Anniversary Event & Motifs Prices

Lord_Eomer

Event is going well, lots of players are everywhere doing crafting daily, world boss daily or undaunted daily.

Motifs pages prices are dropping a lot, seems like everyone bagging 20-30 motif per day.

This event is truly killing Motif farming @ Dungeons / Daily Quest, atleast for next 2 months. ZOS want to make players happy but not able to maintain ESO economy balance.

Its like now every event is causing up and down to ESO economy balance.

Kiralyn2000

And who is it that decides what the "proper" price for motifs is, and that motif selling is the primary measure of "economic balance"? (hey, maybe motif prices are too high, and this event helps bring things back into balance! )


Personally, I love this event - it gets motifs into the hands of all the players who aren't a 'big deal' in the economy, and were never going to buy those expensive motifs in the first place.



...and don't worry, I'm not helping to deflate your motif prices. I don't sell anything, so any motifs I don't use either just sit in my bank for my next crafting alt or get deleted.

Katahdin

Motifs are probably one of the biggest gold makers in the game.

ZoS nerfing the ability to make tons of gold, because it will curb inflation and spread the wealth somewhat.

They also prefer you to buy that 3.8M house with ~10K crowns instead of gold.

You can still make gold but for most players that can't or don't want to turn the game into a second job farming gold, it takes so much longer. The hope (by ZoS) is for you to buy crowns instead.

Huyen

They are crashing the prices like they did prior to morrowind to avoid prices going through the roof. Its a good way to keep ingame economics healthy.

rhapsodious

They're not going to be completely worthless and there are still plenty of people who, after the event, can't/won't run the dungeons/dailies for the motifs. The market for them will recover, maybe not back to pre-event levels, but it'll go back up.

I don't think it's anything insidious, just a nice gesture. Gold tempers will always sell, so you have those to fall back on.

Lord_Eomer

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

And who is it that decides what the "proper" price for motifs is, and that motif selling is the primary measure of "economic balance"? (hey, maybe motif prices are too high, and this event helps bring things back into balance! )


Personally, I love this event - it gets motifs into the hands of all the players who aren't a 'big deal' in the economy, and were never going to buy those expensive motifs in the first place.



...and don't worry, I'm not helping to deflate your motif prices. I don't sell anything, so any motifs I don't use either just sit in my bank for my next crafting alt or get deleted.

I do not care about motif selling or their prices but its like ESO economy suffers due to these events.

New players doing daily writs (easiest way to farm motifs currently) and getting good motifs drops easily without doing much efforts seems not a good gesture.

drkfrontiers

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

I do not care about motif selling or their prices but its like ESO economy suffers due to these events.

New players doing daily writs (easiest way to farm motifs currently) and getting good motifs drops easily without doing much efforts seems not a good gesture.

I assume then that you are not opening them so that you can acquire them through hard effort as you mention? I'm sure that you live by your convictions am I right?

Dapper Dinosaur

I do wish the dungeon pages didn't drop in these. While I'm all for getting another way to earn motifs that any pleb with hands can earn eventually through repetition of simple tasks, I don't think people that lack the skill to acquire the dungeon pages should have any other way to get them. The pages are supposed to be an incentive for players to better themselves so they can clear the harder content, and events like this ruin that.

driosketch

We have already seen this from the prior year. Glass motif never recovered from its crash. Easy to farm motif pages like Dwemer will sell for less. Dungeon and hard to farm motifs may recover somewhat, remember ZOS tweaked drop rates with the outfit system. Also newer motifs will take the place of the old money makers, just like BA did.

xbobx

i would be happy getting 10k for all my motifs sitting in a newly bought chest to hold them.

that would net me about 500k

Juju_beans

It's temporary. Prices will go back up after the event is over.

Merlin13KAGL

"Economy balance" doesn't mean 50k-200k for a single motif page.

Akrasjel

The sky is falling

NyassaV

Katahdin wrote: »

Motifs are probably one of the biggest gold makers in the game.

ZoS nerfing the ability to make tons of gold, because it will curb inflation and spread the wealth somewhat.

They also prefer you to buy that 3.8M house with ~10K crowns instead of gold.

You can still make gold but for most players that can't or don't want to turn the game into a second job farming gold, it takes so much longer. The hope (by ZoS) is for you to buy crowns instead.

