Y'all do not give ESO enough credit...

Juju_beans · March 2018

Zinaroth wrote: »

Nah it's pretty bad.
You say it's leagues ahead of other MMO experiences - guess you haven't played World of Warcraft; a more smooth, bug free MMORPG experience on stable servers cannot be found.

But that is after 14 years of maintenance and upgrades.
It was fairly common to lag out, disconnect and not even able to log in for many of the early years.
Maintenance "day" could last from 6 hours to 2 days.

xbobx · March 2018

I don't see too many issues with bugs but my main problem is the Mods, and developers.

I have never seen a game with worse customer support.

There is silence on so many issues yet they have no problem coming into a post to either cut and paste a reply for fluff up someones ego.

they really need to get their act together on that front.

Apache_Kid · March 2018

Azyle1 wrote: »

Good grief.

Starting to learn how whiny y'all are. I never once said that the bugs in ESO were acceptable. But in MY experience, the grass is not greener.

Granted, WoW and FFXIV on PC ( comparing to ESO on Xbox) are better and run smoother. Granted a lot of people do not realize that ESO is more complex in it;s world, quest, characters, things to do, etc.

All I was saying is ESO, despite it's numerous flaws, is still a pretty good game and runs decent compared to some other MMO's.

I played WoW for 10 years, but WoW is boring.. ESO is not. I'll take the bugs over a stale formula.

But no, half of you are like those employees that work at a job that complain about it everyday, despite still coming into work.

Also, I am not saying criticism is unwelcome. We need criticism, but when someone makes a semi-positive post, don't come in and crap all over it. It's what is wrong with society... no one can ever be even a little happy and express it without the jerks and neckbeards coming in saying, "Well ACTUALLY!"

The game is fantastic. A lot of content is fun and rewarding, there is always something to do or work on, and it looks amazing.

The problem is that there are a lot of outstanding issues, especially on Xbox. We have had chat channels disappearing for 5 months and have had no fix. The group finder has been broken for over a year and has had no fix. We have been crashing in Cyrodiil daily since ive started playing in there, and still have no fix. We had infintie loading screens after the CwC patch that made the game un-playable in both PvE and PvP for myself and many other players that took over 3 weeks to fix. These are some examples of an endless list i could post. Don't even get me started on the coding error crashes in Cyrodiil, raids, and DLC areas.

I am so tough on this game because I know it could be really great if they would SLOW DOWN for 6 months and stop pumping out all of this content and go back and fix the issues and older content. I have played other games recently like Rainbow Six Siege who decided to halt all new content for one quarter and focus on fixing issues and improved the overall health of the game a lot.

We are tough on this game because we want it to be better and we know it can be. It's tough to be positive about the game and the devs when you post feedback and bug reports that get ignored week after week, month after month. It gets infuriating to see a patch go by and a bug you've been posting about consistently for 3 months goes unfixed.

Vanthras79 · March 2018

Giving credit.... Nobody's got time for that!

Samadhi · March 2018

Azyle1 wrote: »

I have placed many PC MMO's and console MMO's and let me tell ya.... I see a lot of people get mad at ESO for lag and bugs and general "Jankiness" but.... its LEAGUES better than other MMO's. Tera, just came out on the Xbox One X and it runs like GARBAGE. It's awkward and doesn't feel good. That isn't to say it's a bad game, but.. ESO seems smooth as butter compared to this (as well as Neverwinter and FFXIV on PS4).

Note - I play ESO on Xbox One X but I also have a PC account I screw around on.

Personally give ZOS more credit than you
believe they are honestly capable of doing better than they are currently doing

putting aside all other games,
ESO vs. what ESO has the capacity to be

SnubbS · March 2018

Tera is a better game than ESO. I'm not even a Tera fan, I intend to grind BDO when it comes to Xbox—but to push this "Actually to the contrary ESO is great" narrative is just hilarious.

DMuehlhausen · March 2018

Morgul667 wrote: »

TESO is the only game I lag so much

TESO is the only game that introduce bugs just for purchasing a chapter.

