does the warden class have an execute?

JackSmirkingRevenge

Waffennacht wrote: »

To those that say it's fine because it's good at other things than dps: you realize the game is centered around dps and being subpar in this category really is the only one that matters.

lol...

Lynx7386

Waffennacht wrote: »

About PvE: anyone whom needs 4 players to complete non-dlc vet dungeons is not a good player

To those that say warden is fine:

It is subpar in both PvE and PvP to other classes for main game content: i.e. DD

To those that say it's fine because it's good at other things than dps: you realize the game is centered around dps and being subpar in this category really is the only one that matters.

You're digging yourself pretty deep into that ignorance hole.

Arobain

Warden a joke? I found the meta tard that copies every build he has ever used from the internet and plays the game like it's his job, if he has one

Seraphayel

(Stam)Warden is more than fine in PvP. PvE is where the class lacks damage.

Maura_Neysa

Seraphayel wrote: »

(Stam)Warden is more than fine in PvP. PvE is where the class lacks damage.

50k Solo parse, they don't lack damage in PvE either. Only Mag Warden

hedna123b14_ESO

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Nope. And they do the least damage of any class. They're a joke.

https://youtu.be/XOKssWYjkc8

This is with an unoptimized Pug...

hedna123b14_ESO

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The bear has a pretty massive execute and at 75 ultimate can be used frequently. Problem with Wardens is that so many people have opinions and so few have actually played the class. There’s a great 50k max magika dual wield build video on the net. On the PVP side, a magden or stamden in the hands of a capable player is unkillable in 1v1/ 1VX too.

The class has been thoroughly tested, and it's a disaster in PvE. Even the best players in the world can only hit paltry DPS numbers with magicka warden (while stamina DPS is good by virtue of using the same skills as every other stamina class, it's not the best). There is a reason why you see almost no wardens on trials leader boards (there are typically between 0 and 3 wardens in the top-100, while there are 20+ of every other class). Their DPS is awful while their tanking and healing are not as good as DK/templar.

The reason why people dont play them is because they can't theorycraft for ***...magwardens are a bit behind, but still pull 50k+, stamwarden can outdps a stamdk...

hedna123b14_ESO

Waffennacht wrote: »

About PvE: anyone whom needs 4 players to complete non-dlc vet dungeons is not a good player

To those that say warden is fine:

It is subpar in both PvE and PvP to other classes for main game content: i.e. DD

To those that say it's fine because it's good at other things than dps: you realize the game is centered around dps and being subpar in this category really is the only one that matters.

If you aren't on a stamblade I'd pay you 100k to outdps my stam warden in a trial...I would say it's the 2nd strongest class for stam if you know how to play it.

Lynx7386

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

About PvE: anyone whom needs 4 players to complete non-dlc vet dungeons is not a good player

To those that say warden is fine:

It is subpar in both PvE and PvP to other classes for main game content: i.e. DD

To those that say it's fine because it's good at other things than dps: you realize the game is centered around dps and being subpar in this category really is the only one that matters.

If you aren't on a stamblade I'd pay you 100k to outdps my stam warden in a trial...I would say it's the 2nd strongest class for stam if you know how to play it.

Mind sharing your gear, bar setup, and rotation? Working on a dps setup for my warden tank to use when I'm not needed as a tank, trying to figure out how to best maximize damage without having to alter champion or attribute points

Zeni0s

Nope. But I think Wardens were disigned to be Stam healers or magicka tank. The thing the 4 other classes can't do.

They're viable, but not as good as a dk tank or temp heal. Something is missing.

hedna123b14_ESO

Lynx7386 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

About PvE: anyone whom needs 4 players to complete non-dlc vet dungeons is not a good player

To those that say warden is fine:

It is subpar in both PvE and PvP to other classes for main game content: i.e. DD

To those that say it's fine because it's good at other things than dps: you realize the game is centered around dps and being subpar in this category really is the only one that matters.

If you aren't on a stamblade I'd pay you 100k to outdps my stam warden in a trial...I would say it's the 2nd strongest class for stam if you know how to play it.

Mind sharing your gear, bar setup, and rotation? Working on a dps setup for my warden tank to use when I'm not needed as a tank, trying to figure out how to best maximize damage without having to alter champion or attribute points

Hey sure:) The full build is in my signature

Juhasow

Zinaroth wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Nope. And they do the least damage of any class. They're a joke.

If players are tunnel-visioned enough into thinking that PvE DPS is the only role in the game, then that might be an accurate statement.

But, for all other roles in PvE or PvP they’re fine. Heals, Tank, PvP damage, and support roles ... Wardens are quite valued in those areas.

Useless as PvP DPS as well since cliff racer nerfs. Not as good as templar and DK tank/healer. Joke class.

Cliff Racer + Subtterrenean Assault + Dizzying Swing hitting at the same time will still kill most people and is easy to pull off.
You can't dodge a Cliff Racer if you're in a CC or busy breaking free of it.

Also Templars literally make the worst tanks seeing as they are the only class without proper tools to regenerate stamina on a consistent basis while blocking.

