Since Morrowind is coming to ESO Plus...

davidj8291

I have several questions:
1. If we already paid $30+ for the Expansion, we don't have to pay again for the Warden if we are ESO Plus members, correct? Since it's a crown store purchase and all when this change occurs.
2. Will there be some form of compensation for we players who have been dedicated Plus members AND purchased Morrowind, since ALL of us will have basically paid MORE money for what it should have been in the first place? Such as Crowns or something to that effect.

Appreciate a real response from @ZOS_GinaBruno or someone with equal authority/knowledge. Thanks.

OGLezard

Wow I had no idea this was happening.... so basically we are paying for early access with chapters lol

supaskrub

davidj8291 wrote: »

I have several questions:
1. If we already paid $30+ for the Expansion, we don't have to pay again for the Warden if we are ESO Plus members, correct? Since it's a crown store purchase and all when this change occurs.
2. Will there be some form of compensation for we players who have been dedicated Plus members AND purchased Morrowind, since ALL of us will have basically paid MORE money for what it should have been in the first place? Such as Crowns or something to that effect.

Appreciate a real response from @ZOS_GinaBruno or someone with equal authority/knowledge. Thanks.

wow, just wow!

I don't want compensation, I will have played it for a year until it arrives on ESO+ and feel i have had my moneys worth, sorry but I think you are being a little too 'entitled' here and nothing ZOS are doing is unheard of in the gaming industry, infact its more common practice than unheard of.

Kiralyn2000

davidj8291 wrote: »

2. Will there be some form of compensation for we players who have been dedicated Plus members AND purchased Morrowind, since ALL of us will have basically paid MORE money for what it should have been in the first place? Such as Crowns or something to that effect.

Why?

Do you also expect "compensation" when, a year after you bought a full-price game and all it's full-price DLC, the GotY Edition comes out and gives new players everything for $40?

Kalante

If i bought it i better own it. If i need eso plus to play it ZOS will dig it's own grave.

jssriot

Nah.

i have access to Warden class. The ESO+ version will not.

I have been able to play the content all this time, including access to teh WBs and HoF, so I never had to tell people I couldn't do WB runs or a HoF run because i didn't have access. Several of my toons have skill points from Vvard, which I have been putting to good use, and I made gold selling motifs I farmed there.

i got my money's worth out of it. And it's old content now. So, don't care.

SpiderKnight

No need for compensation, but you bet I'll be pissed if I can't access outside of eso+. I paid for it already, just like I paid for Wrothgar and DB so when I remove eso+ for a bit I can still access.

Juju_beans

People..if you bought it it's yours..eso+ or not.

It's becoming part of eso+ dlc for those that have eso+ but never got morrowind.

GeorgeBlack

No you get nothing

Odnoc

Compensated? So you're saying you didn't play any of the content at all? If so I don't see how you think you're entitled to a refund for content other people had to wait a year for..

RupzSkooma

Am 100% sure if you own Morrowind u won't need ESO plus to play it lol
But still they could have said 1 year early access for non-crown store or two plus sale rather than exclusive.
Very cheap marketing.

Delta1038

You did get something, you got to play Morrowind for a year before other people did and got to enjoy the story, locale, gear, etc.. i am glad I bought it and have already done so for Summerset, so when the next chapter comes out a year later and they do the same with Summerset, I will be looking forward to buying that one too.

RupzSkooma

Delta1038 wrote: »

You did get something, you got to play Morrowind for a year before other people did and got to enjoy the story, locale, gear, etc.. i am glad I bought it and have already done so for Summerset, so when the next chapter comes out a year later and they do the same with Summerset, I will be looking forward to buying that one too.