TESO is the only game that manages to introduce major bugs at EVERY main update.

I love this game but no the bugs and lags are not good.

If you honestly think the first 3 are true then you've never played another MMO or game that pushes out updates. Every online game out there has no major bugs on almost every major update. Everyone other you will lag in (I personally almost never lag in ESO even on a shaky wireless connection).

Azyle1 · March 2018

SnubbS wrote: »

Tera is a better game than ESO. I'm not even a Tera fan, I intend to grind BDO when it comes to Xbox—but to push this "Actually to the contrary ESO is great" narrative is just hilarious.

Good joke. I'll play some BDO when it comes, but yeah.. hope you like PVP cause it's PVE content is garbage.

Also, I am still playing Tera, I just do not think it's as fun or as good as ESO. I did play it on PC years ago though and it was mediocre then too, but for a free game, I figured I would try it again. Just making my observations.

SnubbS · March 2018

Drachenfier wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

TESO is the only game I lag so much

TESO is the only game that introduce bugs just for purchasing a chapter.

TESO is the only game that manages to introduce major bugs at EVERY main update.

I love this game but no the bugs and lags are not good.

Uhhh, no.....the bolded happens in every game.

But i do agree with your first point.

No, the bold does not happen in every game. It doesn't even happen in every mmo.

dan958 · March 2018

There are plenty of annoying problems in this game, but the things that it does good is what keeps me coming back.

Gorgoneus · March 2018

Nice move comparing TESO with f2p corean trash, or you're right, because TESO is a pure f2p game + direct game purchase, so even worst then f2p (atleast most f2p games hase a free access to DLC zones and selling same outfit stuff for rela money and different consumables. SO yes TESO even worst then regular f2p. You was right comparing this games.

Malthorne · March 2018

Why is it wrong to hold a product you pay for to a higher standard? People generally complain because they care and they want be here.

ESO is a AAA title. It should be pushing boundaries. It should be compared to and stand along side Top MMOs like WoW and FFXIV not Tera.

QuebraRegra · March 2018

Azyle1 wrote: »

I have placed many PC MMO's and console MMO's and let me tell ya.... I see a lot of people get mad at ESO for lag and bugs and general "Jankiness" but.... its LEAGUES better than other MMO's. Tera, just came out on the Xbox One X and it runs like GARBAGE. It's awkward and doesn't feel good. That isn't to say it's a bad game, but.. ESO seems smooth as butter compared to this (as well as Neverwinter and FFXIV on PS4).

Note - I play ESO on Xbox One X but I also have a PC account I screw around on.

TERA made me puke in my mouth before I could even hit uninstall... what crap.

can we get a LOTR MMO from ZOS using the engine and assets?

Drachenfier · March 2018

SnubbS wrote: »

Tera is a better game than ESO. I'm not even a Tera fan, I intend to grind BDO when it comes to Xbox—but to push this "Actually to the contrary ESO is great" narrative is just hilarious.

Tera is an awful game, I don't know how you could make that claim with a straight face. And the second part of your comment, the bolded part, is the understatement of the year. BDO has similar grind to Lineage 2, if anyone remembers that.

Also, both of those games use gender locked classes, with the vast majority being locked to female, which to me is just stupid and arbitrarily limiting.

Drachenfier · March 2018

SnubbS wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

TESO is the only game I lag so much

TESO is the only game that introduce bugs just for purchasing a chapter.

TESO is the only game that manages to introduce major bugs at EVERY main update.

I love this game but no the bugs and lags are not good.

Uhhh, no.....the bolded happens in every game.

But i do agree with your first point.

Drachenfier wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

TESO is the only game I lag so much

TESO is the only game that introduce bugs just for purchasing a chapter.

TESO is the only game that manages to introduce major bugs at EVERY main update.

I love this game but no the bugs and lags are not good.

Uhhh, no.....the bolded happens in every game.

But i do agree with your first point.

No, the bold does not happen in every game. It doesn't even happen in every mmo.

Yes, it most certainly does. Without exception.

