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Nightblade, tears everywhere.
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JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
That is more of a dk nerf than a stamblade buff0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
That is more of a dk nerf than a stamblade buff
Nonetheless, that's one of the things that used to kill stamblades, and no longer does. Along with stuff like undodgeable birds gone, soul assault snare gone, etc.
Suddenly the stamblade is surviving (the precious few) scenarios that used to reliably kill him. That's a buff in my book.
TESO game systems are very interconnected. Not every buff to a class has to be the result of a direct change to that class.
For example i considered it a huge buff to my mDK's survivability when ZOS changed the guard eclipse to no longer reflect melee magicka abilities, so when fighting at a resource i could use burning embers to heal myself instead of burning myself up when eclipsed.Edited by Sharee on March 28, 2018 9:00PM8 -
thankyourat✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
That's a little more balanced though before a stamblade pretty much had no chance against a mag dk, now the mag dk should still win but if gives the stamblade a chance to counter. I use to hate watching stamblades vs mag dk fights. It's almost always went to the mag dk5 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I haven't had any issues fighting stam or magblades . Soon as people started saying they're op I jumped on all the other classes and looked for myself .4 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Nightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
That's a little more balanced though before a stamblade pretty much had no chance against a mag dk, now the mag dk should still win but if gives the stamblade a chance to counter. I use to hate watching stamblades vs mag dk fights. It's almost always went to the mag dk
<shrug>
I was fighting a mDK today on my stam DK. He did not land a single powerlash, and between vigor and troll king, i outhealed everything else he hit me with. And that's me without a cloak. If i had that...3 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Vermintide wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »are the NB nerf posters the equivalent of Russian election trolls?
Ex-Miats users.
Lol...what?
Most NB were the miats users and vice versa. Both are synonymous with the try hard, must always win type of players.3 -
thankyourat✭✭✭✭✭
✭thankyourat wrote: »Nightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
That's a little more balanced though before a stamblade pretty much had no chance against a mag dk, now the mag dk should still win but if gives the stamblade a chance to counter. I use to hate watching stamblades vs mag dk fights. It's almost always went to the mag dk
<shrug>
I was fighting a mDK today on my stam DK. He did not land a single powerlash, and between vigor and troll king, i outhealed everything else he hit me with. And that's me without a cloak. If i had that...
You could have just been better than him lol2 -
Timeraider✭✭✭People are complaining about the bleedbuilds atm, not whatever you think.
Bleed dmg is retardedly OP atm in BGsFeralclaw - EU - AD
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lvl 50 Magicka Sorcerer (Dunmer)1 -
Thunderknuckles✭✭✭✭Ah yes, Relentless/Merciless retaining their stacks was not a buff.
Shadow Image telling you when you're out of range, is not a buff.
Turning about 4-5 undodgeable abilities that were previously a strong counter to rolly-polly stamblades into dodgeable ones or nerfing Soul Assault, was not an indirect buff.
All the other classes are getting buff after buff and NBs getting all nerfs.. It's a cospiracy I tell ya!
It certainly wasn't just night blades complaining about the Warden cliff racer not being dodgeable. In fact, the ONLY people not complaining about it before Dragon Bones were.....Wardens. LOL2 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Thunderknuckles wrote: »Ah yes, Relentless/Merciless retaining their stacks was not a buff.
Shadow Image telling you when you're out of range, is not a buff.
Turning about 4-5 undodgeable abilities that were previously a strong counter to rolly-polly stamblades into dodgeable ones or nerfing Soul Assault, was not an indirect buff.
All the other classes are getting buff after buff and NBs getting all nerfs.. It's a cospiracy I tell ya!
