Y'all do not give ESO enough credit...

Azyle1

I have placed many PC MMO's and console MMO's and let me tell ya.... I see a lot of people get mad at ESO for lag and bugs and general "Jankiness" but.... its LEAGUES better than other MMO's. Tera, just came out on the Xbox One X and it runs like GARBAGE. It's awkward and doesn't feel good. That isn't to say it's a bad game, but.. ESO seems smooth as butter compared to this (as well as Neverwinter and FFXIV on PS4).

Note - I play ESO on Xbox One X but I also have a PC account I screw around on.

Judas Helviaryn

That doesn't mean the particularly glaring, existing issues are excusable. ZOS has a spotty track record, at best, on keeping up with their community and customers.

Server performance is a prime issue, the DirectX incident is still a sore spot for people, and the game is infested with bots. This is just off the top of my head, half awake as I am already.

Give people a moment, and the issues will become apparent very quickly.


Can we compare ESO to Tera, Aion, Rift, or even WoW? Even GW2?
Wrong is wrong, and right is right. It's about being fair.

mb10

I realised how good ZOS are when I encountered DICE for Star Wars battlefront 2 lmao these guys will let a genuine game breaking bug live freely for over 2 months and have 0 communication with community

ZOS and ESO is really good my only complaint is lack of Cyrodiil attention

Azyle1

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

That doesn't mean the particularly glaring, existing issues are excusable. ZOS has a spotty track record, at best, on keeping up with their community and customers.

Server performance is a prime issue, the DirectX incident is still a sore spot for people, and the game is infested with bots. This is just off the top of my head, half awake as I am already.

Give people a moment, and the issues will become apparent very quickly.


Can we compare ESO to Tera, Aion, Rift, or even WoW? Even GW2?
Wrong is wrong, and right is right. It's about being fair.

I never said it was something we should overlook, but my point is, ESO is pretty decent compared to a lot of other MMO's.

FleetwoodSmack

Azyle1 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

That doesn't mean the particularly glaring, existing issues are excusable. ZOS has a spotty track record, at best, on keeping up with their community and customers.

Server performance is a prime issue, the DirectX incident is still a sore spot for people, and the game is infested with bots. This is just off the top of my head, half awake as I am already.

Give people a moment, and the issues will become apparent very quickly.


Can we compare ESO to Tera, Aion, Rift, or even WoW? Even GW2?
Wrong is wrong, and right is right. It's about being fair.

I never said it was something we should overlook, but my point is, ESO is pretty decent compared to a lot of other MMO's.

"Pretty decent" is 'pretty' subjective.

Azyle1

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

That doesn't mean the particularly glaring, existing issues are excusable. ZOS has a spotty track record, at best, on keeping up with their community and customers.

Server performance is a prime issue, the DirectX incident is still a sore spot for people, and the game is infested with bots. This is just off the top of my head, half awake as I am already.

Give people a moment, and the issues will become apparent very quickly.


Can we compare ESO to Tera, Aion, Rift, or even WoW? Even GW2?
Wrong is wrong, and right is right. It's about being fair.

I never said it was something we should overlook, but my point is, ESO is pretty decent compared to a lot of other MMO's.

"Pretty decent" is 'pretty' subjective.

I tell ya, people these days aren't happy with anything.

ForsakenSin

so let me get this right.. just because there is something out there performing worse then ESO we should be happy, quiet and take it and stop asking ZoS to fix the problems?

The reason why we complain its not because we hate the game , its because we care , love it and want it to be improved.

Apache_Kid

I crash daily on this game on my Xbox One X and ESO on a SSD. I crash due to coding errors.

The code is bad.

JWKe

Difference between TERA and ESO is that ESO is a Triple A title where as TERA it's expected that they'll fail.

Morgul667

TESO is the only game I lag so much

TESO is the only game that introduce bugs just for purchasing a chapter.

TESO is the only game that manages to introduce major bugs at EVERY main update.

I love this game but no the bugs and lags are not good.

Jameliel

Azyle1 wrote: »

I have placed many PC MMO's and console MMO's and let me tell ya.... I see a lot of people get mad at ESO for lag and bugs and general "Jankiness" but.... its LEAGUES better than other MMO's. Tera, just came out on the Xbox One X and it runs like GARBAGE. It's awkward and doesn't feel good. That isn't to say it's a bad game, but.. ESO seems smooth as butter compared to this (as well as Neverwinter and FFXIV on PS4).

Note - I play ESO on Xbox One X but I also have a PC account I screw around on.

Apparently you haven't played that many if it's not obvious that ESO goes above and beyond most with the amount of bugs and lag. Been gaming 20+ years myself, and ESO has the most bugs of any well-established MMO I've ever played.

FleetwoodSmack

Azyle1 wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

That doesn't mean the particularly glaring, existing issues are excusable. ZOS has a spotty track record, at best, on keeping up with their community and customers.

Server performance is a prime issue, the DirectX incident is still a sore spot for people, and the game is infested with bots. This is just off the top of my head, half awake as I am already.

