Should detect pot be 100% uptime?

LeagueTroll

Using detect pot does mean you sacrificing other stuff from pot, i personally think it’s a bit weak to not have it 100% uptime.

Apache_Kid

You don't need more time than it currently allows to burst down a NB after reveal. If you can't burst them down in the allotted time that the pot denies cloak then that's on you.

Edit: You were the same guy who made the "nerf Magblades" thread earlier!

Lol!!!! l2p

static_recharge

Having it up 100% of the time would make it so that it's the only potion used in PvP. It would also completely destroy any stealth gameplay.

Priyasekarssk

Apache_Kid wrote: »

You don't need more time than it currently allows to burst down a NB after reveal. If you can't burst them down in the allotted time that the pot denies cloak then that's on you.

Edit: You were the same guy who made the "nerf Magblades" thread earlier!

Lol!!!! l2p

Another nightblade playing with an broken classing saying others L2P ? What a joke

LeagueTroll

static_recharge wrote: »

Having it up 100% of the time would make it so that it's the only potion used in PvP. It would also completely destroy any stealth gameplay.

When fighting nb sure, but when fighting other classes, no, other pots will be better. That’s the whole idea, eat pot based on what enemy you face.

Apache_Kid

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

You don't need more time than it currently allows to burst down a NB after reveal. If you can't burst them down in the allotted time that the pot denies cloak then that's on you.

Edit: You were the same guy who made the "nerf Magblades" thread earlier!

Lol!!!! l2p

Another nightblade playing with an broken classing saying others L2P ? What a joke

I play like every class in PvP my dude. No bias here. Just educating bad kids

Tommy_The_Gun

static_recharge wrote: »

Having it up 100% of the time would make it so that it's the only potion used in PvP. It would also completely destroy any stealth gameplay.

I agree. But there are alternatives. You can just slot some skills like Expert Hunter, Magelight or Revealing Flare and use them from time to time.... You don't necessary need a potion. There are plenty of ways in this game you can counter stealth.

PlagueSD

Apache_Kid wrote: »

You don't need more time than it currently allows to burst down a NB after reveal. If you can't burst them down in the allotted time that the pot denies cloak then that's on you.

Edit: You were the same guy who made the "nerf Magblades" thread earlier!

Lol!!!! l2p

More like l2useradientmagelight

LeagueTroll

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

static_recharge wrote: »

Having it up 100% of the time would make it so that it's the only potion used in PvP. It would also completely destroy any stealth gameplay.

I agree. But there are alternatives. You can just slot some skills like Expert Hunter, Magelight or Revealing Flare and use them from time to time.... You don't necessary need a potion. There are plenty of ways in this game you can counter stealth.

Mage light and expect hunter has very short duration, and fairly high cost. Need to make it like last 20 second though.

kadar

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Using detect pot does mean you sacrificing other stuff from pot, i personally think it’s a bit weak to not have it 100% uptime.

I'm either using Immovable/Spell Crit/Detect or I'm using Immovable/Spell Crit/Magicka.

It's not really a sacrifice if I'm on the offensive hunting down a stealther, I don't really need the extra Magicka. Either way, not really much of a loss. You shouldn't structure your build to be depended on the resource return of potions, IMO.

Gilvoth

the sorcerers use that 10 milewide tornado skill on a perminant basis and they move Very Fast, it completely removes Everything from stealth.
it's not fair.

kadar

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the sorcerers use that 10 milewide tornado skill on a perminant basis and they move Very Fast, it completely removes Everything from stealth.
it's not fair.

How is it not fair?

It just means stamsorcs don't need to run detect pots.

LeagueTroll

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

You don't need more time than it currently allows to burst down a NB after reveal. If you can't burst them down in the allotted time that the pot denies cloak then that's on you.

Edit: You were the same guy who made the "nerf Magblades" thread earlier!

