[Gear] Weapon Damage On Ice Furnace Set Intended?

KanedaSyndrome

Ice Furnace

Is this magicka set intended to have weapon damage? It doesn't seem to mesh with the other bonuses of Max Magicka & Spell Critical.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Taleof2Cities

It's intended.

Whether or not there's a place for it in most builds is another issue ...

Vaoh

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It's intended.

Whether or not there's a place for it in most any builds is another issue ...

fixed that for you.....

VaranisArano

Ice Furnace is one of those sets that I hang onto in the vain hope that ZOS will make it better live up to its potential.

Pink_Violinz

VaranisArano wrote: »

Ice Furnace is one of those sets that I hang onto in the vain hope that ZOS will make it better live up to its potential.

Shame too. If it was tweaked it has the potential to be one of the most interesting/fun builds out there.

starkerealm

Vaoh wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It's intended.

Whether or not there's a place for it in most any builds is another issue ...

fixed that for you.....

Makes for an amusing trolling build on a Warden tank. Not a great set, and I wouldn't recommend it, but I've gotten a chuckle out of it.

ayu_fever

my argonian vampire warden is a 100% full ice tank and i use 5 ice furnace, 2 iceheart, and 3 willpower.
(on summerset i will drop the willpower jewelry for ysgramor jewelry and use ysgramor ice staff since the staff will count as 2 pieces and then being an ice tank will be so much more powerful!!!)

all my characters are tanks.
i have 1 of each class.
gear sets like ebon, torugs, alkosh, etc are ok i guess but i like putting things together and trying them out.
sometimes it is a dud, but sometimes it is a STUD!

example:
my warden ice tank build is extremely fun, and the tanking doesnt just “work,” it is as the kids these days say: “beast mode”

i have a painstakingly detailed written guide for the warden ice tank but i have not shared it with anyone yet.

InstantNoise

As a fellow ice warden tank I would love to read your findings sometime ayu_fever, I too main a frost staff.

KeiruNicrom

Back in my day we used both stamina and magicka attacks for dps. There was this strange disease around back then y'see. Called it the "Soft caps", and if you were really sick it escillated to "Hard caps". Those were the days. When swingin a hammer and castin lightning could be done by the same person in a dungeon without being laughed at or insulted.

Ah but listen to me carryin on, you dont want ta know about that. The armour in question ysee was designed for those times. Many sets got fixed right up when th "Caps" were cured. But not this one. Left in the dust so it were

KanedaSyndrome

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It's intended.

Whether or not there's a place for it in most builds is another issue ...

Who are you to state that it's intended? Are you one of the game designers?

KanedaSyndrome

KeiruNicrom wrote: »

Back in my day we used both stamina and magicka attacks for dps. There was this strange disease around back then y'see. Called it the "Soft caps", and if you were really sick it escillated to "Hard caps". Those were the days. When swingin a hammer and castin lightning could be done by the same person in a dungeon without being laughed at or insulted.

Ah but listen to me carryin on, you dont want ta know about that. The armour in question ysee was designed for those times. Many sets got fixed right up when th "Caps" were cured. But not this one. Left in the dust so it were

Thanks for the insights

wolfxspice

its a set back from the days of stam/magic/health caps, back when being a hybrid worked, and force pulse worked off of weapon damage (because weapon skill), the set is a relic of what the game used to be, it should be remembered as such.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/284305/ice-furnace-set

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/304016/ice-furnace

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294617/ice-furnace-heavy-armour-set-why-weapon-damage-bonus

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/300003/make-ice-furnace-viable-finally


and lol, almost word for word your title-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/275373/ice-furnace-weapon-damage-intended

Vapirko

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It's intended.

Whether or not there's a place for it in most builds is another issue ...

Who are you to state that it's intended? Are you one of the game designers?

Welll it was made that way? It’s not a bug if that’s what you’re asking. So this person is correct in stating it is intended.

KanedaSyndrome

Vapirko wrote: »

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It's intended.

Whether or not there's a place for it in most builds is another issue ...

Who are you to state that it's intended? Are you one of the game designers?

Welll it was made that way? It’s not a bug if that’s what you’re asking. So this person is correct in stating it is intended.

Some things sneak past QA, so it may not necessarily be intended.

KanedaSyndrome

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

and lol, almost word for word your title-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/275373/ice-furnace-weapon-damage-intended

But all threads from 2016 though, quite old. This thread is partly a question and partly an attempt at raising awareness regarding a set that might need an update to be viable in today's ESO.

