What makes you leave a guild?

PrayingSeraph

1) Political correctness if its a social guild. Humour tends to be non existent in such guilds, or utterly lame and unfunny "humour".

2) Mandatory meetings really turn me away. No, if I am questing or doing something I want to do, I refuse to ditch it just to twiddle my thumbs listening to other guild members talk about things I don't particularly card about.

3) Elitist attitudes. Stop taking the game too seriously people, you are not impressive looking when you talk down to some newer player asking questions.

Coppes

Quantity over Quality, bonus points for inactivity despite this.

Runschei

A quite noticeable core in the guild where you can't get into the community properly.
No one replying in chat.
No activity.

supaskrub

When the GM blatantly lets accounts linked to gold sellers sell wax through the guild..

MerlinPendragon

When guild leadership is concentrated in only one or two people and they run it in an obnoxious and heavy handed fashion.

NewBlacksmurf

Dominoid wrote: »

Mandatory weekly fees.

This and sometimes the Guild turns from what it was to a different ingame focus leaving PvE out and often going full tilt in PvP so someone can get Emperor....usually ends bad and i log in and there’s like 12 ppl vs 300 on roster with a new update message.......

AEAltadoonPadhome

For trading guilds, I join them when I have lots of stuff to sell and I leave them when I dont have stuff to sell or if they dont have a trader so I can sell my stuff.

For raiding guilds (most of my guilds):
- Not being in a core group with regular raids on fixed times/days, raids not planned in advance/not at times on which I can join
- Having constantly changing groups with people leaving after a few failed tries
- People being either way more hardcore than me (playing way more than me and giving no room for RL stuff or having a job, so I cant keep up with the rest)
- Or too casual with no experience nor progression or ambition eventually towards HM DLC trials

IMO the perfect raiding guild consists of 13-15 people who join always on the same days a week, have the same attitude and goals/things they want to achieve and work for, roughly similar level of skill and can work together as a team, being nice to each other and helping each other out rather than competing. Counts for both PvE and PvP.

Of course, anything of the above also is bad, such as drama, bullying, fees which are not causing profit, toxic people, etc.

dtsharples

I left 1 guild only, when the GM told me I wasnt attending enough trial nights.
(This is after every week for the previous 2 months being told that my trial spot had already been taken - so go figure)

^^ This is ideal. AEAltadoonPadhome
But you try making that happen in reality. I wish you luck.

I have been doing exactly this (from within a social guild) for more than 2 years.
The only time we really managed to make it work 100% was maybe 4 months in late 2016 when we just happened to have the right team, on the right days of the week in the perfect roles. And we smashed everything.

But since then, it has been an uphill struggle all over again to find a suitable team.
People don't want to wait, don't want to learn or persevere for even a few weeks. They expect to be carried like in all other content.

As for guilds in general - don't kid yourself that leaving has any effect if you aren't giving anything back. Nobody is going to miss you.
Guilds are built as a community, not to pander to your every whim.
Get involved. Ask how You can help other people. Don't expect someone to join you on your vCoAsh run, if 30mins earlier you totally ignored their LFM for a nWayrest. Guilds are built on give and take. Start giving and you'll notice a huge upturn in the help that is also offered back to you.

mikemacon

For me, it was a combo of toxic elitism and a really pushy "420-friendly" guildmaster.

It began as a pretty decent social/PVE guild that caught the vet trials bug, and then everything went pear shaped quickly.

To top it off, the guildmaster would constantly narrate his bowl packing/bowl smoking/which sweetleaf to buy and from whom commentary.

It got really old very, very quickly.

We get it, Bob (not his real name), you smoke dope. High five...I guess. Now shut the @&#% up about it. I couldn't care less, but you're really starting to get on my nerves with the constant 420 chatter.

The final straw was the elitism, though. There was a guild-run normal MOL run where the guild officer running it was berating very new players who couldn't "get" the encounter. Honestly, the majority of the problem was that he couldn't explain his way out of a wet paper bag that he wasn't even put into in the first place.

That was my last straw. Didn't make a fuss, didn't post a "you all suck" rant on their Band, just left. Immediately.

Found an infinitely better, vastly more laid-back social/PVE/PVP guild, and have stuck with them.

SteveCampsOut

AlienSlof wrote: »

Weekly fees are a no-no. Also blatant elitism. A dead guild isn't worth sticking in, either.