IV_Deity · March 2018

TBH, I think of this frequently. This game may have its issues just like any other, but dammit, this is the best MMO I've ever played. I've tried so many different ones and the longest was Runescape lol (I was young back then so excuse me). ESO happens to be the most fluid and innovative. The combat is really like no other.

jedtb16_ESO · March 2018

Pelamina wrote: »

It doesn't really matter how well you build it and how good it is objectively.

People will complain.

Always.

^this.

i have played a large number of games online going back to kesmai on compuserve that cost about 6 quid an hour to play. on every game forum i have visited since then you will find threads and posts along the lines of...

this is the worst game i've played

this game has more lag than any other game

this game has more bugs than any other game

and more bots more cheats more disconnects etc, etc etc....

and when questioned the people posting the whines always say.... it doesn't happen on any other game.

well... it does.

every game has bugs and lag and etc....

eso is no worse than any other... in my experience in terms of lag, bugs and disconnects it's a lot better than most.

oh and great story and graphics too... nothing you could accuse wow of.

terrordactyl1971 · March 2018

The time for a dev to worry is when theres no one saying anything, cos they all went to other games

temjiu · March 2018

Few points:
1) Players who are happy with a game tend to not come to the forums...they just play the game. Thus you will tend to see more Frustration in the forums then positive comments.
2) ESO is a AAA title, so more is expected from it.
3) ESO has some issues that are very long standing, and have been afflicting players for very long times. Most other AAA titles fix issues of that sort quickly...or at least within a year or so. were going on multiple years with no consistent fix for some glaring issues. like the lag. I don't personally experience it, But I know it's a hot button for many, So I support their frustration.
4) ESO doesn't have the best communication with the playerbase. There are others that are far worse for sure, but I've found that players frustration levels tend to directly correlate with communication levels from the developer. the less communication, the more frustration. Since ESO is mediocre at best (and poor at worst) with communication, this affects the frustration levels. Even if there's bad bugs, effective communication in other games forestalls allot of the frustration.

So in reality, it's a group of things, each by themselves don't speak BAD, but they all add up and proliferate the frustration on the forums. and in closing, I'll point out the wise advice of a long time gamer: there will always be a worse game, and there will always be a better game. You take the game as is, and always push the dev team to do more, better.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

I never said it was something we should overlook, but my point is, ESO is pretty decent compared to a lot of other MMO's.

"Pretty decent" is 'pretty' subjective.

Well, if people post here it means that they're still playing the game. If they're still playing the game, it means the game's pretty decent. And that's pretty objective.

You're not seeing the intent of the post. There are people that play the game simply because nothing else interests them. There are people that play the game because they play with certain people. People playing doesn't mean that the game is pretty decent. It just means that they're playing. That's why it's subjective and your statement seems to be rather faulty in terms of deductive reasoning.

Judas Helviaryn · March 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

I never said it was something we should overlook, but my point is, ESO is pretty decent compared to a lot of other MMO's.

"Pretty decent" is 'pretty' subjective.

Well, if people post here it means that they're still playing the game. If they're still playing the game, it means the game's pretty decent. And that's pretty objective.

You have to understand, people who play this game are invested in it. It was good at one point, and then it went downhill. We're hoping it turns around and starts climbing again, but it will not do that unless we're vocal with our criticism.

You may be one of those people who drops other things/people the moment they go sour, but I'm not, and the majority of the forum-goers are not, as evidenced by the responses on this thread.

Don't be complacent.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2018

You’re comparing a pay to play game vs other free to play games?????

KingYogi415 · March 2018

I bought a high end laptop to play GW2 on.

Currently leveleing a magwarden and stamsorc to PvP with XD

Mettaricana · March 2018

Azyle1 wrote: »

I have placed many PC MMO's and console MMO's and let me tell ya.... I see a lot of people get mad at ESO for lag and bugs and general "Jankiness" but.... its LEAGUES better than other MMO's. Tera, just came out on the Xbox One X and it runs like GARBAGE. It's awkward and doesn't feel good. That isn't to say it's a bad game, but.. ESO seems smooth as butter compared to this (as well as Neverwinter and FFXIV on PS4).