It certainly wasn't just night blades complaining about the Warden cliff racer not being dodgeable. In fact, the ONLY people not complaining about it before Dragon Bones were.....Wardens. LOL
Most stamdens did not slot cliff racer. No need to when sub assault / gap closer / dawn breaker / reverse slice provides as much burst as it does.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
Stream: twitch.tv/THOGARDvsThePeasants
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ShadowMonarch✭✭✭✭People been crying about Nightblades being too OP sense launch but tbh its just cause people refuse to slot mark, use detect pots, and slot magelight. You do that and you can take down any nightblade in cyrodil. NB isn't too OP its just the current scapegoat.
And also nightblade gets ridiculous with CP. But then again... cp's constant increase by 30 points just keeps making everything stronger and stronger, I really wish they would just remove cp. I dont know what it offers in the way of content other then a endless grind and its really not needed. You could just give everyone 300 points after level 50 and call it square if you really want to keep the system.Edited by ShadowMonarch on March 28, 2018 10:04PM2 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Thunderknuckles wrote: »Ah yes, Relentless/Merciless retaining their stacks was not a buff.
Shadow Image telling you when you're out of range, is not a buff.
Turning about 4-5 undodgeable abilities that were previously a strong counter to rolly-polly stamblades into dodgeable ones or nerfing Soul Assault, was not an indirect buff.
All the other classes are getting buff after buff and NBs getting all nerfs.. It's a cospiracy I tell ya!
It certainly wasn't just night blades complaining about the Warden cliff racer not being dodgeable. In fact, the ONLY people not complaining about it before Dragon Bones were.....Wardens. LOL
Most stamdens did not slot cliff racer. No need to when sub assault / gap closer / dawn breaker / reverse slice provides as much burst as it does.
Yeah but birds were just a plague, they made dodge builds even worse and were overall just an Xv1 tool. Either you blocked them and the rest of the zerg could catch you or you took the 6-8k birds and died while running.
They really have to buff them now by removing that stupid travel time and add some kind of debuff3 -
ak_pvp✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Nightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
That's a little more balanced though before a stamblade pretty much had no chance against a mag dk, now the mag dk should still win but if gives the stamblade a chance to counter. I use to hate watching stamblades vs mag dk fights. It's almost always went to the mag dk
There really isn't anything better on either side. In a limited area duel its even. MagDK has nothing that really hard counters a StamNB, dots are cloaked, roots rolled or avoided, and AoEs are expensive. Both have an undodgable/blockable CC to counter that.
Burning embers needed it, indiscriminate, decent damaging and healing embers spam is what most of my fights pre change came down to. However *power* whip, a 3 step setup with a CC reliance didn't. In roots you could roll/shuffle pre setup lash. Cloak the setup, OR main power lash. It isn't bird, where it could be spammed mercilessly without much loss.Edited by ak_pvp on March 28, 2018 10:33PMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
Best houseknight EU.4 -
Vermintide✭✭✭✭Vermintide wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »are the NB nerf posters the equivalent of Russian election trolls?
Ex-Miats users.
Lol...what?
Most NB were the miats users and vice versa. Both are synonymous with the try hard, must always win type of players.
Simple: Nobody complained about NBs until Miats was crippled in the API. It is my proposal that the people who suddenly think NBs are OP, are the same ones who relied on Miats to counter stealth, heavy attacks, snipe etc.
Speaking as a magicka nightblade, I've noticed my K/D double since Dragon Bones dropped. Before then, every single player seemed to be able to psychically block my bow proc, dodge my incap, and laugh in the face of a flame reach. Now, you tell me if that's a coincidence?5 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
so because the nightblade NOW is able to survive your attack because the devs balanced them means he is overpowered?
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »
give the stamblade a chance to counterNightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
well Said!
and the devs have done that, they gave us the ability to survive more and people HATE us for it and are making MASS NERF nightblade threads because of it and i hope the Devs and Moderators see it for what it is!
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Worthy to note:
- Incap was the cheapest ultimate in the game at 50 ultimate and between Catalyst and Combat Frenzy almost a spammable ability.
- The passive that increases critical damage done by 10% is still there (Hemmorhage). The bonus damage from attacking from stealth was removed - for everyone though.
