Should jewelry crafting be a based game feature and not a paygate feature?

Thevampirenight

Aliyavana

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

its not p2w, other mmos have huge features behind expansion pay walls so why should eso be different?

Thevampirenight

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

aliyavana wrote: »

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That was a quick post. Fastest response I don't even think the thread was up for ten seconds. Before you posted that.

Sixty5

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

The plebs will cry about it, same as they cried about Wardens being tied to Morrowind.

If they want crafted jewelry they will have to either pay for it with gold, or with a purchase of Summerset.

Thevampirenight

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

Sixty5 wrote: »

The plebs will cry about it, same as they cried about Wardens being tied to Morrowind.

If they want crafted jewelry they will have to either pay for it with gold, or with a purchase of Summerset.

Well I really think it should have been already in the game to begin with. Point is I can understand they want people to buy the summerset isles expansion. I'm fine with the Psijic order being under the paywall. But such a basic feature as crafting rings and jewels should be based game. This is how I feel about it. But no matter everyone has their own opinions!

Grimm13

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

Not all things in ESO have been added to the base game. Both the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood are behind a DLC.

As long as the crafted items are BOE there's nothing wrong. This is a needed boost for the dedicated crafters. Said in another thread that crafters have been shafted since the start since items to not break from decay. The crafting economy sucks as this limits the number of items that is needed in the game. It also hurts the those that sell dropped items.

MasterSpatula

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

Sure, it should. I can't get too upset about it anymore, though. The playerbase was too cheap for sub-only to succeed. In anything with paid content, there's going to be some PTW-ish stuff. So I blame the cheapskates.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I have to admit this makes me uncomfortable. On the one hand, there isn't much else in this that can justify the 'Chapter' pricetag, so I can see why they're doing it. On the other, I would have expected the impact on stats this is going to have to be more in line with Transmutation.

karekiz

ESO+ or obtained through purchase of Summerset.

neverwalk

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild and jewelery crafting should/needs to be BASE game content at the 4 year mark.

neverwalk

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild and jewelery crafting should/needs to be BASE game content at the 4 year mark.

Vapirko

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

This is one thing that’s going to give people substantial leg up on the competition, more than transmutation and more than Warden. If guild halls can have attundable jewlery crafting stations then fine, no big deal. Otherwise no, it should not be locked behind a paywall.

Vaoh

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

I think it’s P2W that I can only quest in Summerset if I buy the chapter. Ridiculous. Should be free

TheShadowScout

I don't really care.

I mean, sure, yeah, it would have been nice to have it as basic feature. And had the game stayed subscription powered, that's how it ouight to have been. But... ship, sailed, sunk, long time.

Now... one has to expect them to lock almost everything new behind some DLC or expansion.
I'll just deal with it.

Linaleah

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

aliyavana wrote: »

its not p2w, other mmos have huge features behind expansion pay walls so why should eso be different?

becasue unlike other games ESO's doesn't have the whole "expansion raises the level cap and so everything is gated behind level cap" and because up until this point - features of this nature were still accessible even if you didn't have the associated content packs on your account. for example - transmute stations. attunable stations.

MLGProPlayer

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

Vapirko wrote: »

This is one thing that’s going to give people substantial leg up on the competition, more than transmutation and more than Warden. If guild halls can have attundable jewlery crafting stations then fine, no big deal. Otherwise no, it should not be locked behind a paywall.

No it won't.

- The difference between gold and purple jewellery is negligible
- You can still buy all gold overland and dungeon jewellery from the golden vendor
- You can still obtain gold trial jewellery by completing trials

The only thing you can't obtain is gold crafted set jewellery, but you'll likely be able to trade for it with other players. And even if you can't, all that means is you won't be able to combine two 5-piece crafted sets, which will never be BiS anyway.

redspecter23

I'm not entirely decided quite yet. I understand the need to tie new features into content to increase sales. However, jewelry crafting feels like a base game concept. I'm not totally against paywalling it as I'll be buying the chapter at some point if the PTS build seems reasonable, but I could see how other players might have issues having to pay to access something that feels like it should be base game.

We also don't have all the info yet. I want to see how the mats are distributed and how rare and attainable the upgrade mats are. There are some unknown variable still.

