Should jewelry crafting be a based game feature and not a paygate feature?

Beardimus

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

It's £20, once a year. Cheaper than getting a new game. Honnetly the entitlement levels here are wild

LadyAstrum

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

There's no written rule anywhere that says: ESO shalt make all major features free. It is part of making a chapter appealing. If jewellery crafting appeals to you then buy Summerset!

Not everything can, should or will be a free update. At this point it just seems like people are being cheap. It's not like Summerset is so expensive that it's beyond most people's reach.

The_Protagonist

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

If you want features, then be ready to support the developers. Do not expect everything for free, this is a business and not a charity, if you don''t like this model, then go play those games that give you what you want.

Thevampirenight

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

I'm willing to pay for the expansion since I plan to anyways. . But there is other people that will not be buying it. . I'm fine with classes and skillines being made into dlc and chapters. Just think the rings and amulets crafting skilline should have been in the game from the start. Just my personal opinion here.

Now Spell crafting would be a different story it would be a big big major feature that should be added for an expansion. As for Rings and jewels they don't even have amulet models rings showing on fingers models.Point is it will be used for builds and item sets which does not seem very worthy of becoming a paywall crafting system since it should have been in game to begin with. Also they already have dlc and chapter armor sets that can't be made anywhere else. That is fine. But the based game crafting item sets would still lack jewelry which the crafting of should be included for the based game players that don't own the chapter because the based game item sets would lack the rings and amulets and would be forced to farm for them or buy from other players that do have access to the expansion.

I know that a lot of players might agree with me on this. A lot of players won't does not matter. I'm looking forward to the summerset isles

commdt

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

Oh god! You have to buy a game to play it! Horrible times indeed...

Nemesis7884

what already annoys me is that i will have to level the skill line up AND research all teh traits which will take weeks and is clearly just designed so people will buy the damn research scrolls

Maura_Neysa

I dont think it will be. For example, you don't need Morrowind for Transmutation. I have no evidence of this one way or the other though

Thevampirenight

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

I dont think it will be. For example, you don't need Morrowind for Transmutation. I have no evidence of this one way or the other though

They confirmed jewelry crafting will be under the summerset chapter paywall. I'm calling it that because you can't eso plus it or buy it with crowns you have to physically buy it with real money in a store or online. It really is a dlc but they call it a chapter because they don't want people using crowns to buy it from monthly subscription. I understand them wanting to be payed for their work. But with the crowncrates they should not be becoming this desperate for cash. I'm starting to think they are letting the thought of quick money influence their decision making down at Zenimax or whatever company owns and runs eso I won't personally judge them for it. If I am somehow, I'll hope I'm not and I pray that I can change to be even less judgmental because we all make mistakes even companies and I also understand that they need money to support the game . I'm hoping they will continue improve the game and the game will last for many years to come. A lot of people invested in this and they are adding more and more over time. They have done great work. I just hope greed does not drop the quality of their work.

Here is the latest news.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26347

Their sales pitch

CRAFT CUSTOM (AND POWERFUL) JEWELRY
If you enjoy crafting your own gear, ESO: Summerset allows you to learn and master an all-new Jewelry Crafting Skill Line. Jewelry Crafting works very similar to many of ESO's other crafting Skills Lines, and you'll be able to create, deconstruct, research, and improve rings and necklaces, allowing you to truly tailor all of your items.

Throughout Tamriel, you can find new Jewelry Crafting Stations (including set stations) that allow you to create custom jewelry for the current crafted item sets, and you will be able to complete Writs and Master Writs like any other crafting Skill Line. Note that the Summerset Chapter is required to use the new Crafting Stations.

Maura_Neysa

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

I dont think it will be. For example, you don't need Morrowind for Transmutation. I have no evidence of this one way or the other though

They confirmed jewelry crafting will be under the summerset chapter paywall. I'm calling it that because you can't eso plus it or buy it with crowns you have to physically buy it with real money in a store or online. It really is a dlc but they call it a chapter because they don't want people using crowns to buy it from monthly subscription. I understand them wanting to be payed for their work. But with the crowncrates they should not be becoming this desperate for cash. I'm starting to think they are letting the thought of quick money influence their decision making down at Zenimax or whatever company owns and runs eso I won't personally judge them for it. If I am somehow, I'll hope I'm not and I pray that I can change to be even less judgmental because we all make mistakes even companies and I also understand that they need money to support the game . I'm hoping they will continue improve the game and the game will last for many years to come. A lot of people invested in this and they are adding more and more over time. They have done great work. I just hope greed does not drop the quality of their work.

Here is the latest news.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26347

Their sales pitch

CRAFT CUSTOM (AND POWERFUL) JEWELRY
If you enjoy crafting your own gear, ESO: Summerset allows you to learn and master an all-new Jewelry Crafting Skill Line. Jewelry Crafting works very similar to many of ESO's other crafting Skills Lines, and you'll be able to create, deconstruct, research, and improve rings and necklaces, allowing you to truly tailor all of your items.

Throughout Tamriel, you can find new Jewelry Crafting Stations (including set stations) that allow you to create custom jewelry for the current crafted item sets, and you will be able to complete Writs and Master Writs like any other crafting Skill Line. Note that the Summerset Chapter is required to use the new Crafting Stations.

Yep, they straight up call it out as a pay gate. Not even any room to call people fear mongering. Just one of the reason I haven't pre purchased yet, even if there really is little change I wont buy it in the end.

Turelus

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

I think it should be base game because of what it is. I say this as an ESO+ member who will buy Summersert.