- Mass Hysteria only CCs 2 targets now instead of 3, but it is still the only non-ultimate AoE hard CC in the game (and very buggy to the benefit of the NB often). Besides, the new trap fear together with a working shade is arguably a buff if you believe NBs like @DDuke and others.
- Siphoning Strikes was nerfed, but regeneration related skills took a hit for every class (Repentance, Helping Hands, Battle Roar, Conversion) and according to Raid NBs the ability still allows them to sustain a light attack rotation in PvE and is solid in PvP. NB Tanks got shafted though.
-Incap is nice in PvP if solo, nothing else. It means nothing in PVE.
you don't even know your own class...
Warmachine is amazing with nightblades, And Its only because incap is so cheap and also has empower which is not weak at all.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 29, 2018 1:29AM8 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Vermintide wrote: »Vermintide wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »are the NB nerf posters the equivalent of Russian election trolls?
Ex-Miats users.
Lol...what?
Most NB were the miats users and vice versa. Both are synonymous with the try hard, must always win type of players.
Simple: Nobody complained about NBs until Miats was crippled in the API. It is my proposal that the people who suddenly think NBs are OP, are the same ones who relied on Miats to counter stealth, heavy attacks, snipe etc.
Speaking as a magicka nightblade, I've noticed my K/D double since Dragon Bones dropped. Before then, every single player seemed to be able to psychically block my bow proc, dodge my incap, and laugh in the face of a flame reach. Now, you tell me if that's a coincidence?
Youre relating 2 coincidental things and ignoring the meriad of other combat changes that actually caused that.
Nice try though...4 -
rimmidimdim✭✭✭rimmidimdim wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »A buff I would like to see to NB's is this. A heavy attack, especially duel wield heavy attacks, but I think all heavy attacks, should count as two "ticks" towards merciless resolve and relentless focus. Also siphoning strikes should get double resources from heavy attacks. That would give a nice specific class buff for the NB's. Be really nice buff for NB tanky builds in particular, buff all NB's would receive a nice class specific buff. Cheers.
Yeah, because obviously a Grim Focus proc on every 3rd rotation is exactly the kind of DPS buff the strongest DPS class needs right now...
Again, yes you can argue third rotation but would still be very similar dps.
Wow you just have no clue what so ever...
Wow, in what way I have no clue what so ever? I'm right. It takes twice as long to load up a heavy attack. So procs and resources are cut in half for heavy armor builds. Or heavy attack builds. Is that an issue for you?0 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭rimmidimdim wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »A buff I would like to see to NB's is this. A heavy attack, especially duel wield heavy attacks, but I think all heavy attacks, should count as two "ticks" towards merciless resolve and relentless focus. Also siphoning strikes should get double resources from heavy attacks. That would give a nice specific class buff for the NB's. Be really nice buff for NB tanky builds in particular, buff all NB's would receive a nice class specific buff. Cheers.
Yeah, because obviously a Grim Focus proc on every 3rd rotation is exactly the kind of DPS buff the strongest DPS class needs right now...
Again, yes you can argue third rotation but would still be very similar dps.
Wow you just have no clue what so ever...
Wow, in what way I have no clue what so ever? I'm right. It takes twice as long to load up a heavy attack. So procs and resources are cut in half for heavy armor builds. Or heavy attack builds. Is that an issue for you?
You dont even comment on what I quoted, must be a troll, no one is that thick...0 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭rimmidimdim wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »A buff I would like to see to NB's is this. A heavy attack, especially duel wield heavy attacks, but I think all heavy attacks, should count as two "ticks" towards merciless resolve and relentless focus. Also siphoning strikes should get double resources from heavy attacks. That would give a nice specific class buff for the NB's. Be really nice buff for NB tanky builds in particular, buff all NB's would receive a nice class specific buff. Cheers.