Give people a moment, and the issues will become apparent very quickly.


Can we compare ESO to Tera, Aion, Rift, or even WoW? Even GW2?
Wrong is wrong, and right is right. It's about being fair.

I never said it was something we should overlook, but my point is, ESO is pretty decent compared to a lot of other MMO's.

"Pretty decent" is 'pretty' subjective.

I tell ya, people these days aren't happy with anything.

No, it's just stating the obvious. It's not a matter of being 'happy', it's a matter of being honest. There's a multitude of problems within the game that ZoS hasn't even tried to fix for years now. If they fixed those issues? Sure, I'd sub again. Because that'd be trust restored. But until then, there are other MMOs that handle their baggage better.

Korah_Eaglecry

Welcome to the forums. A place for feedback and criticism as well as discussion about topics relating to ESO. Its a website directly controlled and observed by the developers of the game. So theres going to be a lot of discussions about issues impacting the game. It doesnt mean that the players or posters dont appreciate the game or ZOS. Simply that they are very passionate about the game and its content. Sometimes it can get a bit much but often enough the criticism, while not always as clear and concise as it could be, is warranted.

Tasear

Complacency is never a good thing. But not saying anything means you don't care. That's why it gets better every year. My only wish is new player intergreation be easier. It disheartening to see people suffering or afraid to try content or worried they will be judged. I don't know I just want people love the game as much as I do.

ZiRM

I give eso plenty of credit... card.
It has it's problems but I can play for hours without crashes or lag unlike some other MMO's.
It's one of the few MMO's of choice that I don't mind taking up my SSD space.

Silver_Strider

IDK, I've been playing FFXIV for years and while lag and server crashes have happened, mainly when an expansion is released, it gets better and STAYS better. Most bugs and exploits get fixed within a week.

That's one of my main issues with ESO. The game still runs fairly poorly despite years of maintenance. I still crash frequently in PvP or get load screens at just moving thru a zone (not changing zones, just walking throughout the zone has lead to a random 2 second load screen). Some skills/sets/etc can be broken for months or even years before ZOS bothers to fix it.

Really, I just enjoy the combat of ESO over FFXIV but I prefer the stability and balance of FFXIV.

AlexanderDeLarge

I definitely give the game credit but that just makes me harsher on its shortcomings and some of the more egregious business practices they're taking part in. I dislike the paid Imperial class even though I bought the collector's edition. I dislike the loot boxes (sell the mounts for $30 a piece, whatever, just let people buy what they want outright). I dislike how chapters don't really get supported. It'd be nice if chapters had a little time to breathe and they'd release extra content for Morrowind instead of moving straight ahead to Clockwork City.

Things like that add up.

Bhaal5

Azyle1 wrote: »

I have placed many PC MMO's and console MMO's and let me tell ya.... I see a lot of people get mad at ESO for lag and bugs and general "Jankiness" but.... its LEAGUES better than other MMO's. Tera, just came out on the Xbox One X and it runs like GARBAGE. It's awkward and doesn't feel good. That isn't to say it's a bad game, but.. ESO seems smooth as butter compared to this (as well as Neverwinter and FFXIV on PS4).

Note - I play ESO on Xbox One X but I also have a PC account I screw around on.

Cant say ive played tera but ive played eso on pc and ps4 and can compare it to swtor, eve and gw2 (mainly gw2) on pc.

As a oceanic player, i feel all three treat oceanic players 10 times better. As never had maintenance in our peak time, daily lag issues to the extent eso does, community competitions where for everyone not selected parts of the world....

Will admit swtor was lacking in the content side of things just like eso and eve was a struggle in general.

Gw2 was my smoothest ride, heaps of content (same as eso dungeon, trial and wvw wise and extra things to do competitively and socially) its just a sad eso is my only choice of mmo on console with nothing great insight.

Eso could be great if they apent time and money in the right areas to begin with rather than the currently "recycle and break" model currently used.

frausty

Azyle1 wrote: »

I have placed many PC MMO's and console MMO's and let me tell ya.... I see a lot of people get mad at ESO for lag and bugs and general "Jankiness" but.... its LEAGUES better than other MMO's. Tera, just came out on the Xbox One X and it runs like GARBAGE. It's awkward and doesn't feel good. That isn't to say it's a bad game, but.. ESO seems smooth as butter compared to this (as well as Neverwinter and FFXIV on PS4).

Note - I play ESO on Xbox One X but I also have a PC account I screw around on.

Serious congrats for trying to bring positivity to the forum. I'm with you on this. play on Xbox EU and have very few issues that interrupt my gameplay, but with a forum you will rarely get anyone say anything positive just because it's the way human's are conditioned these days. Positive articles are seen as hype, lies or propaganda rather than taken on face value that someones' positive experience, that they have chosen to share, may actually be true.

Rohamad_Ali

Mega server technology is still relatively new to mmos and it's a learning experience for ZoS . New game company with new toys and it's still heavily populated and wins awards . None of us like lag an no one at ZoS does either . I put up with the problems because ZoS has been very kind to me and the game is awesome most of the time I don't pvp .