Worm isn't on the crown store

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Same thing happened last year. First, most players arent getting 20-30 a day. My data is certainly not controlling, but I am average a motif at a rate of about 1/4 boxes. I dont think "most" people are doing 100 dailys each day, but certainly some are. Second, the vast majority of these motifs are the common Morrowind motifs (telvanni redoran or hlaalu), and they werent that expensive to begin with.

I will do what I did last year. Use it as an opportunity in the next week or two to make sure I have every motif in the game when they are cheap, and sit on any of the more rare motifs I found for 2-3 months when the prices will return to their new normal.

Minno

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Same thing happened last year. First, most players arent getting 20-30 a day. My data is certainly not controlling, but I am average a motif at a rate of about 1/4 boxes. I dont think "most" people are doing 100 dailys each day, but certainly some are. Second, the vast majority of these motifs are the common Morrowind motifs (telvanni redoran or hlaalu), and they werent that expensive to begin with.

I will do what I did last year. Use it as an opportunity in the next week or two to make sure I have every motif in the game when they are cheap, and sit on any of the more rare motifs I found for 2-3 months when the prices will return to their new normal.

I got maybe one worm cult out of 3-4 days of dalies via crafting ive done. The others were covenant chests, some gloves and a dagger.

The worm cult sold for over 44k; which I used to buy mats for my pvp toon. So it's not like the gold didn't get recirculated back into the market

DeadlyRecluse

"ESO Economy Balance" is not a static thing to be maintained. That's now how markets work.

Recremen

I like people having nice things, so this is a great event from my own point of view. I may already have all the motifs (except some of Worm Cult), but I'm not into the exclusivity factor of it at all, I just like having options. More people having more options is great, to heck with the economy!

Cpt_Teemo

Huyen wrote: »

They are crashing the prices like they did prior to morrowind to avoid prices going through the roof. Its a good way to keep ingame economics healthy.

And to keep people away from the cash shop so bad for ZoS lol

Cpt_Teemo

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

"ESO Economy Balance" is not a static thing to be maintained. That's now how markets work.

This market is beyond saving, the global AH would have a better balance than any trade system without one

Kiralyn2000

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Same thing happened last year. First, most players arent getting 20-30 a day. My data is certainly not controlling, but I am average a motif at a rate of about 1/4 boxes. I dont think "most" people are doing 100 dailys each day, but certainly some are. Second, the vast majority of these motifs are the common Morrowind motifs (telvanni redoran or hlaalu), and they werent that expensive to begin with.

I've been doing ~54 boxes a day, and getting 9-12 motifs, so it's been closer to 1/5 for me.

Most I've gotten of any one motif is 5 pages.

5: Apostle, Silken Ring, Morag Tong
4: Mazzatun, Ashlander, Akaviri
3: Celestial, Worm Cult, Trinimac, Ebonshadow, Hlallu
2: Telvani, Ancient Orc, Dro-Mathra, Glass, Bloodforge,
1: Dreadhorn, Xivkyn, Daggerfall, Outlaw, Yokudan, Ebonheart, Dwemer, Aldmiri, Thief, Redoran


I've eaten most of them. Not planning to sell any (still had a pile of dupes from last year on a mule; gave them to my second 'big' crafter).

eso_nya

Worth of an item is always based on how long does it take to aquire. In eso, u have a basevalue of 20k/hour netgain for crafting green food to sell to npc. Thus anything that takes less than an hour to aquire is not worth 20k gold. Farming and selling stuff for less than 20k that took longer than an hour to get is a bad idea likewise.

If something like the current event is happening, continuing to farm motif books for selling is prolly a waste of time.
That is really bad for the motif farmer and will cause ppl to stop farming motifs (cause its a waste of time). That decreases the amount of motifs available for sale. And that will increase the prices again. To the point were motifs get so rare and expensive, that ppl start farming them themselves again. (surprise: its a cycle \o/)

And the whole time, "the economy" didnt give a damn.

Luckily, in a virtual world, noones gonna starve, when its source of income runs dry. Well aslong as u r not a pvper or progressive raider who is addicted to buying houses xD

QuebraRegra

20 or 30 pages a day!?!?!? um, I'm not seeing those drop rates...