Yeah, because obviously a Grim Focus proc on every 3rd rotation is exactly the kind of DPS buff the strongest DPS class needs right now...
Again, yes you can argue third rotation but would still be very similar dps.
Wow you just have no clue what so ever...
Wow, in what way I have no clue what so ever? I'm right. It takes twice as long to load up a heavy attack. So procs and resources are cut in half for heavy armor builds. Or heavy attack builds. Is that an issue for you?
You dont even comment on what I quoted, must be a troll, no one is that thick...0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vermintide wrote: »Vermintide wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »are the NB nerf posters the equivalent of Russian election trolls?
Ex-Miats users.
Lol...what?
Most NB were the miats users and vice versa. Both are synonymous with the try hard, must always win type of players.
Simple: Nobody complained about NBs until Miats was crippled in the API. It is my proposal that the people who suddenly think NBs are OP, are the same ones who relied on Miats to counter stealth, heavy attacks, snipe etc.
Speaking as a magicka nightblade, I've noticed my K/D double since Dragon Bones dropped. Before then, every single player seemed to be able to psychically block my bow proc, dodge my incap, and laugh in the face of a flame reach. Now, you tell me if that's a coincidence?
Wow it's no longer tin foil hat theory I see stam nb's vision of PvP turned into aluminum sheet hat theory
From all recent changes Miat change have the smallest impact on the latest effectiveness of nb's in PvP.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »
give the stamblade a chance to counterNightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
well Said!
and the devs have done that, they gave us the ability to survive more and people HATE us for it and are making MASS NERF nightblade threads because of it and i hope the Devs and Moderators see it for what it is!
Yes I do also have hope that developers will see it for what it is which is giving too high possibility to avoid most of the attacks easily while still having highly effective and easy to repeat burst combo that is not punishing user when he fails with it.Edited by Juhasow on March 29, 2018 4:03AM5 -
bardx86✭✭✭✭✭
✭Worthy to note:
- Mass Hysteria only CCs 2 targets now instead of 3, but it is still the only non-ultimate AoE hard CC in the game (and very buggy to the benefit of the NB often). Besides, the new trap fear together with a working shade is arguably a buff if you believe NBs like @DDuke and others
The best AoE hard CC in the game is streak, hands down.
Not really. The stun is only 1.5 seconds (instead of Mass Hysteria's 4 seconds!) and takes just as long as the streak animation to finish.
also facing the wrong way after streak to make any combo's worth wild.1 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭Worthy to note:
- Incap was the cheapest ultimate in the game at 50 ultimate and between Catalyst and Combat Frenzy almost a spammable ability.
- The passive that increases critical damage done by 10% is still there (Hemmorhage). The bonus damage from attacking from stealth was removed - for everyone though.
- Mass Hysteria only CCs 2 targets now instead of 3, but it is still the only non-ultimate AoE hard CC in the game (and very buggy to the benefit of the NB often). Besides, the new trap fear together with a working shade is arguably a buff if you believe NBs like @DDuke and others.
- Siphoning Strikes was nerfed, but regeneration related skills took a hit for every class (Repentance, Helping Hands, Battle Roar, Conversion) and according to Raid NBs the ability still allows them to sustain a light attack rotation in PvE and is solid in PvP. NB Tanks got shafted though.
-Incap is nice in PvP if solo, nothing else. It means nothing in PVE.
-Fear maybe something in PvP, in PVE it is nothing. In PvP-cyrodil it is due to lags mostly useless.
-while siphoning no longer works as once concepted, I now run WW-ulti backbar, and 1-2 jewelry enchants (situation dependend), so yeah you can work around it.
The point by OP is that the class didn´t get any love the last years, and it is about time we get something!
