Jewellery Crafting: Pay to win fix.

Silver_Strider

P2W arguments are absolute bull.

We don't know the math on any of these traits and how they'll reshape the meta, if they even do. Sure, a lot of these traits sound impressive and all but without the math behind the traits, this is all baseless conjecture. The values might change, the traits might not function as we imagined, we don't know. Calling P2W on something that we know very little about is laughable.

Here's the simple truth, almost every DLC + Chapter that has been added to ESO has something that can be argued is P2W.

Without IC, you don't get SPC, which is MANDATORY at this point for Healers to wear.
Without Thieves Guild, you can't get any of the MoL sets, some of which are incredibly powerful (Alkosh is still one of the best Tank support sets in the game and Twilight's remedy is one of the few supplementary Healer sets that are actually worth a damn)
Without Wrothgar, you can't get Maelstrom Weapons
Without Morrowind, there's no War Machine/Master Architect
Without CWC, there's no Asylum Weapons.

Until ZOS finally loses it and puts Master/Maelstrom/Asylum weapon in the crown store, P2W arguments can go die in a ditch.

Numerikuu

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

No one is going to run Bloodthirsty over Infused. Bonus damage under 25% isn't worth bonus damage all the time. I also didnt think anyone ran Silks of the Sun anymore, not since BSW displaced it.

Depends on the parses it brings if you use only the one piece. Hard to tell until PTS hits tbh, though I see the how Bloodthirsty can be quite useful in certain situations.

And people do still use Silks of Sun. Not everyone has access to/runs with a set group 24/7. Silks of Sun adds to survivability with the extra hp and adds 230 more spell damage over Julianos at the expense of a few % of crit chance. So SoS + BSW is quite nice

I know some use/say to use Mechanical Acuity, but lets be real. It's over performing, and anything that over performs in this game gets a nerf eventually.

But once again, want Bloodthirsty or whatever new trait for either SoS or BSW? Gotta get the chapter and the cwc.

Heka Cain

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Aebaradath

Some goofball said it's P2W (even though it's not) and...

smacky

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

Numerikuu wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is nothing to fix since it's not P2W.

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Agreed. Jewelry will be tradable so how is it P2W?

You cannot trade transmuted gear. This forces non-DLC users to have to wear a crafted set should want jewelry with the new traits. Those with the dlc can wear two monster/dungeon dropped sets as they can transmute the jewelry from their set of choice.

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

That said, they have stated that Jewellery will drop with the new traits in any case.
This is necessary to allow people to learn the traits.

Wrong
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26357?Check-out-Jewelry-Crafting-With-this-Preview-&-Guide

Do existing sets drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits?

No. Existing sets do not drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits. If you want your rings and necklaces from existing sets to have the new Traits, they need to be retraited at a Transmutation Station.

Items with the new jewelry Traits can only be sourced from specific in-game activities.

You argue my entire point is wrong on this basis.

Yet you fail to address the first 2 sentences:

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

MajBludd

They call it P2W because they have to spend money for it. It's not free... please stop with these threads.

How many have there been now? As I stated in another post on the same subject. Save $1 a day til the release of summerset, that will be enough to buy the chapter.

If you can't find, save, or make $1 a day I suggest you stop playing eso.

JasonSilverSpring

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

Numerikuu wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is nothing to fix since it's not P2W.

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Agreed. Jewelry will be tradable so how is it P2W?

You cannot trade transmuted gear. This forces non-DLC users to have to wear a crafted set should want jewelry with the new traits. Those with the dlc can wear two monster/dungeon dropped sets as they can transmute the jewelry from their set of choice.

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

That said, they have stated that Jewellery will drop with the new traits in any case.
This is necessary to allow people to learn the traits.

Wrong
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26357?Check-out-Jewelry-Crafting-With-this-Preview-&-Guide

Do existing sets drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits?

No. Existing sets do not drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits. If you want your rings and necklaces from existing sets to have the new Traits, they need to be retraited at a Transmutation Station.

Items with the new jewelry Traits can only be sourced from specific in-game activities.

But those in-game activities are not locked behind Summerset. So what is the issue? Anyone can get them. Only those with Summerset can craft them.