Peekachu99

Fix the biased wording of your ridiculous poll. The attitude of a someone making a poll should not be so transparent (you’re up in arms about it, we can tell).

srfrogg23

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

I already bought the expansion, so I’m ok with it.

The collector’s edition upgrade was only $40. Cheaper than other expansions I’ve bought for other sub only MMOs...

Seraphayel

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

Jewelrycrafting should have been a base game update. I already pre ordered Summerset something so important for the game shouldn't be blocked behind a (double) paywall.

Aliyavana

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

Linaleah wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

its not p2w, other mmos have huge features behind expansion pay walls so why should eso be different?

becasue unlike other games ESO's doesn't have the whole "expansion raises the level cap and so everything is gated behind level cap" and because up until this point - features of this nature were still accessible even if you didn't have the associated content packs on your account. for example - transmute stations. attunable stations.

those were features from dlc, not chapters however. Also eso is the most forgiving in terms of new chapters as its been a while since the gear cap has raised.

Narvuntien

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

ESO plus isn't paying for the chapter so they shouldn't get it.

You forgot it should be the same as transmute option. There are only stations in summerset but you can buy a table for huge amounts of master writs and put it in your guild house.

baltic1284

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

No it should just be apart of the game. I can see that if they pay gate it that once unlocked it is FOR ALL ACCOUNTS most things in the game are that way. They already have an issue with any purchased motif is that if you paygate to get it you still have to deal with the grind gate to 8 on the passive just to use the freaking thing. That caused theme lose of income right there for most players didn't buy it so lost money.

Anotherone773

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

P2W and paywall arguments are used as justification for not wanting to paying for something. If someone wants to see what P2W really looks like download "Game of War" on your phone and play it for a month or so. Then you will understand what P2W means.

Its like (almost) everyone here came from skyrim and has no experience with how an MMO works.

Vizier

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

I say so only because Spell Crafting has been part of the discussion with ESO from the BEGINNING. And of course from the beginning subscribers were going to have access to all new content. That changed when they changed the definition of DLC, re-categorized content and decided to look at their base as a resource rather than customers. It's pretty difficult to stomach how much they take advantage of the existing player base. We'll see them add Summerset Isle to the next chapter and give us what we already purchased.

SharranAes

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

How is getting an expansion pay to win? :S

AzraelKrieg

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

zakeehamacab16_ESO wrote: »

How is getting an expansion pay to win? :S

Good question. Though none of the people that claim it as such can never give a logical reason

mesmerizedish

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

Did you guys know that if you don't buy the latest WoW expansion you'll be ten levels behind everyone who does? P2W, it's so disgusting.

Zinaroth

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

I don't understand why this is a discussion every single time new content comes out.

In other MMOs you buy the expansions, get the new mechanics and level cap - or you stop playing the game.

Never once have I seen people complain on WoW forums about such things.

I think the ESO community has too many freebies but I guess that's what comes with a subscription free game.

Linaleah

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

aliyavana wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

its not p2w, other mmos have huge features behind expansion pay walls so why should eso be different?

becasue unlike other games ESO's doesn't have the whole "expansion raises the level cap and so everything is gated behind level cap" and because up until this point - features of this nature were still accessible even if you didn't have the associated content packs on your account. for example - transmute stations. attunable stations.

those were features from dlc, not chapters however. Also eso is the most forgiving in terms of new chapters as its been a while since the gear cap has raised.

morrowind is a chapter. attunable stations from morrowind are available to people who do not have it via guild houses. what's even more interesting, unless something has changed recently - its possible to buy morrowind houses even if you don't have morrowind. with crowns only, but its possible.

yes, ESO is forgiving. which is kinda the point and appeal of this game. that you can have a pretty full experience even if all you have is a base game

MLGProPlayer

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

Zinaroth wrote: »

I don't understand why this is a discussion every single time new content comes out.

In other MMOs you buy the expansions, get the new mechanics and level cap - or you stop playing the game.

Never once have I seen people complain on WoW forums about such things.

I think the ESO community has too many freebies but I guess that's what comes with a subscription free game.

This is one of the most consumer-friendly MMOs, so people have become spoiled.