicitly state that, but it is definitely implied with that spandex comment.

How is armor fitted to the female form a bad thing? No one is asking for skin to be showing or for breasts to be popping out, just simply asking for cloth and leather armor to behave like cloth and leather should.

real question: do you have a pair of breasts and have you ever worn a leather jacket over them? cuz in my experience, each one of my nice leather jackets flattens me a bit even when they're very well tailored.

have this random pap shot of TS to illustrate my point.

Maryal

There are several armor styles (already mentioned by others) that the chest piece makes my female toon look ... well... gross.

Wearing those chest pieces makes it look like I took a cut-out of the chest piece as worn by a beefy 250 lb. male weight lifter and pasted it on my slender 95 lb female toon. The end result looks like a gross deformity. Please fix this problem ... pretty please with a sweet roll on top!

P.S. The skin changer chest piece (as worn by my female toon) has the breast area buldge for females sitting unnaturally low ... and I mean very unnaturally low. That also needs to be adjusted.

Sevn

platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »

tbh i like having armor sets that actually fit like armor instead of like spandex. I don't need my character's breasts saran-wrapped in steel plate

I'm certain the majority of players are talking non steel armor. In what world does cloth NOT fit to form? Leather? Armor is more than just a steel plated suit.

There is nothing sexualized about having armor that fits the female form properly. You didn't explicitly state that, but it is definitely implied with that spandex comment.

How is armor fitted to the female form a bad thing? No one is asking for skin to be showing or for breasts to be popping out, just simply asking for cloth and leather armor to behave like cloth and leather should.

real question: do you have a pair of breasts and have you ever worn a leather jacket over them? cuz in my experience, each one of my nice leather jackets flattens me a bit even when they're very well tailored.

have this random pap shot of TS to illustrate my point.

Keyword, flatten. Lovely jacket, doesn't look like you are wearing a barrel in any way, unlike the light armor of ragada which doesn't flatten but balloon outward. Cloth/leather shouldn't balloon the chest area out.

To directly answer your question, I have worn a leather jacket over some 36 cup c's, many many times, and it didn't look like I was wearing a barrel, it flattens the chest area, not expands it.

Kamatsu

I read this thread and see some people saying "We don't want all armor to be skintight boob hugging armor" and defending the way the armor's look.

I really think you should take the time to actually look at the armors. What you'll find in some of the cases is the medium & heavy armor's 'contour' to show female breasts, while the light armor has a weird distorted shape over the chest area. So it's ok for medium and heavy armor to have boob contours but not light armor?

For example, Ra Gada:

Female Light vs Female Heavy:
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Worm Cult:

Light vs Heavy:
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Worm Cult isn't as obvious, but you can clearly see boob line/sculpting on the heavy armor, with weird balloon over chest of the light. It's way more obvious when you look at the front:

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But no, nothing to fix here right? *rolls eyes* How about actual consistency with how armor's look on female characters using the same skin regardless of what weight armor.

Also, it's plainly obvious that the "balloon" chest effect is where they have used the males mesh/texture (I'm not a graphic artist, so not sure which is the correct term here) for the female and just 'expanded' the chest area to show difference from the males. Sloppy and lazy... and something I believe they did previously admit to doing.