Maura_Neysa

smacky wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

Numerikuu wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is nothing to fix since it's not P2W.

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Agreed. Jewelry will be tradable so how is it P2W?

You cannot trade transmuted gear. This forces non-DLC users to have to wear a crafted set should want jewelry with the new traits. Those with the dlc can wear two monster/dungeon dropped sets as they can transmute the jewelry from their set of choice.

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

That said, they have stated that Jewellery will drop with the new traits in any case.
This is necessary to allow people to learn the traits.

Wrong
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26357?Check-out-Jewelry-Crafting-With-this-Preview-&-Guide

Do existing sets drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits?

No. Existing sets do not drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits. If you want your rings and necklaces from existing sets to have the new Traits, they need to be retraited at a Transmutation Station.

Items with the new jewelry Traits can only be sourced from specific in-game activities.

You argue my entire point is wrong on this basis.

Yet you fail to address the first 2 sentences:

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

Umm, because if you pay attention, agree its not P2W, and everyone runs one crafted set and one drop set However, false information is far worse then disagreeable(or agreeable in this case) opinions.

smacky

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

Numerikuu wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is nothing to fix since it's not P2W.

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Agreed. Jewelry will be tradable so how is it P2W?

You cannot trade transmuted gear. This forces non-DLC users to have to wear a crafted set should want jewelry with the new traits. Those with the dlc can wear two monster/dungeon dropped sets as they can transmute the jewelry from their set of choice.

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

That said, they have stated that Jewellery will drop with the new traits in any case.
This is necessary to allow people to learn the traits.

Wrong
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26357?Check-out-Jewelry-Crafting-With-this-Preview-&-Guide

Do existing sets drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits?

No. Existing sets do not drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits. If you want your rings and necklaces from existing sets to have the new Traits, they need to be retraited at a Transmutation Station.

Items with the new jewelry Traits can only be sourced from specific in-game activities.

You argue my entire point is wrong on this basis.

Yet you fail to address the first 2 sentences:

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

Umm, because if you pay attention, agree its not P2W, and everyone runs one crafted set and one drop set However, false information is far worse then disagreeable(or agreeable in this case) opinions.

Now I think you are just tryoing to be intentionally confusing, and appear to be baiting replies at this point.

I say the game is not P2W, and your comment here, appears to agree with that after you earlier said it was P2W?

If you are going to argue my points, then please have the decency to make a valid argument, not just say Wrong!

If you want to make your argument about a part of what I said, then have the decency to specify that.

If you have a fair argument to make about the points I put forward then do so, otherwise stop trying to flame.

Maura_Neysa

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

Numerikuu wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is nothing to fix since it's not P2W.

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Agreed. Jewelry will be tradable so how is it P2W?

You cannot trade transmuted gear. This forces non-DLC users to have to wear a crafted set should want jewelry with the new traits. Those with the dlc can wear two monster/dungeon dropped sets as they can transmute the jewelry from their set of choice.

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

That said, they have stated that Jewellery will drop with the new traits in any case.
This is necessary to allow people to learn the traits.

Wrong
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26357?Check-out-Jewelry-Crafting-With-this-Preview-&-Guide

Do existing sets drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits?

No. Existing sets do not drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits. If you want your rings and necklaces from existing sets to have the new Traits, they need to be retraited at a Transmutation Station.

Items with the new jewelry Traits can only be sourced from specific in-game activities.

But those in-game activities are not locked behind Summerset. So what is the issue? Anyone can get them. Only those with Summerset can craft them.

True. See my (now) edited post. I only responded to bad information.

abigfishy

Anyone can buy this with in game gold. This is not pay to win. End of thread.

Asardes

More of the same:
Orsinium is P2W because Maelstrom weapons
Thieves Guild is P2W because Moondancer & Alkosh from vMoL
Clockwork is P2W because Asylum weapons
Morrowind is P2W because Warden yada yada yada ...

Uviryth

JUST BUY THE FRIGGIN EXPANSION ALREADY!

Jesus, sometimes I hate the F2P-Community so much.....

Tabbycat

It is going to be okay. Next year when the next Chapter comes out, you will be able to buy jewelry crafting with crowns in the crown store.