The problem is they should have been upfront about it...they were dishonest.Now we know what to expect but we didn't just a year ago.A year is not much of a time even in gaming industry.For WOW it is 2 years.
I'll cancel my digital collector edition of SS chapter because I am not interested in Jwellery crafting.
It is not about Morrowind being cheaper...which is expected but it is about including in the subscription without any prior notice at it's release.

clocksstoppe

There is nothing entitled about asking for compensation in this one case. Do I really need to remind everyone that ZOS *** over Plus members by lying to us, then charging ridiculous prices for a dlc tier new zone, and now giving us the second middle finger by never telling us they intended to turn these into regular dlcs as they should have been from the start?

Mannix1958

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

No you get nothing

Not true they keep what they have just nothing new

Delta1038

RupzSkoma, you assume dishonesty, unless you are on their marketing and strategy board you do not know. Maybe they had intended to do thigs differently, maybe this is always what they had planned. We will never know but there is no dishonesty here, just something you do not care for. They never lied because they never said anything about it. Also a year is very much a long time in the gaming industry, extremely long as a matter of fact. In an industry of constantly changing interests, technology, and cultural trends in which games can work off of, a year is a big deal.
Who cares what WoW does, they are different games, WoW does not set the standard to which all games must meet. Summerset has Jewelry crafting sure, it also has new areas, quests, gear, creatures, etc., if that does not entice you or you feel cheaped out from Morrowind, that is fine. But I know that I got exactly what I expected and more from Morrowind and totally am fine with the way they are packaging Summerset and see no reason anyone should be “compensated”.

RupzSkooma

Delta1038 wrote: »

RupzSkoma, you assume dishonesty, unless you are on their marketing and strategy board you do not know. Maybe they had intended to do thigs differently, maybe this is always what they had planned. We will never know but there is no dishonesty here, just something you do not care for. They never lied because they never said anything about it. Also a year is very much a long time in the gaming industry, extremely long as a matter of fact. In an industry of constantly changing interests, technology, and cultural trends in which games can work off of, a year is a big deal.
Who cares what WoW does, they are different games, WoW does not set the standard to which all games must meet. Summerset has Jewelry crafting sure, it also has new areas, quests, gear, creatures, etc., if that does not entice you or you feel cheaped out from Morrowind, that is fine. But I know that I got exactly what I expected and more from Morrowind and totally am fine with the way they are packaging Summerset and see no reason anyone should be “compensated”.

Lying or not it was their mistake.They should have told us during it's release.
1 year is not a huge time for online products and I am in the industry (game_engine programmer and a fullStack webDev and an active gamer for 20 years).
What they did was either they being dishonest or made a mistake not knowing.
It is not consumer entitlement rather consumer expectation to get a compensation.

I always like to get what I pay for.I don't like paying for things I would not use.If I can get summerset isle without Jewellery crafting after a year I'll take that.

Reason for them getting compensation because.
1)They said ESO plus member will not get Morrowind.Which is not true.

I wasn't an ESO plus member when Morrowind launched so IDC about that but the people who were legimately need to get compensated.
For me I would have loved to purchase Morrowind without Warden class.Even though Warden class is now my main but that is because I forced myself to create a new toon as I paid for warden class.

Another game of the same genre is doing something(being upfront to the consumer) better and you are saying why should eso follow it.Personally I hate WoW but I can't find the logic behind it.I can say the same for Guild Wars 2.

Delta1038

Maybe it was a mistake, cannot say as I am not in on their strategy meetings. We will call length of time a matter of opinion because I have heard countless complaints about it being a long time from people who are also in the industry.

But it is true, they did not get it for a year. They may want to clarify the language but it is accurate statement to a point. You do not get to pick and chose what you want from a pre-order, they decide what options they want to out out and do so. Then we, consumers, decide which is closest to out interests. I would have been happy to have an ESO with PvP, dueling, battlegrounds, etc., but that is not how it worls so why would I complain about it?

Honestly though this is a pointles debate as it just seems foolish, regardless of a stance there will be no compensation and frankly I would be insulted if they gave me one. I knew what I was getting and I could have easily guessed that this would have been an option in the future. I do not care about what just appears to me to be entitlement issues and people not understanding buisness. And while I am far from an expert on many things, business is one thing I do know and Zeni has made perfect sense from start to finish on this.