Note - I play ESO on Xbox One X but I also have a PC account I screw around on.

Dont tell me that i was just bout to leave eso for tera..

To be fair though after the pc launch of tera it was rough but didnt take 3 month dlc increments to fix the bugs

SnubbS · March 2018

Drachenfier wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Tera is a better game than ESO. I'm not even a Tera fan, I intend to grind BDO when it comes to Xbox—but to push this "Actually to the contrary ESO is great" narrative is just hilarious.

Tera is an awful game, I don't know how you could make that claim with a straight face. And the second part of your comment, the bolded part, is the understatement of the year. BDO has similar grind to Lineage 2, if anyone remembers that.

Also, both of those games use gender locked classes, with the vast majority being locked to female, which to me is just stupid and arbitrarily limiting.

Tera has more depth, better combat system, and more unique playstyles (while still being effective) playstyles. Classes in this game don't even feel unique, especially the stamina-based specs of those classes. It runs better than ESO—but literally everything I've ever played runs better than ESO. I don't think Tera is a great game, obviously I don't—after all I put about 200~ hours into it on PC and decided to play BDO instead. ESO is possibly the most hollow MMO I've ever played, it's only positive point is the overland story content for casual players. The end-game PvE runs terribly and is broken half the time. There was a point where Maw was out for 11 months, and broken for 6 of those months.

Grinding is the point of an MMO, and if you think the BDO grind is incomparable to ESO's grind, you're quite hilariously wrong. For years we had to grind the same content hundreds of times for the correct trait to drop, thousands of times in some cases. That's no different than walking in circles killing mobs for hours, not to even mention the CP system. Unless you're just roleplaying in riften, you're grinding for something. Whether it's gear, new chars, pvp ranks, leaderboard scores—it's a grind. It's meant to be a grind. The fun of MMOs (for me) is grinding it for something, getting whatever it was that you wanted, enjoying that for all of 5 seconds and then going for something new, it's about the journey.

Also, BDOs combat system makes ESO feel (and pretty much every other mmo I've played) like a SNES game, so, there's that.

Drachenfier wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

TESO is the only game I lag so much

TESO is the only game that introduce bugs just for purchasing a chapter.

TESO is the only game that manages to introduce major bugs at EVERY main update.

I love this game but no the bugs and lags are not good.

Uhhh, no.....the bolded happens in every game.

But i do agree with your first point.

Drachenfier wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

TESO is the only game I lag so much

TESO is the only game that introduce bugs just for purchasing a chapter.

TESO is the only game that manages to introduce major bugs at EVERY main update.

I love this game but no the bugs and lags are not good.

Uhhh, no.....the bolded happens in every game.

But i do agree with your first point.

No, the bold does not happen in every game. It doesn't even happen in every mmo.

Yes, it most certainly does. Without exception.

It doesn't happen in most triple-A shooters, nor triple-A sports titles (apart from FIFA). There is a specific charm with the broken rickety nature of some MMOs, it reminds me of 2006-2008 console titles which really did feel newly broken every patch. Another key part to this is that when something is broken in ESO, it isn't likely to be fixed in a timely fashion unlike other MMOs, let alone triple-A MMOs. There was a whole patch where VD was broken on console and just didn't proc, there have been multiple patches that have broken multiple trials.

Usually people save the rose tinted glasses for years after they're done with the game.

SnubbS · March 2018

Azyle1 wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Tera is a better game than ESO. I'm not even a Tera fan, I intend to grind BDO when it comes to Xbox—but to push this "Actually to the contrary ESO is great" narrative is just hilarious.

Good joke. I'll play some BDO when it comes, but yeah.. hope you like PVP cause it's PVE content is garbage.

Also, I am still playing Tera, I just do not think it's as fun or as good as ESO. I did play it on PC years ago though and it was mediocre then too, but for a free game, I figured I would try it again. Just making my observations.