Cpt_Teemo

QuebraRegra wrote: »

20 or 30 pages a day!?!?!? um, I'm not seeing those drop rates...

Same here mostly about 5-10 per day on all 15 chars doing 6 daily writs so that's 90 dailies a day for me for 5-10 motifs

Dapper Dinosaur

Worth of an item is always based on how long does it take to aquire. In eso, u have a basevalue of 20k/hour netgain for crafting green food to sell to npc. Thus anything that takes less than an hour to aquire is not worth 20k gold. Farming and selling stuff for less than 20k that took longer than an hour to get is a bad idea likewise.

This formula falls flat when you consider that any remotely competent group can speedrun Cradle Hardmode in less than 30 minutes and walk away with 4 pages of a motif that sells for 40k+ per page.

Kiralyn2000

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

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Worth of an item is always based on how long does it take to aquire. In eso, u have a basevalue of 20k/hour netgain for crafting green food to sell to npc. Thus anything that takes less than an hour to aquire is not worth 20k gold. Farming and selling stuff for less than 20k that took longer than an hour to get is a bad idea likewise.

This formula falls flat when you consider that any remotely competent group can speedrun Cradle Hardmode in less than 30 minutes and walk away with 4 pages of a motif that sells for 40k+ per page.

If they're that "easy" to obtain, why are/should they be 40k+?

AlnilamE

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

I do wish the dungeon pages didn't drop in these. While I'm all for getting another way to earn motifs that any pleb with hands can earn eventually through repetition of simple tasks, I don't think people that lack the skill to acquire the dungeon pages should have any other way to get them. The pages are supposed to be an incentive for players to better themselves so they can clear the harder content, and events like this ruin that.

You do realize the pages also drop in normal mode, right?

OP, seriously, let people have fun. I've not had so many guildies on at the same time in a while and they are having a blast.

Katahdin

NyassaV wrote: »

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Katahdin wrote: »

Motifs are probably one of the biggest gold makers in the game.

ZoS nerfing the ability to make tons of gold, because it will curb inflation and spread the wealth somewhat.

They also prefer you to buy that 3.8M house with ~10K crowns instead of gold.

You can still make gold but for most players that can't or don't want to turn the game into a second job farming gold, it takes so much longer. The hope (by ZoS) is for you to buy crowns instead.

Worm isn't on the crown store

Read my post again.
I did not say worm was on the crown store....
I know it's not on the crown store....yet
It will be or in crown crates at some point guaranteed

Silver_Strider

I've been pretty busy with this event and have had pretty bad luck in regards to motifs. Most of them have been duplicates of motifs I already had (Trinimac/Malacath/Outlaw/etc.) so I just sell those but the motifs that I was looking forward to getting (Silken Ring, BA, Worm, House motifs, etc.) have been extremely scarce and their prices in traders don't seem to have dropped much either (at least on PS4 NA).

Event is over soon too so it doesn't look like I'll be getting the motifs I want unless I buy or farm them so it becomes business as usual for me again with me selling my duplicates and buying what I need/want.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

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Worth of an item is always based on how long does it take to aquire. In eso, u have a basevalue of 20k/hour netgain for crafting green food to sell to npc. Thus anything that takes less than an hour to aquire is not worth 20k gold. Farming and selling stuff for less than 20k that took longer than an hour to get is a bad idea likewise.

This formula falls flat when you consider that any remotely competent group can speedrun Cradle Hardmode in less than 30 minutes and walk away with 4 pages of a motif that sells for 40k+ per page.

If that were true, cradle motifs wouldn’t sell for what they sell for. The percent of the player base that has COSHM on farm is very very small. That fight is arguably the second or third hardest 4 man fight in the game. Personally, I think it’s harder than either HOTR dungeon and perhaps harder than Fang Lair once you get the hang of the later. Only HM I will say that is definitely harder than it is scalecaller.

What he was describing is essentially the lowest common denominator for gold farming by virtually anyone. The reason that COS nets more than that per hour in a farm is because most of the playerbase can’t do it.

jedtb16_ESO

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

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DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

"ESO Economy Balance" is not a static thing to be maintained. That's now how markets work.

This market is beyond saving, the global AH would have a better balance than any trade system without one

rubbish.

the event means that more people have the opportunity for involvement, and that is a good thing.