Jewellery Crafting: Pay to win fix.

ak_pvp

FloppyTouch wrote: »

A way they can fix it is let the people that buy the chapter craft rings and necklace for the people that don't have the chapter, oh wait...

Ah, yes that allows people who don't have the chapter transmute rings, or upgrade bound gear... oh wait.

Avran_Sylt

Unless they bring back a mandatory subscription, I don't see these types of things being released Day 1 as base game features.

This acts as a pseudo-subscription model. And I'm fine with that. It aint like Crowns are a hotly consumed currency. And Given that ESO+ subscription roughly gives crowns equal to the amount spent... Well, it acts like getting crowns along with an added benefit. Not exactly like a regular subscription.

TarrNokk

Orjix wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

Next you'll have to buy an expansion to craft the new Food/Drink that everyone wants.

It's not P2W I'm sure they will be sell able but it sure as hell is pay to stay relevant as a crafter, something that has been and was a pillar of the entire base game. But all leeches that completely and utterly have ignored the entire crafting part of ESO (xXI'm_too_DPS_liiiit_for_any_crafting_dudeXx) and are relying on crafters DGAF. BTW I've found those players to be the most cheap people in the game, but YMMV...

Pfui.

Not trying to be hostile, maybe they don't craft because it's insanely boring. I didn't start to craft until late well after I had hit VR16 and to this day I still don't enjoy it. It not exactly fun to run around to different nodes and pick stuff up for hours on end when you could be doing something much more engaging. As to the players being to cheap, just don't craft for them

I don't like harvesting as well, but I like crafting my stuff.
I don't do harvesting because I don't like it.
I buy all materials with the gold I got in the time while others do the harvesting thing for me.
Win/Win

Dai1001

Guarlet wrote: »

So now dead memes are a part of this?
*Sweating*

Whiphid

Man, its $30 a year. All this P2W whining is coming from people thinking they should have years of gameplay with all the updates for a one-time purchase.

Drdeath20

Pay 2 win what? The reality of the game, Level all the way up and learn all the tricks only to find out that there is no real competition.

Campaigns last too long, battlegrounds is AvAvA and even with 3 premades, 1 alliance is getting double teamed. trials is just fighting code and following a mechanic and protocol.

Dueling is really the only real chance to pay to win and you only earn street cred with that

smacky

So far as I understand it to this point, jewelery crafting will be an additional crafting station, not a transmute,

In order to transmute, you first havce to researcxh, hence this is NOT P2W.

You will be able to in that case but crafted items with the traits you want from people who have Summerset.

Maura_Neysa

Whiphid wrote: »

Man, its $30 a year. All this P2W whining is coming from people thinking they should have years of gameplay with all the updates for a one-time purchase.

I mean its true. If you didn't Pay for the Game in the first place, you'll never win...

Harrdarrzarr

I'd like to point out that dropped jewelry in a groupdungeon cannot be sold and bought from guild stores, only crafted jewelry. So if you do not have the Summerset Chapter, you have no way to get an Embershield necklace with robust for example while those that bought the chapter can. So in terms of crafted jewelry, it is not pay-to-win. But when you consider dropped jewelry, then yes it is pay-to-win.

Azurya

Matrix117 wrote: »

With the introduction to Jewellery Crafting, and it being locked behind a pay wall, I can see both sides to the argument. I have also come up with some ways ZOS can keep the Jewellery crafting behind a paywall and also have it not be P2W.

As we know, if you buy the summerset chapter you will be able to use the Jewellery crafting station, this means if you don't have Summerset you will not be able to obtain traits other than healthy, robust and arcane for non crafted jewellery, via transmutation, if ZOS was to allow all players to refine, Decon, improve and research their jewellery then this will remove the pay to win feature but keep pay for convenience because you still couldn't buy Shackle Jewellery but can still buy. This allows for the entire player base to be on the same level with any gold jewellery and trait.