Pixel_Zealot

It isn't P2W though

Dawre

WHAT?Hold on under what rock came these creatures screaming posting tread after tread on forum p2w jewel crafting?Did we just got teleported to another dimension where all are mad and are born backwards?PAY to WIN was and it since since memorial time when we called items purchased with Real money to boost player dmg and stats for pvp.Since when is normal jewel crafting what will have even limited selection traits and we need enchant to get max out of it p2w?You mad or did you whack your head while getting up in the morning?Comming back to Eso form tons of others mmo Eso has not a single p2w option for pvp and anything saying otherwise must be lunatic.Want to see real p2w go Neverwinter on steam do pvp there or some other poor crap maintained mmo where you wallet lets you own everything.You just go buy best top gear and start right away to dominate in pvp.

Aurielle

Silver_Strider wrote: »

P2W arguments are absolute bull.

We don't know the math on any of these traits and how they'll reshape the meta, if they even do. Sure, a lot of these traits sound impressive and all but without the math behind the traits, this is all baseless conjecture. The values might change, the traits might not function as we imagined, we don't know. Calling P2W on something that we know very little about is laughable.

Here's the simple truth, almost every DLC + Chapter that has been added to ESO has something that can be argued is P2W.

Without IC, you don't get SPC, which is MANDATORY at this point for Healers to wear.
Without Thieves Guild, you can't get any of the MoL sets, some of which are incredibly powerful (Alkosh is still one of the best Tank support sets in the game and Twilight's remedy is one of the few supplementary Healer sets that are actually worth a damn)
Without Wrothgar, you can't get Maelstrom Weapons
Without Morrowind, there's no War Machine/Master Architect
Without CWC, there's no Asylum Weapons.

Until ZOS finally loses it and puts Master/Maelstrom/Asylum weapon in the crown store, P2W arguments can go die in a ditch.

Anyone who thinks jewellery crafting is P2W needs to bookmark this post and read it over and over again until it finally sinks in.

Why do people think they should get EVERY game feature in the base game? Do they not understand how DLCs/expansions work in MMOs?

Dai1001

Aurielle wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

P2W arguments are absolute bull.

We don't know the math on any of these traits and how they'll reshape the meta, if they even do. Sure, a lot of these traits sound impressive and all but without the math behind the traits, this is all baseless conjecture. The values might change, the traits might not function as we imagined, we don't know. Calling P2W on something that we know very little about is laughable.

Here's the simple truth, almost every DLC + Chapter that has been added to ESO has something that can be argued is P2W.

Without IC, you don't get SPC, which is MANDATORY at this point for Healers to wear.
Without Thieves Guild, you can't get any of the MoL sets, some of which are incredibly powerful (Alkosh is still one of the best Tank support sets in the game and Twilight's remedy is one of the few supplementary Healer sets that are actually worth a damn)
Without Wrothgar, you can't get Maelstrom Weapons
Without Morrowind, there's no War Machine/Master Architect
Without CWC, there's no Asylum Weapons.

Until ZOS finally loses it and puts Master/Maelstrom/Asylum weapon in the crown store, P2W arguments can go die in a ditch.

Anyone who thinks jewellery crafting is P2W needs to bookmark this post and read it over and over again until it finally sinks in.

Why do people think they should get EVERY game feature in the base game? Do they not understand how DLCs/expansions work in MMOs?

Yeah, agree. I have since long stopped expecting to receive a full game without paying astronomical sums.

ak_pvp

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Pay 2 win what? The reality of the game, Level all the way up and learn all the tricks only to find out that there is no real competition.

Campaigns last too long, battlegrounds is AvAvA and even with 3 premades, 1 alliance is getting double teamed. trials is just fighting code and following a mechanic and protocol.

Dueling is really the only real chance to pay to win and you only earn street cred with that

All campaigns should be 7 day.

JackSmirkingRevenge

Pay to win is fine, zos is running a business, not a charity. Pay for summerset or don't get jc.

Juju_beans

Dai1001 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

P2W arguments are absolute bull.

We don't know the math on any of these traits and how they'll reshape the meta, if they even do. Sure, a lot of these traits sound impressive and all but without the math behind the traits, this is all baseless conjecture. The values might change, the traits might not function as we imagined, we don't know. Calling P2W on something that we know very little about is laughable.

