Healing without Resto Staff

dreamer05

My main is a healing sorc, which I love. I play healers in all MMOs, and generally play all healing classes. Problem is I'm getting so bored with resto staff already. Are there healing builds without resto staff? More specifically I just started a warden, and would like to not go that route. Any ideas? Also, would be interested to hear if any ice warden builds are viable yet?

Davor

I don't know much so would like to know as well. I am surprised mages can't heal without the staff. All I know is the Undaunted Alter spell I think can heal as well. Not sure how good that is though.

dreamer05

No my sorc does use resto staff, but I'm not wanting to use it with other healers I'm going to play. Sorry for the mix-up.

IwakuraLain42

My Nightblade healer uses two swords on the Nightblade healing bar very successfully, but the class has a few Heal skills.

VaranisArano

A pet sorc could just spam the Twilight Matriarch heal if needed, I suppose.

Seraphayel

You need Resto Staff for the sweet Magicka return and the passives unfortunately. Otherwise you could try with S&B, Matriarch, Orb and Negate / Barrier and focus on high regen or sustain to spam Matriarch heal.

It won't be a great build for trials but I think it could work in (easier) veteran content.

With Summerset and the Psijic skills there seems to be a passive that makes your light attacks heal others plus a new healing skill so you could try Destro Staff healing.

With the right sets that improve your healing capabilities I think it could be done but you weaken yourself by not using Resto Staff. Right now I am not on my desk to create a "fun" build but I can do it tomorrow and post it here.

dreamer05

I think I caused confusion.

My sorc uses resto staff, and she does great. I'm looking for a healing build, or another class build, that does not use resto staff. Looking at all classes aside from sorc, but most interested in warden.

jrgray93

You can build a stam warden to heal effectively. It's not the easiest thing but DW daggers works well.

EvilCroc

Warden healer does not need resto staff actually.

Grabmoore

Could it work? Sure.

Would it be useful. Not really, no.

The most important part resto offers is Combat Prayer for 8% more damage. If your group is all Nightblades, a destro/sword and board heal tank could work. I imagine running master architect and tree ulti or alkosh+ spellpower cure with warhorn.

This only works for 4 man content though. Realisticly, everyone in endgame would dictate you what to wear. Either SPC+ Worm or Jorvulds or Twilight Remedy or mending.

The main question I have: What else would you take, instead of Resto? Imo there is no real alternative. Don't say destro, because every other healer ingame already backbars lightning destro for wall, ele drain and sometimes crushing shock.

dreamer05

I like 2HS, anything else really, and no not destro.

Tyrobag

No, it is not possible. No class (not even Templar) has all of the healing skills needed to be a full healer without a resto staff.

Colecovision

For the content this would work on, just tell people to heal themselves and you help kill the boss faster.

Nolic1

Templar, Nightblade and Warden can be healers without a resto staff but you need to make sure your group is ok with it. To play a healer you do not need a resto staff on them but it can help with classes that do not have alot of heals like the classes I mentioned above. How I will see what I can put together this update and they will most likely only be for dungeons cause not many trial groups will want a healer without a resto staff but they can still work if your understand the playstyle. Alot of the time it comes down to the group you play in if these types of healers would be allowed or not.

Seraphayel

Tyrobag wrote: »

No, it is not possible. No class (not even Templar) has all of the healing skills needed to be a full healer without a resto staff.

Not really true. The only thing that's really missing is the passives, you don't need any active skills from Resto Staff. Yes, not even Combat Prayer.

dreamer05

That's what is a little frustrating about this game. They say it's open skill but you need resto most of the time. I'm not really thinking end game, but maybe I can get somewhere with randoms using just warden heals. Any viable ice specs?

Aisle9

I have a stamwarden, and I heal with sword and board

Anotherone773

dreamer05 wrote: »

That's what is a little frustrating about this game. They say it's open skill but you need resto most of the time. I'm not really thinking end game, but maybe I can get somewhere with randoms using just warden heals. Any viable ice specs?

I think i rather have unique classes with unique heal abilities than have everything tied to weapons. It makes it kind of bland. Sure you can heal without a resto staff, but its not going to be near as good. Or you can give any class a resto staff and instantly make them a healer. Its kind of stupid.

exeeter702

dreamer05 wrote: »

That's what is a little frustrating about this game. They say it's open skill but you need resto most of the time. I'm not really thinking end game, but maybe I can get somewhere with randoms using just warden heals. Any viable ice specs?

The resto staff (as well as ALL universally available skill lines) are meant to augment a given class in their desired role. Depending on how certain class skills are weighted for all 3 roles, some classes lean a little more heavily on the said universal skills to reach viable performance in certain roles. The game is intentionally designed this way, its not as severely limited as you are making it out to be.