I am saying comparing games and the business models associated with one game versus another does not matter, there are plenty of games that do things I wish other games would, does not mean I can criticize as I do not know the inner workings of that business and the reasons for or against a decision. At this point I wish every developer was like Techland because of Dying Light, but it does little good to complain or compare them. As I said, do I think it was a mistake to do this? Possibly, they should clean up language to create less ambiguity, but do I think it warrants compensation as it allegidly dishonest, no,

RupzSkooma

Delta1038 wrote: »

Maybe it was a mistake, cannot say as I am not in on their strategy meetings. We will call length of time a matter of opinion because I have heard countless complaints about it being a long time from people who are also in the industry.

But it is true, they did not get it for a year. They may want to clarify the language but it is accurate statement to a point. You do not get to pick and chose what you want from a pre-order, they decide what options they want to out out and do so. Then we, consumers, decide which is closest to out interests. I would have been happy to have an ESO with PvP, dueling, battlegrounds, etc., but that is not how it worls so why would I complain about it?

Honestly though this is a pointles debate as it just seems foolish, regardless of a stance there will be no compensation and frankly I would be insulted if they gave me one. I knew what I was getting and I could have easily guessed that this would have been an option in the future. I do not care about what just appears to me to be entitlement issues and people not understanding buisness. And while I am far from an expert on many things, business is one thing I do know and Zeni has made perfect sense from start to finish on this.

It is not entitlement issue rather people forgetting the consumers rights especially when it comes to online games and even more so this crowd.They said ESO plus members will not get it and probably u would have said the same if they received it after 2 months of Morrowind release.That is why loot boxes/gambling crates in this game is kicking.
I know about this industry quite a bit now to make a fair judgement about this matter.
It was a clear case of false marketing.

phaneub17_ESO

Think of it as $15 purchased for the DLC of Vvardenfell and whatever you paid extra went to buying the Warden Class. I just wanted the Warden Class, the zone is extra bonus.

Mannix1958

RupzSkooma wrote: »

Delta1038 wrote: »

RupzSkoma, you assume dishonesty, unless you are on their marketing and strategy board you do not know. Maybe they had intended to do thigs differently, maybe this is always what they had planned. We will never know but there is no dishonesty here, just something you do not care for. They never lied because they never said anything about it. Also a year is very much a long time in the gaming industry, extremely long as a matter of fact. In an industry of constantly changing interests, technology, and cultural trends in which games can work off of, a year is a big deal.
Who cares what WoW does, they are different games, WoW does not set the standard to which all games must meet. Summerset has Jewelry crafting sure, it also has new areas, quests, gear, creatures, etc., if that does not entice you or you feel cheaped out from Morrowind, that is fine. But I know that I got exactly what I expected and more from Morrowind and totally am fine with the way they are packaging Summerset and see no reason anyone should be “compensated”.

Lying or not it was their mistake.They should have told us during it's release.
1 year is not a huge time for online products and I am in the industry (game_engine programmer and a fullStack webDev and an active gamer for 20 years).
What they did was either they being dishonest or made a mistake not knowing.
It is not consumer entitlement rather consumer expectation to get a compensation.

I always like to get what I pay for.I don't like paying for things I would not use.If I can get summerset isle without Jewellery crafting after a year I'll take that.

Reason for them getting compensation because.
1)They said ESO plus member will not get Morrowind.Which is not true.

I wasn't an ESO plus member when Morrowind launched so IDC about that but the people who were legimately need to get compensated.
For me I would have loved to purchase Morrowind without Warden class.Even though Warden class is now my main but that is because I forced myself to create a new toon as I paid for warden class.

Another game of the same genre is doing something(being upfront to the consumer) better and you are saying why should eso follow it.Personally I hate WoW but I can't find the logic behind it.I can say the same for Guild Wars 2.

So they can rectify it by giving you free the new version of the base game but you'll lose your Warden as its going the crown store isn't it?