Xelrick

The set procs on frost enchantments and Ice staff attacks. I use the axe you get in the dungeon and throw on a frost enchantment. I ran Sunderflame with Ice Furnace on my Warden. It a fun build if anything.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

and lol, almost word for word your title-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/275373/ice-furnace-weapon-damage-intended

But all threads from 2016 though, quite old. This thread is partly a question and partly an attempt at raising awareness regarding a set that might need an update to be viable in today's ESO.

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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381237/ice-furnace-set

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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4389427#Comment_4389427

blah

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4317128#Comment_4317128


blah

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4140366#Comment_4140366

KanedaSyndrome

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

and lol, almost word for word your title-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/275373/ice-furnace-weapon-damage-intended

But all threads from 2016 though, quite old. This thread is partly a question and partly an attempt at raising awareness regarding a set that might need an update to be viable in today's ESO.

blah

It feels like you're getting hostile. I won't be responding to your further comments. Have a great day.

Jade1986

This is one of many blunders in the game. Swamp Raider is another. Ice furnace should be magicka. 100%

D0PAMINE

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It's intended.

Whether or not there's a place for it in most builds is another issue ...

Who are you to state that it's intended? Are you one of the game designers?

Welll it was made that way? It’s not a bug if that’s what you’re asking. So this person is correct in stating it is intended.

Some things sneak past QA, so it may not necessarily be intended.

Its an old set that has been around a while, I doubt its stats and effects are a mistake.

Yakidafi

Jade1986 wrote: »

This is one of many blunders in the game. Swamp Raider is another. Ice furnace should be magicka. 100%

On dk Swamp raider I found it easy to proc with spiked armour or flames of oblivion and I guess stam dk have the most use of this set.

Seraphayel

I mean how would you even proc the 5p? What kind of ice skill do you have that deals direct damage? The only one that comes to my mind is Frost Clench/Reach. So you're spamming this ability over and over again or what?

Edit: I read that someone stated it procs of Frost staff attacks - that shouldn't work imho, it says "ability" and light and heavy attacks usually aren't abilities, are they?

Ladislao

Seraphayel wrote: »

I mean how would you even proc the 5p? What kind of ice skill do you have that deals direct damage? The only one that comes to my mind is Frost Clench/Reach. So you're spamming this ability over and over again or what?

Edit: I read that someone stated it procs of Frost staff attacks - that shouldn't work imho, it says "ability" and light and heavy attacks usually aren't abilities, are they?

Force Shock, Destructive Touch, Impulse. Maybe first tick of ground aoe like Impaling Shards and Wall of Elements as well.

Seraphayel

Ladislao wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I mean how would you even proc the 5p? What kind of ice skill do you have that deals direct damage? The only one that comes to my mind is Frost Clench/Reach. So you're spamming this ability over and over again or what?

Edit: I read that someone stated it procs of Frost staff attacks - that shouldn't work imho, it says "ability" and light and heavy attacks usually aren't abilities, are they?

Force Shock, Destructive Touch, Impulse. Maybe first tick of ground aoe like Impaling Shards and Wall of Elements as well.

Ah, you're right. Never thought about Force Shock, that could work as a spammable. And with the negligible CD of the set... sounds interesting.

josiahva

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

Ice Furnace

Is this magicka set intended to have weapon damage? It doesn't seem to mesh with the other bonuses of Max Magicka & Spell Critical.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Its not a bad set as is paired with Pelinial's on a PvP Hybrid build...but its tough to chose this over Dreugh King, all depends on what you are doing with max stats

KanedaSyndrome

Seraphayel wrote: »

I mean how would you even proc the 5p? What kind of ice skill do you have that deals direct damage? The only one that comes to my mind is Frost Clench/Reach. So you're spamming this ability over and over again or what?

Edit: I read that someone stated it procs of Frost staff attacks - that shouldn't work imho, it says "ability" and light and heavy attacks usually aren't abilities, are they?

If there's one thing I know about ESO, then it's that the terms "Direct Damage", "Ability", "Damage Over Time" etc. are highly un-intuitive and often make no logical sense. Some ground damage effects qualify as direct damage for instance.

Would love an update to the tooltips in the game one day, such that we know for sure which skills satisfy which conditions.

Amdar_Godkiller

I've toyed with testing this on my stamden with crystallized slab. Seems like the effect would be entertaining at the very least.