Yeah the only thing I'm interested in is PvP.

Voxicity · March 2018

I'm happy with everything about ESO and it's performance in every single location except Cyrodiil

4 different unkillable ball group zergs spamming abilities non stop all over the map causing 999 ping no matter where in Cyrodiil you are. Something seriously needs to be done about that

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2018

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

You're not seeing the intent of the post. There are people that play the game simply because nothing else interests them. There are people that play the game because they play with certain people. People playing doesn't mean that the game is pretty decent. It just means that they're playing. That's why it's subjective and your statement seems to be rather faulty in terms of deductive reasoning.

I love the way you ASSUME the reasons why people play the game. Are you in their heads ? Got any studies ?
It seems far more objective to me to deduct that they play the game because they like it. And that they like it because it's "pretty decent".

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2018

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

I never said it was something we should overlook, but my point is, ESO is pretty decent compared to a lot of other MMO's.

"Pretty decent" is 'pretty' subjective.

Well, if people post here it means that they're still playing the game. If they're still playing the game, it means the game's pretty decent. And that's pretty objective.

You have to understand, people who play this game are invested in it. It was good at one point, and then it went downhill. We're hoping it turns around and starts climbing again, but it will not do that unless we're vocal with our criticism.

You may be one of those people who drops other things/people the moment they go sour, but I'm not, and the majority of the forum-goers are not, as evidenced by the responses on this thread.

Don't be complacent.

When was this game ever good ? In my opinion, it always has been. But looking at people's complaints here on the forums, it truly never has been, EVER.
People would not have been invested in the game if it wasn't good. People wouldn't play if they didn't enjoy it. And don't tell me about addiction or loyalty : there are thousands of other games out there, and gaming addicts tend to jump from game to game even more than casual players.
People play ESO because ESO is good. Simple as that. Including those who complain.

Could it be better ? Sure. Like anything.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

You're not seeing the intent of the post. There are people that play the game simply because nothing else interests them. There are people that play the game because they play with certain people. People playing doesn't mean that the game is pretty decent. It just means that they're playing. That's why it's subjective and your statement seems to be rather faulty in terms of deductive reasoning.

I love the way you ASSUME the reasons why people play the game. Are you in their heads ? Got any studies ?
It seems far more objective to me to deduct that they play the game because they like it. And that they like it because it's "pretty decent".

There's this awesome thing called reading reviews. Perhaps you should try it sometime. Also, it's funny that you say I'm assuming when you go right to assuming in your last sentence. Nice try, Valentina. Nice try. Also because it bares repeating;

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

I never said it was something we should overlook, but my point is, ESO is pretty decent compared to a lot of other MMO's.

"Pretty decent" is 'pretty' subjective.

Well, if people post here it means that they're still playing the game. If they're still playing the game, it means the game's pretty decent. And that's pretty objective.

You have to understand, people who play this game are invested in it. It was good at one point, and then it went downhill. We're hoping it turns around and starts climbing again, but it will not do that unless we're vocal with our criticism.

You may be one of those people who drops other things/people the moment they go sour, but I'm not, and the majority of the forum-goers are not, as evidenced by the responses on this thread.

Don't be complacent.

When was this game ever good ? In my opinion, it always has been. But looking at people's complaints here on the forums, it truly never has been, EVER.
People would not have been invested in the game if it wasn't good. People wouldn't play if they didn't enjoy it. And don't tell me about addiction or loyalty : there are thousands of other games out there, and gaming addicts tend to jump from game to game even more than casual players.
People play ESO because ESO is good. Simple as that. Including those who complain.

Could it be better ? Sure. Like anything.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

You're not seeing the intent of the post. There are people that play the game simply because nothing else interests them. There are people that play the game because they play with certain people. People playing doesn't mean that the game is pretty decent. It just means that they're playing. That's why it's subjective and your statement seems to be rather faulty in terms of deductive reasoning.

I love the way you ASSUME the reasons why people play the game.

After that you can't expect me to take you seriously, ergo I'm just not going to engage you any further.