That's for all those who complaining about LAGS

ChefZero

Just for you...

2000 players per campaign, 200 per battle with 30 FPS

- Interview with Matt Firor, May 2013

PS: Sorry but google didn't want to show me any english search results

Chilly-McFreeze

For those who don't speak german (And I still don't know what OP wants to tell us with that):

Q: What confuses us is the number of 200 players per battle. Why can only 200 players take part in a battle when up to 2.000 players can be in a campaign?

A: That has something to do with the minimum system requirements of the game. It means that this game should run at min. 30 FPS in every possible situation, even with 200 players in your field of view. That's how the number comes about. So you can have 201 players in your view but maybe then the FPS will drop to 29,9.

Q: Does that mean there can be 200 players in front of you and another 300 in your back?

A: Yes, that would be a 500 player battle.

Rohamad_Ali

Campaign numbers have been dropped several times over the years .

ChefZero

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

For those who don't speak german (And I still don't know what OP wants to tell us with that):

Q: What confuses us is the number of 200 players per battle. Why can only 200 players take part in a battle when up to 2.000 players can be in a campaign?

A: That has something to do with the minimum system requirements of the game. It means that this game should run at min. 30 FPS in every possible situation, even with 200 players in your field of view. That's how the number comes about. So you can have 201 players in your view but maybe then the FPS will drop to 29,9.

Q: Does that mean there can be 200 players in front of you and another 300 in your back?

A: Yes, that would be a 500 player battle.

Cause there many threads out there atm complainig about lag, cyro/IC populations and broken map mechanics.

Thx for translation.

Reverb

Campaign population limits have been dropped at least twice since this was published, as part of trying to address lag. This information quoted is out of date by several years.

Gilvoth

at launch it was just like you stated here "200 in front of you and 300 behind you"
and there wasnt really bad lagg, Lagg existed YES and you got booted from server from time to time, Yes, but it wasn't Horrible.

then that lighting patch hit, and BAM it was sever lagg and then they added champion points and now colored armor.
so today we can have about 75 people MAX on the entire server and we get Extreme Lagg.

the devs claim "no, it was not that lighting patch that caused this, No."
but we all know it Was,

it was that lighting patch.

Iskras

LAG, in ESO? noooo...

Chilly-McFreeze

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

at launch it was just like you stated here "200 in front of you and 300 behind you"
and there wasnt really bad lagg, Lagg existed YES and you got booted from server from time to time, Yes, but it wasn't Horrible.

then that lighting patch hit, and BAM it was sever lagg and then they added champion points and now colored armor.
so today we can have about 75 people MAX on the entire server and we get Extreme Lagg.

the devs claim "no, it was not that lighting patch that caused this, No."
but we all know it Was,

it was that lighting patch.

Didn't they had a no-cp stress test last year and it was still laggy?

Gilvoth

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

at launch it was just like you stated here "200 in front of you and 300 behind you"
and there wasnt really bad lagg, Lagg existed YES and you got booted from server from time to time, Yes, but it wasn't Horrible.

then that lighting patch hit, and BAM it was sever lagg and then they added champion points and now colored armor.
so today we can have about 75 people MAX on the entire server and we get Extreme Lagg.

the devs claim "no, it was not that lighting patch that caused this, No."
but we all know it Was,

it was that lighting patch.

Didn't they had a no-cp stress test last year and it was still laggy?

yes, they did.

VaranisArano

I'd be more impressed if that quote weren't from May 2013. Its March 2018 and I don't think the servers can handle that anymore.

Elsonso

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Q: Does that mean there can be 200 players in front of you and another 300 in your back?

A: Yes, that would be a 500 player battle.

And they said that we would never use math after we got out of high school!

Delsskia

We didn't have these extreme lag issues when Cyrodiil still had deer roaming the countryside. Coincidence or Ancient Aliens? Discuss.

Reverb

Delsskia wrote: »

We didn't have these extreme lag issues when Cyrodiil still had deer roaming the countryside. Coincidence or Ancient Aliens? Discuss.