***! If you want a guild trader, you need to support the guild. It's just that simple! Nothing "Elitist" about it!

kichwas

Yet to leave an ESO guild.

I might soon, as I appear to be in one that is dead.

So my reasons:

• Guild is dead. Everybody left, how did I not notice this? 'closes the door'.
• Getting knocked off of a raid spot before there's been any reasons. Getting my own raid poached by officers in my own guild. Left an FFXIV guild over this. Got a tank spot, show up on raid night, 15 minutes past start time I notice they're all in the raid zone but the invite never went out. Raid lead used private invites to avoid me seeing it and replaced my spot with a member of the 'guild clique', and avoided even telling me ahead of time so I'd rushed home and spent an hour prepping before hand... So I started another raid with some members that didn't make the time-slot of the original one, after moving my schedule around... another member of the guild clique hopped into my recruitment efforts and poached out half of them, then filled the other half with 'friends' and some who were in the first raid on other characters... I'm actually in the ESO chapter of that guild... but each chapter is run by different people so 'Old Timers' over in FFXIV are jerks, but here I've not seen anything like that.
• Having a raid lead send people personal threats and 'real life insults' because we wiped 3 times on a boss we'd never seen before, and when called out on being so hostile responding with 'it's called leadership bro'. I think his entire guild left at the same time... it's called 'bad leadership'...
• Guild going dead in the things that interest you, but not in other things. As in... guild suffers a change in play style. Like a PvE guild suddenly going all PvP or vice versa. My guild here in ESO a year back actually - the leader of a lot of casual events suddenly stopped. I would have left but I ended up wandering away from ESO for a while instead. Now I'm back, and for now I'll hold on to them since you can have multiple guilds here - but I've yet to look into what they're up to.
• Discovering guild voice is used for a couple of the female members to engage in 'xxx voice chat'... and then they get mad at you for not showing interest in their antics... (I'm too old for those kids... if you're under 30... you're basically 8 in my mind, and unlike some 'fantasy blokes' I was never 'that desperate'). - This ended my time with the guild I used to use for my 'Alliance Alts' in WoW. Because I main Horde it took me a long time to discover this. One day they asked 'hey join us in vent'... so I did. Then I guild-quit...
• Guild sends out a list of the exact gear and build and rotation I -WILL- use. And tells me what class I am allowed to play and how many alts I am allowed to have. This is why I left the guild I was the raid tank for in WoW during the MoP expansion... Because no... (the guy dictating my stuff hadn't even leveled the class I was on, he was just their 'assigned class lead', he mained ranged DPS and I was a Monk Tank. But he'd read a blog from the beta of the expansion that added my class... yet not tried the class once it actually came out).

kichwas

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

1) Political correctness if its a social guild.

"Political Correctness" is just a buzz-phrase engineered by those who don't like being told to stop being racist, sexist jerks. There really is no such thing as 'political correctness'. There is 'treat everyone with decency' vs. 'be racist, sexist, and/or rude and cart out the phrase' you're too PC' when called on it.'

The term exists solely so bigots can deflect and flip the dialog over to victim blaming / shaming. And they've passed the term off so well that a lot of people are now unwittingly aiding their agenda.

So... I'd love to join that guild you're complaining about there.

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There are a lot of words out there used by various causes to shape dialog in such a way that a topic is inherently framed from their point of view. This is one of the most successful examples of the concept of 'framing'. Another one you will be hearing a LOT this year is 'special interest groups' - which I bring up to make it obvious how this works.

Pay attention to ads all over TV in an election year. They will always refer to the other side as 'special interest groups' and their own side as 'concerned citizens'... but if you put on your thinking cap - both sides are actually using that term in the same way, and both sides are really the same kinds of groups. It is just 'linguistic framing' to get you to stop thinking about the 'real issue' and instead go with your 'gut' which is driven instead by 'tribalistic feelings'...

'Political Correctness' is likewise a 'framing' term to get you to not realize what kind of conduct someone is doing... but to instead blame the people they seek to harm.

Diminish

Trading guilds that get sub-par locations, jack their mandatory fee up to 15k/wk, post in the MOTD set prices you must sell your items for, and cry about "undercutting" people.

Yeah, it really happened.

grim_tactics

I usually only leave a guild if they don’t help people run trials and such.

