Shock glyph or weapon damage glyph

pteam

Wondering if a shock glyph or weapon damage glyph would be better on a magblade for front bar. Shock glyph does dps and concussion and minor vulnerability (increase damage taken by 8%) where weapon damage buffs all damage

Current setup:
Vma infused flame staff - flame enchant
Acuity infused flame staff - glyph ??

5 pc master architect
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1 domihaus

Which will perform better on solo skeleton and trials? I’m on console so I don’t have combat metrics. Ty

Sixty5

Usually on a Magicka build you want to run a Weapon damage glyph back bar and a damage glyph front bar.

This is because the weapon damage glyph is going to carry over after bar swapping, while you are making full use of the procs of the glyph on the front bar.

Your mileage may vary with infused and nirnhoned thought.

Checkmath

Backbar in this case refers to the msa staff bar, since elemental blockade can also proc your frontbar glyph

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

It really depends on how good you are at light attack weaving on your back bar, as weapon damage enchant only procs off of a light or heavy attack. I am terrible at it, so I just run fire enchant on one bar and lightning on the other.

Checkmath

edited.
Sry i mistook that with something else...

WuffyCerulei

Weapon damage enchant on back and shock/fire on front.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Checkmath wrote: »

The glyph also procs from skills, so destro skills help out keeping glyph uptime up.

Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks. Not skill useage.

Minalan

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

The glyph also procs from skills, so destro skills help out keeping glyph uptime up.

Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks. Not skill useage.

Correct, which you should be weaving in.

I went a different route, damage glyph front bar, Magicka resource poison back bar.

I get too many immortal heal-bots out there, and my class has no access to defile.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Minalan wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

The glyph also procs from skills, so destro skills help out keeping glyph uptime up.

Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks. Not skill useage.

Correct, which you should be weaving in.

I went a different route, damage glyph front bar, Magicka resource poison back bar.

I get too many immortal heal-bots out there, and my class has no access to defile.

i am aware should but i am a bad kid and i get more dps out of 2 damage glyphs.

Illurian

Minalan wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

The glyph also procs from skills, so destro skills help out keeping glyph uptime up.

Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks. Not skill useage.

Correct, which you should be weaving in.

I went a different route, damage glyph front bar, Magicka resource poison back bar.

I get too many immortal heal-bots out there, and my class has no access to defile.

This thread is PvE oriented, though.

Septimus_Magna

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

The glyph also procs from skills, so destro skills help out keeping glyph uptime up.

Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks. Not skill useage.

Weapon skills do proc enchants, even if you cast blockade from the back bar with weapon dmg enchant it will proc while you are on your front bar.

Usually magicka builds do not use blockade as last back bar DoT because the bar swap cancel can make it count as front bar skill. So it wont proc the vMA effect and weapon dmg enchant.

Horowonnoe

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

The glyph also procs from skills, so destro skills help out keeping glyph uptime up.

Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks. Not skill useage.

Weapon skills do proc enchants, even if you cast blockade from the back bar with weapon dmg enchant it will proc while you are on your front bar.

Usually magicka builds do not use blockade as last back bar DoT because the bar swap cancel can make it count as front bar skill. So it wont proc the vMA effect and weapon dmg enchant.

? Uhh yes people do. You light attack weave backbar it procs spell dmg enchant, barswap cancel wall and continue rotation on front.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

The glyph also procs from skills, so destro skills help out keeping glyph uptime up.

Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks. Not skill useage.

Weapon skills do proc enchants, even if you cast blockade from the back bar with weapon dmg enchant it will proc while you are on your front bar.

Usually magicka builds do not use blockade as last back bar DoT because the bar swap cancel can make it count as front bar skill. So it wont proc the vMA effect and weapon dmg enchant.

This glyph, http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Glyph_of_Weapon_Damage, does not proc from wal of elements. The glyph only procs from a light or heavy attack. Test it out.

Lord-Otto

Horowonnoe wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

The glyph also procs from skills, so destro skills help out keeping glyph uptime up.

Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks. Not skill useage.

Weapon skills do proc enchants, even if you cast blockade from the back bar with weapon dmg enchant it will proc while you are on your front bar.

Usually magicka builds do not use blockade as last back bar DoT because the bar swap cancel can make it count as front bar skill. So it wont proc the vMA effect and weapon dmg enchant.

? Uhh yes people do. You light attack weave backbar it procs spell dmg enchant, barswap cancel wall and continue rotation on front.

Alcast has a video on that particular question.
My explanation:
WoE has INSTANT travel, despite the animation. Force Pulse, on the other hand, does have a slight travel time. So WoE can be barswapped, as it applies instantly, so BEFORE the barswap. Force Pulse (important for Asylum staff) does NOT proc the staff effect if cancelled, thanks to the travel time. Which is why you see the first DoT on front bar with Asylum builds.

Weapon skills like Force Pulse, WoE and Reach are supposed to proc enchants. If there is an exception, that might be a bug. I shall test later.

You typically want Berserker glyph on back and shock or fire on front. However, if you spend a lot of time on the backbar, another elemental glyph can outperform the Berserker. It's not the case with most builds you find often, Alcast's, for example.

WrathOfInnos

I recommend flame glyph on the Acuity staff and spell damage glyph on the VMA staff. Shock looks good on a dummy, since it adds a lot of Minor Vulnerability uptime, but you shouldn't need this in a trial group with a couple of sorcs.

Betsararie

You'd go weapon damage on back, damage glyph on front. Weapon damage on front is just a waste