Make Ice Furnace viable finally!

TheDarkRuler

The Set Ice Furnace has been neglected for eternities now even though lots of people in the forums were asking for a change.

What is the problem?
These are the set stats.
(2 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) When you deal direct damage with a Frost Damage ability, you have a 50% chance to deal an additional 1046 Flame Damage to all enemies within 8 meters around the initial target. This effect can occur once every 1 second.

There are two issues...
1st Ice Furnace is an heavy armor set which kind of is annoying since Ice is a Magicka ability.
However this can be bypassed by wearing 3 Jewelry and only 2 Heavy so no big issue.

2nd is the (4) bonus increasing Weapon damage. A Relic from the past where Weapon Damage and Spell damage weren't separated.
Just make it Spell Damage already.

The One Second cooldown could be considered as "annoying" too although i believe it would be too strong to remove it.
Give me some feedback guys.

Doctordarkspawn

It might be a setup for a new active-style tank class possibly.

HERE'S HOPING WARDEN BECOMES A REALITY AND IT'S A TANK CLASS THAT ISN'T 'SIT THERE AND BLOCK'.

FrostFallFox

I also wish the jewelry dropped in arcane

Birdovic

imgur.com/a/Wrobel's Answer

Ajaxduo

Would be a pretty cool set to combo with winterborn, they need to change that weapon damage bonus to spell damage though xD

TheDarkRuler

Thx @Birdovic
I did not know there was actually an answer from the Devs.

@FrostFallFox
I know there is a very rare chance that the Draugr in the Hall of the True Flame in Castle Direfrost can drop a Unique Ring with Arcane. I dont know about an Arcane necklace however.

Birdovic

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

Thx @Birdovic
I did not know there was actually an answer from the Devs.

@FrostFallFox
I know there is a very rare chance that the Draugr in the Hall of the True Flame in Castle Direfrost can drop a Unique Ring with Arcane. I dont know about an Arcane necklace however.

Well, if you consider that an answer, especially after this long time with again no fixes to that set, you're good to go^^

But im not happy with it.
Just think about it, its been a month+ of time after that anwser from the person responsible for Abilities and sets and stuff. And still it was SO HARD to change a "Weapon Damage" into "Spell Damage". I just dont get it.

The same goes for Shadowrend and Iceheart.

Gan Xing

Patch notes are up for Housing PTS. Ice Furnace still not changed.... @ZOS_GinaBruno I'm pretty sure Wrobel was gonna look into this

TheDarkRuler

Well Ice was completely changed to a tanking element.
I am not even sure if Ice Furnace makes any more sense as DPS thing.

Birdovic

Been 3+ Months now and still nothing, lol.
Well, that weird heavy attack taunt has to go, and it can be used for many things, not just the newly introduced tanking idea.

Instead just let a heavy frost attack reduce spell/Armor resistance by 2k and let elemental susceptibility become a taunt instead.

agegarton

I agree with the OP. Ice magic is totally under-utilised, mostly because the good sets (and there are too few) are not set up correctly.

Birdovic

@agegarton

Don't forget Frost Abilities.
Outside of Destro Staff Abilities and Ice Meteor, there is nothing with a frost damage component.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Birdovic wrote: »

imgur.com/a/Wrobel's Answer

How many years ago was that?

agegarton

Agree - frost, ice - the chilly stuff !

Birdovic

@Yolokin_Swagonborn just checked, I asked that about 3 months ago.

Derra

They did change something about ice furnace in the past three months.

Originally the tooltip stated it would procc on frost dmg. Which would have made it procc on WOE and frost clench - but it did not.

ZOS then proceeded changed the tooltip for ice furnace to state that it only works on "frost direct damage" - while leaving the weapondmg 4p untouched.

That´s what they think about this set and how important it is.

raj72616a

there is one other problem: why doesnt Iceheart monster set proc Ice Furance?

Birdovic

raj72616a wrote: »

there is one other problem: why doesnt Iceheart monster set proc Ice Furance?

Well I think ice hearts damage is not "direct damage" (I think it's DoT) and it's not an damage ability either. That's the problem I think.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Birdovic wrote: »

@Yolokin_Swagonborn just checked, I asked that about 3 months ago.

I wish the development team would buff underperforming sets instead of just nerfing over-performing ones.

This is long overdue. Why should everyone be forced to use the same few sets? I really like ice-heart but it needs to proc more often and do more damage. Same thing with the lamia one.

So many other cool proc sets are so weak, and viper is so strong. It doesn't make any sense.

EldritchPenguin

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Birdovic wrote: »

@Yolokin_Swagonborn just checked, I asked that about 3 months ago.

I wish the development team would buff underperforming sets instead of just nerfing over-performing ones.

This is long overdue. Why should everyone be forced to use the same few sets? I really like ice-heart but it needs to proc more often and do more damage. Same thing with the lamia one.

So many other cool proc sets are so weak, and viper is so strong. It doesn't make any sense.

There really needs to be both, or else player power could easily get really, really out of hand. We can already DPS so hard that endgame players can basically skip boss mechanics. So, yes, bad sets need to be brought up, but overperforming ones also need to be brought down.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Birdovic wrote: »

@Yolokin_Swagonborn just checked, I asked that about 3 months ago.

I wish the development team would buff underperforming sets instead of just nerfing over-performing ones.

This is long overdue. Why should everyone be forced to use the same few sets? I really like ice-heart but it needs to proc more often and do more damage. Same thing with the lamia one.

So many other cool proc sets are so weak, and viper is so strong. It doesn't make any sense.

There really needs to be both, or else player power could easily get really, really out of hand. We can already DPS so hard that endgame players can basically skip boss mechanics. So, yes, bad sets need to be brought up, but overperforming ones also need to be brought down.

Power creep does not come from powerful sets, it comes from the disgusting champion system. Sets are fine. 25% extra damage, regen, and mitigation as well as 4k resources to each attribute pool is why damage is out of control. Remember that proc sets hit 25% harder also because of the crapeon system.

All because people want to FEEL more powerful with a fake treadmil progression system.

The people crying "MUH PROGREZZUNS" are the ones helping the game die.

tinythinker

So why the flame damage upon proc? I know there was some set that had a rotating elemental damage buff but this probably won't work with it.

Birdovic

tinythinker wrote: »

So why the flame damage upon proc? I know there was some set that had a rotating elemental damage buff but this probably won't work with it.

Hard to say. There are so few sets that help you make a frost build already.

Why they want you to deal Frost damage to deal fire damage is beyond me.
Also, its "direct" damage only, limiting build options again lol.

All they need to do:
- Change 3pc Bonus "Spellcrit" to Max Magicka
- Change 4pc Bonus "Weapondmg" to Spelldmg
- Change 5pc Bonus to proc from every Frost Damage (not only "direct" damage)
- Change the 5pc Bonus to deal Frost Damage and double the AoE Damage
- To compensate, increase cooldown to 4 sec
- Keep 50% Proc Chance
--> DONE, we got a working Frost Set, which synergizes well with other Frost Sets like Iceheart and Winterborn, and even makes for a great combo with ice meteor

Gan Xing

Derra wrote: »

They did change something about ice furnace in the past three months.

Originally the tooltip stated it would procc on frost dmg. Which would have made it procc on WOE and frost clench - but it did not.

ZOS then proceeded changed the tooltip for ice furnace to state that it only works on "frost direct damage" - while leaving the weapondmg 4p untouched.

That´s what they think about this set and how important it is.

so basically, they made it even more useless