You could even make the skill line only available to Summerset so people without the chapter would have a harder time researching the traits, deconning and refining mats as well as not being able to get 100% chance of improving Gold jewellery. This would still give a nudge to buy the chapter (what ZOS wants) as well as changing P2W to Pay for convenience / less gold mats

I will put something in the shop, so you can buy my crafted stuff.
and anyway we don´t know all details right now, so this is whining without a cause! cya

Maura_Neysa

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

I'd like to point out that dropped jewelry in a groupdungeon cannot be sold and bought from guild stores, only crafted jewelry. So if you do not have the Summerset Chapter, you have no way to get an Embershield necklace with robust for example while those that bought the chapter can. So in terms of crafted jewelry, it is not pay-to-win. But when you consider dropped jewelry, then yes it is pay-to-win.

I'd like to point out, even if you have Summerset, Embershield necklace will still drop in the exact same trait.
Every set currently in the game will drop in the exact same traits as they do now.
The only way to get dungeon sets in other traits is via your own crafter. At one Researched Trait at a time.
Considering at least currently, both Stamina and Magic DD meta is 1 crafted set, everyone will have the same access. Only Healers and Tanks will suffer for not having Summerset.

knaveofengland

ask this do you all enjoy extra content , then pay for it eso has to pay wages , and all the bills that go with running a company

dust off them moths in your wallet

SergeantJinx

I'm sorry but it's not pay to win. Surely if you play the game and enjoy it you would want to carry on with the next chapter of the game and buy Summerset. If you don't then, you know where the door is.

Vahrokh

Whiphid wrote: »

Man, its $30 a year. All this P2W whining is coming from people thinking they should have years of gameplay with all the updates for a one-time purchase.

No, it's even less. I've just bought Summerset for $20.

I mean... even a guy living selling used coke cans can scrape up $20 a year, come on! Some stuff I read in here is beyond pathetic!

smacky

Let's just maske the game free to play with no cosmetic marketplace to please all the haters, and then the game will be completely gone 3 months later.

People, ZOS is a business, vote with your wallet, it really is that simple.

If you don;t like macca's stop buying it, same goes here.

Aesthier

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Numerikuu

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is nothing to fix since it's not P2W.

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Agreed. Jewelry will be tradable so how is it P2W?

You cannot trade transmuted gear. This forces non-DLC users to have to wear a crafted set should want jewelry with the new traits. Those with the dlc can wear two monster/dungeon dropped sets as they can transmute the jewelry from their set of choice. Which means a magdk with the dlc can use bsw + silks of sun with bloodthirsty. A non dlc-user would have to use julianos instead of silks in order to obtain bloodthirsty, meaning 101 less damage to their flame abilities over the dlc user.

smacky

Numerikuu wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is nothing to fix since it's not P2W.

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Agreed. Jewelry will be tradable so how is it P2W?

You cannot trade transmuted gear. This forces non-DLC users to have to wear a crafted set should want jewelry with the new traits. Those with the dlc can wear two monster/dungeon dropped sets as they can transmute the jewelry from their set of choice.

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

That said, they have stated that Jewellery will drop with the new traits in any case.
This is necessary to allow people to learn the traits.

Maura_Neysa

smacky wrote: »

Numerikuu wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is nothing to fix since it's not P2W.

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Agreed. Jewelry will be tradable so how is it P2W?

You cannot trade transmuted gear. This forces non-DLC users to have to wear a crafted set should want jewelry with the new traits. Those with the dlc can wear two monster/dungeon dropped sets as they can transmute the jewelry from their set of choice.

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

That said, they have stated that Jewellery will drop with the new traits in any case.
This is necessary to allow people to learn the traits.

Wrong
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26357?Check-out-Jewelry-Crafting-With-this-Preview-&-Guide

Do existing sets drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits?

No. Existing sets do not drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits. If you want your rings and necklaces from existing sets to have the new Traits, they need to be retraited at a Transmutation Station.

Items with the new jewelry Traits can only be sourced from specific in-game activities.

For those of you new to the conversation. I do not think its P2W. I in fact agree with the other 2 points. I'm just squashing false information.

efduncanub17_ESO

Its a basic function of MMOs its not pay to win...you want the newest features u buy the expac its simple

DanteYoda

My only issue is if its popular it opens us up to worse decisions in the future..

Numerikuu

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

Numerikuu wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is nothing to fix since it's not P2W.

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Agreed. Jewelry will be tradable so how is it P2W?

You cannot trade transmuted gear. This forces non-DLC users to have to wear a crafted set should want jewelry with the new traits. Those with the dlc can wear two monster/dungeon dropped sets as they can transmute the jewelry from their set of choice.