As far as healers specifically, yes often in harder content a resto staff becomes almost mandatory, but how each of the 5 healers utilizes the resto staff offerings varies greatly. It easier content, its very easy to really individualize yourself and not rely on the resto staff, but the issue is the easier the content becomes, the easier players can sinply heal themselves at which point you are better off just providing additional damage for the group. Non vet 4 man endeavors can be "healed" almost exclusivley with the occasional vigor and BOL, matriarch, funnel health hots, shrooms, and cauterize/obsidian shard (yes im serious on the last one).

CurlyQTip

dreamer05 wrote: »

No my sorc does use resto staff, but I'm not wanting to use it with other healers I'm going to play. Sorry for the mix-up.

the alter spells a huge waste

undaunted also has energy orb which I slot for vet dungeons because its insanely stackable

CurlyQTip

Tyrobag wrote: »

No, it is not possible. No class (not even Templar) has all of the healing skills needed to be a full healer without a resto staff.

Not entirely true. On both my warden and templar I can run no resto skills and be just fine

it'll just hurt my sustain but potions exist for that reason, the missing passives wouldn't be that terrible, etc

would be easy to do normals like that, vet not so much

Terion_Fyr

I do the most dungeon without the resto staff.

Most Skills from NB and the undaunted healing ball do the job

try out NB as a Heal, i play him since release and i play every content (event vet dungeons,dlc, raids) with him

Silver_Strider

Why would you do this to yourself?
Sure, Resto is boring but even if you slot every non-Resto Heal on, you're severely gimping yourself, not only because Resto Staff has some of the greatest healing abilities but because your sustain with a Resto is better than other options.

Iselin

Yes you could do it but it will always be worse than with resto because of the passives you're missing. Easy to do with Warden or Templar or even NB.

I find magblade healing especially fun because they have several skills that do damage and heal others at the same time. It's the closest ESO has to a couple of my favorite classes from other games: Rift's Chloromancer and WAR's Archmage.

Raraaku

Can you heal without resto staff, and successfully? Sure. But, the restoration staff has so many good skills and passives to it. Healing Springs, Mutagen/Rapid Regeneration, Combat Prayer, Healing Ward, Force Siphon are all good (in my opinion) and Essence Drain, Restoration Expert, Cycle of Life, & Restoration Master passives give excellent sustain abilities and buffing abilities to the active skills.

I use my Resto bar to slot some of my non-healing class skills. Even with just 3 of the above skills, I am able to effectively keep my group alive. Back bar is where I use my class healing skills (along with the classic Ele Drain/Blockade combo for passive DPS)

In terms of Warden Healers, my main healer is one. I really like him, frost staffs are a good match with them. If you run resto/destro set-up. Winter's revenge + Ele Drain + Blockade is a good, simple rotation to help with CC while contributing to DPS all the while having plenty of slots to do your thing. Plus Enchanted Forest is a great spammable Ultimate heal.

Shanjijri

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

My Nightblade healer uses two swords on the Nightblade healing bar very successfully, but the class has a few Heal skills.

Funnel Health, Refreshing Path, Sap Essence...

Beardimus

I kinda tried to go that way with my PvP healer, but as I play him so rarely I switched to Restro and same skills rotatin on front bar as my pet sorc

Personally, I way prefer Pet sorc healing. It's a buzz. Gets alpt of kudos too in hard stuff and you get it right

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

CurlyQTip wrote: »

dreamer05 wrote: »

No my sorc does use resto staff, but I'm not wanting to use it with other healers I'm going to play. Sorry for the mix-up.

the alter spells a huge waste

undaunted also has energy orb which I slot for vet dungeons because its insanely stackable

Sanguine altar costs 1700 magic and lasts for 46 seconds and has a synergy that heals for 40% health. Hardly a waste. Oh and has a 28 meter range.

Serjustin19

Tyrobag wrote: »

No, it is not possible. No class (not even Templar) has all of the healing skills needed to be a full healer without a resto staff.

And everyone keeps telling me. I should switch restro to SnB, because everyone is SnB. I don't like SnB, I love Restro. Been using one for 3+yrs as a Magplar restro healer. Now I'm going show this to others lol.

starkerealm

jrgray93 wrote: »

You can build a stam warden to heal effectively. It's not the easiest thing but DW daggers works well.

Yeah, they're rare, but you can have a trials tier Stam Warden as your healer. Your actual options are a little more limited, but it is a viable build, if you're willing to put in the time and effort.

Worth saying, you'll probably never be the best healer in the game going that route, but it is a real possibility.

Tasear

You will be more successful with resto staff as a healer, but you could.

Use undaunted orbs as heal over time and blood atlar as soon heal. Finally twlight for anything out of scope.