This happens a lot in the industry you are involved in and happens with other products as well. As mentioned you got earlier access and all that came from it.

VaranisArano

Morrowind (zone) turns out to be a DLC after all, so why weren't ESO+ members given free access to the Morrowind (zone) from the beginning?

Oh, right, because ZOS bundled this DLC with Warden and Battlegrounds, called it a chapter, and charged ESO+ members cash for it. A year later, ZOS admits Morrowind (zone) is actually a DLC after all and tries to gloss over the whole ESO+ members get free DLC (not free access to most DLC except for the one we stuck in a chapter, that DLC you get a year later) issue.

To apply this to current events, if ZOS makes Summerset Isles (Zone) into a DLC next year, why isn't Summerset Isles (zone) a DLC now for ESO+ members? The only thing that changes is the age of the content and that its only available through inclusion in a "Chapter" package deal with other content. Its still a DLC.

Juju_beans

If they just rolled it into the base and didn't make it a dlc for eso+ then eso+ folks who never got morrowind would need to buy a base upgrade to get morrowind. What they did was make it available for free for eso+ folks that didn't get morrowind.

eso+ folks that didn't buy morrowind are getting something for free without having to pay out additional money..a perk for the eso+ folks.

Juju_beans

davidj8291 wrote: »

I have several questions:
1. If we already paid $30+ for the Expansion, we don't have to pay again for the Warden if we are ESO Plus members, correct? Since it's a crown store purchase and all when this change occurs.
2. Will there be some form of compensation for we players who have been dedicated Plus members AND purchased Morrowind, since ALL of us will have basically paid MORE money for what it should have been in the first place? Such as Crowns or something to that effect.

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Well now that you know how they handle expansions you can make the decision not to buy Summerset and wait a year until the next expansion comes out and Summerset is rolled into the base.

VaranisArano

Juju_beans wrote: »

If they just rolled it into the base and didn't make it a dlc for eso+ then eso+ folks who never got morrowind would need to buy a base upgrade to get morrowind. What they did was make it available for free for eso+ folks that didn't get morrowind.

eso+ folks that didn't buy morrowind are getting something for free without having to pay out additional money..a perk for the eso+ folks.

And ESO+ people who did buy Morrowind had to pay for the Morrowind(zone) DLC they should have gotten for free because its a DLC.

I mean this is great for new players and ESO+ members who didn't buy Morrowind. They get Morrowind zone DLC, Battlegrounds base game and can buy the Warden upgrade.

Its not so nice for any ESO+ member who bought Morrowind because it turns out the Morrowind (zone) was a DLC all along while ZOS charged them for it in the Chapter bundle.

Cpt_Teemo

davidj8291 wrote: »

I have several questions:
1. If we already paid $30+ for the Expansion, we don't have to pay again for the Warden if we are ESO Plus members, correct? Since it's a crown store purchase and all when this change occurs.
2. Will there be some form of compensation for we players who have been dedicated Plus members AND purchased Morrowind, since ALL of us will have basically paid MORE money for what it should have been in the first place? Such as Crowns or something to that effect.

Appreciate a real response from @ZOS_GinaBruno or someone with equal authority/knowledge. Thanks.

I want compensation since I held onto my sandwich for a year !

Juju_beans

VaranisArano wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

If they just rolled it into the base and didn't make it a dlc for eso+ then eso+ folks who never got morrowind would need to buy a base upgrade to get morrowind. What they did was make it available for free for eso+ folks that didn't get morrowind.

eso+ folks that didn't buy morrowind are getting something for free without having to pay out additional money..a perk for the eso+ folks.

And ESO+ people who did buy Morrowind had to pay for the Morrowind(zone) DLC they should have gotten for free because its a DLC.

I mean this is great for new players and ESO+ members who didn't buy Morrowind. They get Morrowind zone DLC, Battlegrounds base game and can buy the Warden upgrade.

Its not so nice for any ESO+ member who bought Morrowind because it turns out the Morrowind (zone) was a DLC all along while ZOS charged them for it in the Chapter bundle.