Delsskia

Back when I invented lag, ZOS offered me 50 crowns for it but I held out for 60 because I'm a deal maker.

zyk

Reverb wrote: »

Campaign population limits have been dropped at least twice since this was published, as part of trying to address lag. This information quoted is out of date by several years.

I don't think that's the point. The point is that AvA was advertised in interviews to be as Matt describes above.

Now ZOS tells us ESO as a whole is wildly successful, yet they make NO apparent effort to improve AvA in a meaningful way.. In fact, they've gone in the other direction by implementing 12 player instanced PVP in the form of Battlegrounds. It's shameful that what was once a key component to the game was put on life support so early.

We have a legitimate gripe as customers. We *should* be outraged. We shouldn't let this topic die. It's not like ZOS ran out of money and had to shut down.

By all indications, ZOS is rolling in money and still not doing what's necessary to deliver the product sold to us. That's why I call this an issue of ethics at the end of the day.

Sugaroverdose

zyk wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Campaign population limits have been dropped at least twice since this was published, as part of trying to address lag. This information quoted is out of date by several years.

I don't think that's the point. The point is that AvA was advertised in interviews to be as Matt describes above.

Now ZOS tells us ESO as a whole is wildly successful, yet they make NO apparent effort to improve AvA in a meaningful way.. In fact, they've gone in the other direction by implementing 12 player instanced PVP in the form of Battlegrounds. It's shameful that what was once a key component to the game was put on life support so early.

We have a legitimate gripe as customers. We *should* be outraged. We shouldn't let this topic die. It's not like ZOS ran out of money and had to shut down.

By all indications, ZOS is rolling in money and still not doing what's necessary to deliver the product sold to us. That's why I call this an issue of ethics at the end of the day.

ZoS don't care about complaining at forum, want such basic issues fixed - get a lawyer, if you're US resident of course.

ChefZero

zyk wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Campaign population limits have been dropped at least twice since this was published, as part of trying to address lag. This information quoted is out of date by several years.

I don't think that's the point. The point is that AvA was advertised in interviews to be as Matt describes above.

Now ZOS tells us ESO as a whole is wildly successful, yet they make NO apparent effort to improve AvA in a meaningful way.. In fact, they've gone in the other direction by implementing 12 player instanced PVP in the form of Battlegrounds. It's shameful that what was once a key component to the game was put on life support so early.

We have a legitimate gripe as customers. We *should* be outraged. We shouldn't let this topic die. It's not like ZOS ran out of money and had to shut down.

By all indications, ZOS is rolling in money and still not doing what's necessary to deliver the product sold to us. That's why I call this an issue of ethics at the end of the day.

Thanks zyk, that's one big point!

Also many people aren't playing since headstart, they didn't hype the game months before release. Everyone should know what happened in this game and what was promised.

Anotherone773

"200 in front of you and 300 behind you"....

So if your in the back of this 500 person group, do you turn around and run backwards? so the majority is behind you and only a small number is in front of you? If so i may of figured out what everyone is doing wrong. You should enter battles ass first and stay at the back of the zerg.

Gilvoth

Anotherone773 wrote: »

"200 in front of you and 300 behind you"....

So if your in the back of this 500 person group, do you turn around and run backwards? so the majority is behind you and only a small number is in front of you? If so i may of figured out what everyone is doing wrong. You should enter battles ass first and stay at the back of the zerg.

if you want a Lagg Free Experience then, Yes!

IZZEFlameLash

This 2013 stuff has no bearing on 2018 ESO at all. I mean, it still had no bearing back in 2013~2014 either. Shows how long they've been detached from the reality of the game.

Morgul667

Shame it is not even something we consider to be possible in TESO



Nowadays im happy if im not kicked out of the game when 2 zergs hit each others

Kram8ion

200! I wish
I get terrible lag if there's more than 30 and kicked if I stay up late during peak times
Thank god im an oceanic night capper
Also the world is flat

Kram8ion

Anotherone773 wrote: »

"200 in front of you and 300 behind you"....