Crafting systems are part of ESO and it's going to give the wrong impression to new players if they see crafting benches in the core zones but can't access them without owning an expansion.
Dunegons and zones being gated off make a little more sense and people can understand "oh, that's a new area I buy" but "Oh you can't do all crafts unless you buy stuff" is going to create more false impressions of a P2W game or that the game isn't open to all.

Grimm13

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As for Rings and jewels they don't even have amulet models rings showing on fingers models.Point is it will be used for builds and item sets which does not seem very worthy of becoming a paywall crafting system since it should have been in game to begin with. Also they already have dlc and chapter armor sets that can't be made anywhere else. That is fine. But the based game crafting item sets would still lack jewelry which the crafting of should be included for the based game players that don't own the chapter because the based game item sets would lack the rings and amulets and would be forced to farm for them or buy from other players that do have access to the expansion.

There are crafted sets in DLC's which you have to buy from another player or have access to a attuned station to craft them. The same with Morrowind. It's the same thing with the Jewelry, don't have access then buy it from a player. It's not like you would be using Crowns to buy from a player, it is in game gold.

All the Overland drops unique to Summerset. I suppose you want those to be free as well in all lands instead of buying them from another player.

It does remain to be seen if the stations will also be attunable or how they will work. They have not released it yet as they have a time table to build the hype.

Give them some time before you all start with the panic that the game is unfair. Baseless speculation is rather unfair to the Dev's at this point.

Doctordarkspawn

Jewelry crafting should be a elder scrolls plus feature instead.

I picked the wrong option, but hey ***.

Honestly, it really does not matter. It really dont.

Darkstorne

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

It's fine as a content feature. Same way the Warden class is fine as a content feature. This is completely standard practice for the genre, and if you're dead-set on not buying Summerset there's still nothing stopping you buying the jewellery set pieces you want from guild stores.

Raraaku

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

It's fine by me, should be available to others via trader guilds, although it might take some time for the market to settle, or guilds and fellow guildmates at either a discounted price or possibly free if you do a lot of vet content with them.

With no new class, only one new skill line being released. ZoS needs something substantial, along with the hours of new quests and zones, to justify calling Summerset a chapter and not DLC.

DieAlteHexe

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

what already annoys me is that i will have to level the skill line up AND research all teh traits which will take weeks and is clearly just designed so people will buy the damn research scrolls

Or they could just be patient. Yeah, that works too.

NewBlacksmurf

Peoples minds.....smh

It’s an expansion/chapter/dlc whatever you want to call it.

Paygate is the eso plus nonsense. This is normal buy and play content as all things should be.

Merlin13KAGL

Since option 3 still kinda of implies P2W ("pay to make," really? So it will cost crowns, $, or gold each time you use the station?) just gonna go with "No, it's not P2W" coupled with "Yes, it's fine the way it is."

And thanks, OP. I was truly worried there wouldn't be nearly enough threads about this.

Panomania

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

I think a better poll would be, "How many of these ridiculous poll posts about jewelcrafting do you think people will create?"

Gonna go with "lots"

ayu_fever

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

if players want the new features, they will buy the new content or they will get left behind.
it is that simple.

if i had the say-so, i would have made it so that when CP caps are increased with each dlc, that only players who are ESO+ subscribers OR buy the dlc get the increase. getting 30CP each dlc will help with the game’s revenue.

ZOS keeps releasing content for a game i love, and i have no problem supporting them buy purchasing the 6 month ESO+ subscription and crowns when i want to buy something.

this new generation of entitled brats is the future of the world and that is very terrifying.

Acharnor

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

This feature should definitely NOT be behind a paywall. It's crafting and will be essential.

Pops_ND_Irish

NO
Buy the expansion. Same story, different day !
No problem here

Aesthier

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

Anyone who wants to "craft it" has to pay.....EVERYONE.


So to me, that seems pretty fair.

Everyone else has to pay for it why don't you?


It isn't any different than some of the other locked behind DLC content.


To me, the majority of things are locked behind a "play wall" that not everyone can make it through but I ain calling to tame that down. I will eventually get around to consuming that content as well; it just takes me more time than most lol.

TerraDewBerry

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

I'm ok with jewelry crafting being a part of the new chapter. If you get the upgrade, it was about 40.00 and that seems pretty fair to me.

Zeni0s

Yes jewelry crafting should be added to the based game and not under a forced paywall.

Yeah, it should. It's a gameplay quality improvement

Not a new class or skill line.

Uviryth

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

Half half. I want it to be a sub-feature like the crafting bag. We need more of those.

Kuramas9tails

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

...marketing.....

AhPook_Is_Here

The way this company chooses to package it's new products is really up to them. Everything in it has a utilitarian value to the consumer, and that value proposition is being calculated by each person based on a number of factors. If they made one of the chapter's features free, then they will lose a number of sales where that feature was a key selling point to a buyer.

You are really asking them to saw off their own leg here, and I doubt no matter how democratically you approach the process, that it's going to impact their marketing choices.

Sauce_Revolution

No Jewelry crafting is fine being a pay to make feature behind a paywall gate.

All jewelry crafting really adds is the ability to wear two full crafted sets, they're all still available to everybody, they just can't be used together. Plus nothing stopping you from just buying them from guild traders if you're totally set on not paying for it.

Also lets be honest, if it WAS base game, then how many people would be complaining that Summerset wasn't worth the money cos it didn't give you enough? Can't have it both ways.

TequilaFire

Jury is out for me until I see a link verifying if crafted/upgraded jewelry is bound or not.
If it can be traded no problem.

RobDaCool

aliyavana wrote: »

its not p2w, other mmos have huge features behind expansion pay walls so why should eso be different?

That makes too much sense, man