Just small correction sorc tanks have also no tools to restore stamina while blocking. Casting dark deal forces You to stop holding the block so it's basicly the same like doing heavy attack.

f047ys3v3n

Scythiss wrote: »

Sorry if this is a *** question but I haven't played since beginning of thieves guild, it has been 2 years I think. I could not find any information online about the warden having an execute. Anyways does the warden have an execute ability?

Bugs aren't an execute. Funny, they hit me for a much as other classes executes. LOL

Also, with the exception of the sorc auto-execute in PVP, generally executes are a disadvantage for a class to have. They take up a bar slot and the classes overall dps will generally be balanced (though not skillfully) with that excecute's damage included. All that typically ends up happening is that you loose the utility of a skill slot, have a more complex dps rotation because it shifts as execute phase, and don't get any more dps out of it because other abilities are nerfed to compensate.

You can have my NB impale in exchange for a dps boost to funnel and crippling any day. It just makes my rotation more complicated in PVE and I don't use it in PVP because timing it to actually hit a player sub 25% is too low a percentage proposition to pay off. Ditto for radiant oppression in PVE and mages wrath in PVE.

hedna123b14_ESO

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Scythiss wrote: »

Sorry if this is a *** question but I haven't played since beginning of thieves guild, it has been 2 years I think. I could not find any information online about the warden having an execute. Anyways does the warden have an execute ability?

Bugs aren't an execute. Funny, they hit me for a much as other classes executes. LOL

Also, with the exception of the sorc auto-execute in PVP, generally executes are a disadvantage for a class to have. They take up a bar slot and the classes overall dps will generally be balanced (though not skillfully) with that excecute's damage included. All that typically ends up happening is that you loose the utility of a skill slot, have a more complex dps rotation because it shifts as execute phase, and don't get any more dps out of it because other abilities are nerfed to compensate.

You can have my NB impale in exchange for a dps boost to funnel and crippling any day. It just makes my rotation more complicated in PVE and I don't use it in PVP because timing it to actually hit a player sub 25% is too low a percentage proposition to pay off. Ditto for radiant oppression in PVE and mages wrath in PVE.

If there was a way to subscribe to your comments I would. 10/10

Waffennacht

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

About PvE: anyone whom needs 4 players to complete non-dlc vet dungeons is not a good player

To those that say warden is fine:

It is subpar in both PvE and PvP to other classes for main game content: i.e. DD

To those that say it's fine because it's good at other things than dps: you realize the game is centered around dps and being subpar in this category really is the only one that matters.

If you aren't on a stamblade I'd pay you 100k to outdps my stam warden in a trial...I would say it's the 2nd strongest class for stam if you know how to play it.

And, exactly how many warden abilities do you use, or is it like every PvE Stam class and all about the Weapon skills?

Also, maybe I would take you up on that with a DK or NB.

And then you completely dismiss the mag version, which, I am talking about (though obviously wasn't clear about)

hedna123b14_ESO

Waffennacht wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

About PvE: anyone whom needs 4 players to complete non-dlc vet dungeons is not a good player

To those that say warden is fine:

It is subpar in both PvE and PvP to other classes for main game content: i.e. DD

To those that say it's fine because it's good at other things than dps: you realize the game is centered around dps and being subpar in this category really is the only one that matters.

If you aren't on a stamblade I'd pay you 100k to outdps my stam warden in a trial...I would say it's the 2nd strongest class for stam if you know how to play it.

And, exactly how many warden abilities do you use, or is it like every PvE Stam class and all about the Weapon skills?

Also, maybe I would take you up on that with a DK or NB.

And then you completely dismiss the mag version, which, I am talking about (though obviously wasn't clear about)

Magicka wardens pull 50k+ ST. On my stamina I use more class abilities than on my other stam classes: Shalks, Bear, Netch, Cliff racer, but non of that really matters, the point was that wardens are lowest DPS class...Stamwardens are definitely not. Mag wardens can use some love, but are still parsing decently.

Maura_Neysa

Waffennacht wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

About PvE: anyone whom needs 4 players to complete non-dlc vet dungeons is not a good player

To those that say warden is fine:

It is subpar in both PvE and PvP to other classes for main game content: i.e. DD

To those that say it's fine because it's good at other things than dps: you realize the game is centered around dps and being subpar in this category really is the only one that matters.

If you aren't on a stamblade I'd pay you 100k to outdps my stam warden in a trial...I would say it's the 2nd strongest class for stam if you know how to play it.

And, exactly how many warden abilities do you use, or is it like every PvE Stam class and all about the Weapon skills?

Also, maybe I would take you up on that with a DK or NB.

And then you completely dismiss the mag version, which, I am talking about (though obviously wasn't clear about)

(1) Sub, (2) Lotus, (3) Netch, (4)Bear, (5)Dive, (6)Prey (Not needed if you can count on Combat Prayer)
vs
(1) Caltrops, (2) Endless, (3)Trap, (4)Inject, (5)Acid(2xBow build)

I do only slot Dive for the passive 2%damage done and as my self heal (1500 per spam when I'm in trouble)
Even in a DW/Bow build, swap Acid for Blade Cloak and Prey for Rend. However, Sub Assault is going to our perform ever other skill. Did you not see the video? 13.3k Sub Assault DPS, 8.6 Endless Hail DPS.