Here's the simple truth, almost every DLC + Chapter that has been added to ESO has something that can be argued is P2W.

Without IC, you don't get SPC, which is MANDATORY at this point for Healers to wear.
Without Thieves Guild, you can't get any of the MoL sets, some of which are incredibly powerful (Alkosh is still one of the best Tank support sets in the game and Twilight's remedy is one of the few supplementary Healer sets that are actually worth a damn)
Without Wrothgar, you can't get Maelstrom Weapons
Without Morrowind, there's no War Machine/Master Architect
Without CWC, there's no Asylum Weapons.

Until ZOS finally loses it and puts Master/Maelstrom/Asylum weapon in the crown store, P2W arguments can go die in a ditch.

Anyone who thinks jewellery crafting is P2W needs to bookmark this post and read it over and over again until it finally sinks in.

Why do people think they should get EVERY game feature in the base game? Do they not understand how DLCs/expansions work in MMOs?

Yeah, agree. I have since long stopped expecting to receive a full game without paying astronomical sums.

You think $40 is "astronomical" ?

Dai1001

Juju_beans wrote: »

Dai1001 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

P2W arguments are absolute bull.

We don't know the math on any of these traits and how they'll reshape the meta, if they even do. Sure, a lot of these traits sound impressive and all but without the math behind the traits, this is all baseless conjecture. The values might change, the traits might not function as we imagined, we don't know. Calling P2W on something that we know very little about is laughable.

Here's the simple truth, almost every DLC + Chapter that has been added to ESO has something that can be argued is P2W.

Without IC, you don't get SPC, which is MANDATORY at this point for Healers to wear.
Without Thieves Guild, you can't get any of the MoL sets, some of which are incredibly powerful (Alkosh is still one of the best Tank support sets in the game and Twilight's remedy is one of the few supplementary Healer sets that are actually worth a damn)
Without Wrothgar, you can't get Maelstrom Weapons
Without Morrowind, there's no War Machine/Master Architect
Without CWC, there's no Asylum Weapons.

Until ZOS finally loses it and puts Master/Maelstrom/Asylum weapon in the crown store, P2W arguments can go die in a ditch.

Anyone who thinks jewellery crafting is P2W needs to bookmark this post and read it over and over again until it finally sinks in.

Why do people think they should get EVERY game feature in the base game? Do they not understand how DLCs/expansions work in MMOs?

Yeah, agree. I have since long stopped expecting to receive a full game without paying astronomical sums.

You think $40 is "astronomical" ?

Well actually the FULL game costs around 115 dollars.

JasonSilverSpring

Dai1001 wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

Dai1001 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

P2W arguments are absolute bull.

We don't know the math on any of these traits and how they'll reshape the meta, if they even do. Sure, a lot of these traits sound impressive and all but without the math behind the traits, this is all baseless conjecture. The values might change, the traits might not function as we imagined, we don't know. Calling P2W on something that we know very little about is laughable.

Here's the simple truth, almost every DLC + Chapter that has been added to ESO has something that can be argued is P2W.

Without IC, you don't get SPC, which is MANDATORY at this point for Healers to wear.
Without Thieves Guild, you can't get any of the MoL sets, some of which are incredibly powerful (Alkosh is still one of the best Tank support sets in the game and Twilight's remedy is one of the few supplementary Healer sets that are actually worth a damn)
Without Wrothgar, you can't get Maelstrom Weapons
Without Morrowind, there's no War Machine/Master Architect
Without CWC, there's no Asylum Weapons.

Until ZOS finally loses it and puts Master/Maelstrom/Asylum weapon in the crown store, P2W arguments can go die in a ditch.

Anyone who thinks jewellery crafting is P2W needs to bookmark this post and read it over and over again until it finally sinks in.

Why do people think they should get EVERY game feature in the base game? Do they not understand how DLCs/expansions work in MMOs?

Yeah, agree. I have since long stopped expecting to receive a full game without paying astronomical sums.

You think $40 is "astronomical" ?

Well actually the FULL game costs around 115 dollars.

How do you get that? The store page lists ESO Morrowind for 30. Then 20 for Summerset upgrade.