You are wrong, if you use war machine for trials incap is a must to keep the group buffed.1 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭rimmidimdim wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »A buff I would like to see to NB's is this. A heavy attack, especially duel wield heavy attacks, but I think all heavy attacks, should count as two "ticks" towards merciless resolve and relentless focus. Also siphoning strikes should get double resources from heavy attacks. That would give a nice specific class buff for the NB's. Be really nice buff for NB tanky builds in particular, buff all NB's would receive a nice class specific buff. Cheers.
Yeah, because obviously a Grim Focus proc on every 3rd rotation is exactly the kind of DPS buff the strongest DPS class needs right now...
Again, yes you can argue third rotation but would still be very similar dps.
Wow you just have no clue what so ever...
Wow, in what way I have no clue what so ever? I'm right. It takes twice as long to load up a heavy attack. So procs and resources are cut in half for heavy armor builds. Or heavy attack builds. Is that an issue for you?
DW HAs take considerably less than 2 seconds. Staff attacks take more than 2 seconds. You see the issue here? StamNBs would have considerably more procs. You’d have to adjust the damage then.
Besides, the ability has been buffed a lot with the recent changes already.
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
To be fair, that's a mag dk problem.
Anyone can dodge those attacks now. Just so happens Stam nb dodges the most.Edited by Brrrofski on March 29, 2018 7:13AM0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
To be fair, that's a mag dk problem.
Anyone can dodge those attacks now. Just so happens Stam nb dodges the most.
See my reply in post #332 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Nightblades havent gott a buff for ages. Nerfs last year as I recall:
Incap cost increase
10% critdamage passive removed
Fear nerf
Siph attacks nerf.
Suddenly ppl scream their lungs out that NBs are OP.
What changed the last months?
I'll tell ya. Cloak and Shadow Image actually got fixed after being broken and miats crutch addon got nerfed. Thats about it.
I cant even recall the last time stamblades got a buff. Its been nerf after nerf every dlc.
Before: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (hit) -> dead stamblade.
Now: Fossilize -> flame lash -> (stamblade CC breaks and dodge rolls) -> power lash (dodged) -> (stamblade cloaks and emerges at full HP a couple seconds later).
That's a little more balanced though before a stamblade pretty much had no chance against a mag dk, now the mag dk should still win but if gives the stamblade a chance to counter. I use to hate watching stamblades vs mag dk fights. It's almost always went to the mag dk
I'm not sure it is. The problem was you build not your class.
You see, there's many efficient ways to build a stamblade. You can build rolly-polly medium 2h/bow. You can build max damage bow ganker. You can build a heavy armour brawler by pairing troll king with S&B and Greatsword. Or swap the S&B for DW and the GreatSword for Battleaxe, change some skills and become a bleeder. All these are very viable.
The first two could not go toe-to-toe with a MagDK. But they could still do shade->cloak and gtfo while waiting for an opportune moment. Good rolly-pollys could still go into BGs and basically rack up 20-30 kills with only a couple of deaths by picking the fights they could fight and running from the ones they couldn't. Bad ones would get wrecked. They were by no means in a bad place, just because they couldn't toe-to-toe with MagDKs. They were high risk - high reward.
The latter two, they could already go toe-to-toe with MagDKs absolutely fine. Bleeders and Brawlers are essentially only slightly modified duel builds. And if you went to the duels, you'd see those NBs giving MagDKs a really hard time. The reason why you think it was imbalanced is because you compared a build that was set up to hit and run with a build that was set up to brawl (MagDk).
Since these changes happened, it's extremely hard for a MagDK to nail a rolly-polly. Same for Warden with birds. The rolly-polly's natural predators have taken nerfs. Hence the rise in those stamblades. They're still high reward, but no longer as high risk as before. Meawhile NB brawlers and bleeders are as tough as anyone to fight 1v1, but they can't escape as easily as the rolly-pollys.EU | PC | AD7 -
Murador178✭✭✭✭Let's be honest the roll changes where rly good changes(maybe embers should still go through roll) and yes ofc they also buffed stam nb playing 2h/bow. They are the main reason stam nb is so popular again.0