By that I mean, the ones that say they’re a trial/dungeon guild but only run with their group of players and refuse to take others.

I’ve always been down to help new players out but when the guild members refuse to do so that is usually when I call it Quits.

Same with PvP guilds. If you’re going to only run with the same 6-8 ppl don’t be a guild.

PrayingSeraph

kichwas wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

1) Political correctness if its a social guild.

"Political Correctness" is just a buzz-phrase engineered by those who don't like being told to stop being racist, sexist jerks. There really is no such thing as 'political correctness'. There is 'treat everyone with decency' vs. 'be racist, sexist, and/or rude and cart out the phrase' you're too PC' when called on it.'

The term exists solely so bigots can deflect and flip the dialog over to victim blaming / shaming. And they've passed the term off so well that a lot of people are now unwittingly aiding their agenda.

So... I'd love to join that guild you're complaining about there.

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There are a lot of words out there used by various causes to shape dialog in such a way that a topic is inherently framed from their point of view. This is one of the most successful examples of the concept of 'framing'. Another one you will be hearing a LOT this year is 'special interest groups' - which I bring up to make it obvious how this works.

Pay attention to ads all over TV in an election year. They will always refer to the other side as 'special interest groups' and their own side as 'concerned citizens'... but if you put on your thinking cap - both sides are actually using that term in the same way, and both sides are really the same kinds of groups. It is just 'linguistic framing' to get you to stop thinking about the 'real issue' and instead go with your 'gut' which is driven instead by 'tribalistic feelings'...

'Political Correctness' is likewise a 'framing' term to get you to not realize what kind of conduct someone is doing... but to instead blame the people they seek to harm.

You basically just outted yourself as exactly what I am referring to. You even used the tired old "we just advocate for 'human decency' against bigots" flawed point. If this was youtube or something I'd respond to everything you just said, but real world politics is forbidden on these forums and I'd rather not get into trouble with the moderators. Though I found it rather interesting that the very mention of political correctness got you to rant how it doesnt exist which became rather ironic.

Bhaal5

So im going to ask a few questions

* "no one responses to my 'lfg' in txt chat"?
Do you response to others? Or is this a one way street? When you ask is everyone doing nothing or are the already pre occupied with trials or pvp?
* "no sense of humour' allowed"?
This is a diverse group of people, an there are some 'jokes' that arent that funn in the smalleat of circles
* "no one doing any activities"?
When you join a guild, do you just sit back or expect to be spoon feed or actaully offer to run anything yourself? Zos doesnt offer that much in the way of social content, so can be hard in general to get things rolling.
* "forcing you to use external apps"?
Dont know about you guys but i like to play eso not sit around waiting, so using discord has gave us the ability to organise a event/group/raid prior to logging in and once we log in, 5 minutes later we are grouped and already running. Not to mention the social side of things. Ingame does not proved a good platform for this (txt chat is limiting, motd is not effective)
* if there are so many issues? Do you run your own community? Run your own events, trials pvp? Or just complain when it doesnt go your way?

Hoolielulu

Fees and drama. One guild cleared out when the guildmaster started lecturing (sometimes yelling) everyone on what to price items in the store. Two days and the guild was dead.

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wishlist14

I am a serial guild quitter....I have made my own guilds 3 times now and quit them too...lucky I had not yet recruited anyone so it was easy disbanding the guilds.
I don't really belong anywhere. I have tried many times to fit into different guilds but eventually someone will upset me. People like me, I'm very sociable but there is another side to me that needs my own alone time. I need to be totally on my own. There is nowhere to hide when you are surrounded by guildies.
I wish there was a 'hide' option. I also wish I didnt have to have every toon in the same guild. Id love to be able to say have my DC faction characters all in a DC pvp guild and my pve characters in a trials guild and maybe have my ww in an rp guild. That would mean i could have a character for solo play for when i needed some head space. That would be incredibly amazing

Baybaeckz

I have one deal breaker and that elitism in any form. I enjoy raiding/ dungeons and my houses. I have been very lucky and found some wonderful guilds with fabulous people, but have also been exposed to some guilds that the opposite was true. This is a game, please remember that, folks are here to enjoy themselves. When I have left guilds routinely it’s because of contraindications of what’s tolerable and what’s appropriate behaviors. So it all depends upon that, at least for me