Zinaroth

Nah it's pretty bad.
You say it's leagues ahead of other MMO experiences - guess you haven't played World of Warcraft; a more smooth, bug free MMORPG experience on stable servers cannot be found.

frausty

Zinaroth wrote: »

Nah it's pretty bad.
You say it's leagues ahead of other MMO experiences - guess you haven't played World of Warcraft; a more smooth, bug free MMORPG experience on stable servers cannot be found.

WoW is a better experience on PC but as it's not an option on console then that doesn't apply to a lot of us - it is also a lot more mature as it has been around since 2004, (I think). I'm not sure in the first 3 or 4 years it was as complex as ESO or necessarily performing as well as it does after 14 years

Pelamina

It doesn't really matter how well you build it and how good it is objectively.

People will complain.

Always.

Grimm13

Azyle1 wrote: »

I never said it was something we should overlook, but my point is, ESO is pretty decent compared to a lot of other MMO's.

The fact that we are here to have this discussion pretty much means we feel the same. I do cast my eye from time to time on other games. If I find one that suits me better then I will not be having discussions here any longer.

It becomes more frequent for me to look at other games, as the problems seem to be mounting up. The players express their opinions here as they want to see these mounting problems fixed instead of leaving for another game. It also gets to be more and more frustrating we are met with the wall of silence from ZOS.

anitajoneb17_ESO

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

I never said it was something we should overlook, but my point is, ESO is pretty decent compared to a lot of other MMO's.

"Pretty decent" is 'pretty' subjective.

Well, if people post here it means that they're still playing the game. If they're still playing the game, it means the game's pretty decent. And that's pretty objective.

Grabmoore

Apache_Kid wrote: »

I crash daily on this game on my Xbox One X and ESO on a SSD. I crash due to coding errors.

The code is bad.

I never ever crashed in raids or Cyrodiil. Ever. Only sometimes, when loading all addons at once while porting to a crowded zone, I might crash.

[Edited to remove Baiting comment]

ParaNostram

I agree that people are too hard on the devs//complain too much (and not hard enough on the publishers and share holders, those are the yahoos pushing to monetize everything, the "[redacted] with the money" to quote Guillermo del Toro)

I will also say that there are a number of issues that I wish would be resolved in the game but again, it's not the dev's fault, they're stretched so thin between new content, bug fixes, and creating garbage cash shop items to fill the pockets of the publishers and producers (because none of that money ever goes towards hiring new people and upgrading the servers, just enriching the already rich)

knaveofengland

if you compare games for many things , 1 just give 1 example eve online maintence is like i be generous here 30mins , eso well like very long time .

players have the right to complain , after all we all like to get things off our chest and then feel all warm and cosy after wards , i would say there are quite a few drama queens .

most if they unhappy will simply move on ,eso are aware of most of the isses if not all of them.

dont you think for 1 minute eso trys hard to fix any issue , as a company they are not going to air thier laundry on the forums thats not how it works

Apache_Kid

Grabmoore wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

I crash daily on this game on my Xbox One X and ESO on a SSD. I crash due to coding errors.

The code is bad.

I never ever crashed in raids or Cyrodiil. Ever. Only sometimes, when loading all addons at once while porting to a crowded zone, I might crash.

My crashes happen when my screen freezes up, game makes a stuttering noise and I am at the Xbox dashboard. When a Xbox came crashes in this manner it is a crash caused by a coding error. I was told this directly by Microsoft employees, multiple times.

It is definitely not my hardware. I have the best hardware for a console on the market. If it is my hardware then ESO truly shouldn't even be released on consoles but its NOT my hardware its the bad code.

If you understood anything at all about how this works you would know that there is a PC port of the game and an Xbox port and the Xbox one was poorly coded.

[Removed baiting comment]

Azyle1

Good grief.

Starting to learn how whiny y'all are. I never once said that the bugs in ESO were acceptable. But in MY experience, the grass is not greener.

Granted, WoW and FFXIV on PC ( comparing to ESO on Xbox) are better and run smoother. Granted a lot of people do not realize that ESO is more complex in it;s world, quest, characters, things to do, etc.

All I was saying is ESO, despite it's numerous flaws, is still a pretty good game and runs decent compared to some other MMO's.

I played WoW for 10 years, but WoW is boring.. ESO is not. I'll take the bugs over a stale formula.

But no, half of you are like those employees that work at a job that complain about it everyday, despite still coming into work.

Also, I am not saying criticism is unwelcome. We need criticism, but when someone makes a semi-positive post, don't come in and crap all over it. It's what is wrong with society... no one can ever be even a little happy and express it without the jerks and neckbeards coming in saying, "Well ACTUALLY!"

Drachenfier

Morgul667 wrote: »

TESO is the only game I lag so much

TESO is the only game that introduce bugs just for purchasing a chapter.

TESO is the only game that manages to introduce major bugs at EVERY main update.

I love this game but no the bugs and lags are not good.

Uhhh, no.....the bolded happens in every game.

But i do agree with your first point.