Well you have the choice now not to buy Summerset knowing that chapters are rolled into the base/become a DLC when the next new chapter comes out.

Some people like to play the most current version of a game and pay for it. Your money, your choice.

It became a DLC when the next new chapter comes out which is good for eso+ folks as they don't need to buy an upgrade.
Non eso+ will have to buy an upgrade if they want morrowind.

Malmai

Its strange ...

Argruna

davidj8291 wrote: »

I have several questions:
1. If we already paid $30+ for the Expansion, we don't have to pay again for the Warden if we are ESO Plus members, correct? Since it's a crown store purchase and all when this change occurs.
2. Will there be some form of compensation for we players who have been dedicated Plus members AND purchased Morrowind, since ALL of us will have basically paid MORE money for what it should have been in the first place? Such as Crowns or something to that effect.

Appreciate a real response from @ZOS_GinaBruno or someone with equal authority/knowledge. Thanks.

If we are demanding compensation, where's mine for having to buy a sub all that time before the sub became optional or dealing with the beta?

Do some research there, bucko. The crown store has it separated out. There is the zone, the warden class, and the collectibles all separated out. Guess what? Those buying Morrowind from the crown store and didn't do the Summerset pre-order will be spending more than you spent on the digital upgrade. Zone alone will probably be on par with CWC and be around 2,000 crowns. The collectibles? Ballpark would probably be 1,000 or 1,500 maybe more. Warden by itself? Definitely won't be cheap and I can see starting at 1,500 (on par with the vamp/wolf lines) or more. So all totaled, that's about 4,000 crowns right there. 5,500 crowns is 39.99. Also gotta remember the eso+ gives 1,500 crowns a month so they definitely need to equate that into the mix, like they did with the housing and why they can cost upwards of $60+ in real money.

VaranisArano

Argruna wrote: »

davidj8291 wrote: »

I have several questions:
1. If we already paid $30+ for the Expansion, we don't have to pay again for the Warden if we are ESO Plus members, correct? Since it's a crown store purchase and all when this change occurs.
2. Will there be some form of compensation for we players who have been dedicated Plus members AND purchased Morrowind, since ALL of us will have basically paid MORE money for what it should have been in the first place? Such as Crowns or something to that effect.

Appreciate a real response from @ZOS_GinaBruno or someone with equal authority/knowledge. Thanks.

If we are demanding compensation, where's mine for having to buy a sub all that time before the sub became optional or dealing with the beta?

Do some research there, bucko. The crown store has it separated out. There is the zone, the warden class, and the collectibles all separated out. Guess what? Those buying Morrowind from the crown store and didn't do the Summerset pre-order will be spending more than you spent on the digital upgrade. Zone alone will probably be on par with CWC and be around 2,000 crowns. The collectibles? Ballpark would probably be 1,000 or 1,500 maybe more. Warden by itself? Definitely won't be cheap and I can see starting at 1,500 (on par with the vamp/wolf lines) or more. So all totaled, that's about 4,000 crowns right there. 5,500 crowns is 39.99. Also gotta remember the eso+ gives 1,500 crowns a month so they definitely need to equate that into the mix, like they did with the housing and why they can cost upwards of $60+ in real money.

Problem is, ESO+ members had to pay at all for the Vvardenfell (zone) DLC that should have been included with their subscriptions but wasn't because ZOS bundled it into a "totally-not-bundled-DLC" Chapter.

ESO+ include all DLC, not "All DLC, except for the ones we bundle into a Chapter for a year and then you can have it." But since ZOS has now changed the terms to something closer to the latter, they should have had the decency to upfront about it.

Ohtimbar

There's nothing new here, it's all fairly standard even within eso. Crown exclusive mounts, for instance, are only 'exclusive' until they're added to crates some time later. I preordered Morrowind and I have no issue with this at all. If zos wants to 'compensate' me they're welcome to, but I couldn't care less.