So if your in the back of this 500 person group, do you turn around and run backwards? so the majority is behind you and only a small number is in front of you? If so i may of figured out what everyone is doing wrong. You should enter battles ass first and stay at the back of the zerg.

lol I hope this comes up on tool tip or skills advisor

ChefZero

Another point

AvA was the core feature of the game and the whole lore.

Now

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/403793/imaging-here-is-no-pvp-in-eso-will-you-still-play

Really sad

pieratsos

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

at launch it was just like you stated here "200 in front of you and 300 behind you"
and there wasnt really bad lagg, Lagg existed YES and you got booted from server from time to time, Yes, but it wasn't Horrible.

then that lighting patch hit, and BAM it was sever lagg and then they added champion points and now colored armor.
so today we can have about 75 people MAX on the entire server and we get Extreme Lagg.

the devs claim "no, it was not that lighting patch that caused this, No."
but we all know it Was,

it was that lighting patch.

Didn't they had a no-cp stress test last year and it was still laggy?

The test was kinda failed tho. They made it double AP and the entire campaign was stacking at 1-2 outposts. There were like 200 people in one outpost so it wasnt really an actual resemblance of what PVP usually looks like.

Morgul667

Got disconnected 2 times when playing in vivec last night

Just dropped it and went to BG

rimmidimdim

Is the pop max on any camp 600 per faction? Last I was told that was the thing.

WaltherCarraway

rimmidimdim wrote: »

Is the pop max on any camp 600 per faction? Last I was told that was the thing.

Much less. 600v600v600 was 2014 thing

Ankael07

ChefZero wrote: »

Another point

AvA was the core feature of the game and the whole lore.

Now

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/403793/imaging-here-is-no-pvp-in-eso-will-you-still-play

Really sad

And they've removed the animations of some AOE skills so the server doesnt lag. Next thing you know they'll replace player characters with blue/yellow/red hitboxes.

Taonnor

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

at launch it was just like you stated here "200 in front of you and 300 behind you"
and there wasnt really bad lagg, Lagg existed YES and you got booted from server from time to time, Yes, but it wasn't Horrible.

then that lighting patch hit, and BAM it was sever lagg and then they added champion points and now colored armor.
so today we can have about 75 people MAX on the entire server and we get Extreme Lagg.

the devs claim "no, it was not that lighting patch that caused this, No."
but we all know it Was,

it was that lighting patch.

Your right in the lighting patch went something wrong.

The lighting patch had 2 major components:
- Lighting system
- Anti Bot cheating mechanisms

Before lighting patch we had millions of bots everewhere. To explain the lag: With the anti bot cheating mechanisms some calculations are moved to server side. And this broke the game. Before that patch the calculations where splitted over thousands of game clients, after that patch the server must handle all calculations in realtime.

They added the anti bot cheating mechanisms very fast after launch, so it couldnt implemented very well. To implement a game communication and client/server architecture in that way you need years. In TESO case they must complete reimplement it and this is not possible. You cannot easy increase server hardware if the code and system architecture doesnt allow this massive calculations. All we can hope is they have a master plan and are willing to invest money to fix this. But this needs time, much more time on already running system as you create a new system.

Alomar

As someone who tested the game during that first Cyrodiil beta test and thoroughly enjoyed this game at launch more than anytime since, it's been quite an eye-opening experience to watch the degradation of NA PC ESO these past 4 years. Not just has the pvp population has dwindled to 1/100 of that at launch, but the fact that you can count the amount of guilds per faction on one hand is terrible.

This came from less and less developer interaction, communication, and development with/for the pvp community. It became clear years ago that pvp was no longer a priority and their focus shifted to cash shop-related features and appealing to casual pve'ers/rp'rs.

I return to the game from time to time to visit friends who can't seem to accept the fact that the rest of the 99% of us who left ESO have, they deserve better. Hopefully games like Crowfall and Camelot Unchained who only aim to appeal to pvper's, rather than to every gaming preference, become our new mmo homes.