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

That said, they have stated that Jewellery will drop with the new traits in any case.
This is necessary to allow people to learn the traits.

Wrong
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26357?Check-out-Jewelry-Crafting-With-this-Preview-&-Guide

Do existing sets drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits?

No. Existing sets do not drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits. If you want your rings and necklaces from existing sets to have the new Traits, they need to be retraited at a Transmutation Station.

Items with the new jewelry Traits can only be sourced from specific in-game activities.

And there you have it~

Rair.Kitani

Refuse to buy a new WoW expansion and you're irrelevant as well. Haven't seen a P2W-train there at all.
Even though if you still refuse to buy the expansion/support the game you want to stay competitive in, you still can switch to crafted jewelery and get the dropped sets for any other gear. You don't like the weight the dropped set has? Simple solution, for very specifc problem: Shell out those 20$

Numerikuu

Rair.Kitani wrote: »

Refuse to buy a new WoW expansion and you're irrelevant as well. Haven't seen a P2W-train there at all.
Even though if you still refuse to buy the expansion/support the game you want to stay competitive in, you still can switch to crafted jewelery and get the dropped sets for any other gear. You don't like the weight the dropped set has? Simple solution, for very specifc problem: Shell out those 20$

Haven't seen a P2W-train there at all

Simple solution, for very specifc problem: Shell out those 20$

*coughs*

zaria

DanteYoda wrote: »

My only issue is if its popular it opens us up to worse decisions in the future..

It has been in the game since forever in that you need dlc to get bop gear.

Vostorn

zaria wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

My only issue is if its popular it opens us up to worse decisions in the future..

It has been in the game since forever in that you need dlc to get bop gear.

It goes a step further in this case, as Maura_Neysa said

Maura_Neysa

Numerikuu wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

Numerikuu wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is nothing to fix since it's not P2W.

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Agreed. Jewelry will be tradable so how is it P2W?

You cannot trade transmuted gear. This forces non-DLC users to have to wear a crafted set should want jewelry with the new traits. Those with the dlc can wear two monster/dungeon dropped sets as they can transmute the jewelry from their set of choice.

I think people are mixing Pay for Content with Pay to Win.

Most people are running 1 crafted set and 1 farmed set in my experience.

That said, they have stated that Jewellery will drop with the new traits in any case.
This is necessary to allow people to learn the traits.

Wrong
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26357?Check-out-Jewelry-Crafting-With-this-Preview-&-Guide

Do existing sets drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits?

No. Existing sets do not drop rings and necklaces with the new Traits. If you want your rings and necklaces from existing sets to have the new Traits, they need to be retraited at a Transmutation Station.

Items with the new jewelry Traits can only be sourced from specific in-game activities.

And there you have it~

And yet if you run... Julianos/Moondance - Hundings/VO - Shaklebreaker/7th - Mechanical/War Machine - Seducers/Lich - Kagrenac's - Twice Born - Armor Masters - Eternal Hunt... Well then, absolutely nothing has changed

Numerikuu

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

And yet if you run... Julianos/Moondance - Hundings/VO - Shaklebreaker/7th - Mechanical/War Machine - Seducers/Lich - Kagrenac's - Twice Born - Armor Masters - Eternal Hunt... Well then, absolutely nothing has changed

Magdk, Silks of Sun + BSW with Bloodthirsty... gotta get the chapter + cwc. Either that or stick to Julianos, but you loose out on 101 extra spell damage.

Drakoleon

Jewelry Crafting should be part of the standard game! Everything else is funboys BS arguments

Maura_Neysa

Numerikuu wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

And yet if you run... Julianos/Moondance - Hundings/VO - Shaklebreaker/7th - Mechanical/War Machine - Seducers/Lich - Kagrenac's - Twice Born - Armor Masters - Eternal Hunt... Well then, absolutely nothing has changed

Magdk, Silks of Sun + BSW with Bloodthirsty... gotta get the chapter + cwc. Either that or stick to Julianos, but you loose out on 101 extra spell damage.

No one is going to run Bloodthirsty over Infused. Bonus damage under 25% isn't worth bonus damage all the time. I also didnt think anyone ran Silks of the Sun anymore, not since BSW displaced it.