Lol!!!! l2p

Another nightblade playing with an broken classing saying others L2P ? What a joke

I play like every class in PvP my dude. No bias here. Just educating bad kids

Sure, what server you play on and what r ur character names?

Jhalin

Isn't it funny how many nerf NB threads there are now that Miat's is gone

LeagueTroll

The_Outsider wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Using detect pot does mean you sacrificing other stuff from pot, i personally think it’s a bit weak to not have it 100% uptime.

I'm either using Immovable/Spell Crit/Detect or I'm using Immovable/Spell Crit/Magicka.

It's not really a sacrifice if I'm on the offensive hunting down a stealther, I don't really need the extra Magicka. Either way, not really much of a loss. You shouldn't structure your build to be depended on the resource return of potions, IMO.

So not having the mag regen from pot1 to pot2 is not a sacrifice?

kadar

LeagueTroll wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Using detect pot does mean you sacrificing other stuff from pot, i personally think it’s a bit weak to not have it 100% uptime.

I'm either using Immovable/Spell Crit/Detect or I'm using Immovable/Spell Crit/Magicka.

It's not really a sacrifice if I'm on the offensive hunting down a stealther, I don't really need the extra Magicka. Either way, not really much of a loss. You shouldn't structure your build to be depended on the resource return of potions, IMO.

So not having the mag regen from pot1 to pot2 is not a sacrifice?

Not really, for the reasons I already stated.^ If you're out of Magicka you wouldn't be chasing the NB anyway. If you have Magicka you'd go hunt down the NB, and...wouldn't need the Magicka lol.

Sure you could make an arguement it's technically still a "sacrifice," if you want I guess? I'm not opposed to adding 1 or 2 seconds onto the duration of detect, but 100% isn't even necessary, not to mention absurd.

Apache_Kid

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

You don't need more time than it currently allows to burst down a NB after reveal. If you can't burst them down in the allotted time that the pot denies cloak then that's on you.

Edit: You were the same guy who made the "nerf Magblades" thread earlier!

Lol!!!! l2p

Another nightblade playing with an broken classing saying others L2P ? What a joke

I play like every class in PvP my dude. No bias here. Just educating bad kids

Sure, what server you play on and what r ur character names?

Xbox NA I got 12 of em. Only thing I really don't have is a stamDK

Edit: Gamertag is: iTz John Locke

Feel free to add me and I'll show em to ya

kadar

Apache_Kid wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

You don't need more time than it currently allows to burst down a NB after reveal. If you can't burst them down in the allotted time that the pot denies cloak then that's on you.

Edit: You were the same guy who made the "nerf Magblades" thread earlier!

Lol!!!! l2p

Another nightblade playing with an broken classing saying others L2P ? What a joke

I play like every class in PvP my dude. No bias here. Just educating bad kids

Sure, what server you play on and what r ur character names?

Xbox NA I got 12 of em. Only thing I really don't have is a stamDK

RIP.

#buffstamdkbutnottoomuch

Samadhi

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Using detect pot does mean you sacrificing other stuff from pot, i personally think it’s a bit weak to not have it 100% uptime.

If my recollection is correct, when 100% uptime was attainable previously
it was running two potion glyphs and with the alchemy passive
that would strike me as a reasonable point to return to
while still leaving one jewelry slot open to play around with jewelry crafting updates

Gilvoth

The_Outsider wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the sorcerers use that 10 milewide tornado skill on a perminant basis and they move Very Fast, it completely removes Everything from stealth.
it's not fair.

How is it not fair?

It just means stamsorcs don't need to run detect pots.

because it makes it so we nightblades cannot stealth
it's not fair.

LeagueTroll

Samadhi wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Using detect pot does mean you sacrificing other stuff from pot, i personally think it’s a bit weak to not have it 100% uptime.

If my recollection is correct, when 100% uptime was attainable previously
it was running two potion glyphs and with the alchemy passive
that would strike me as a reasonable point to return to
while still leaving one jewelry slot open to play around with jewelry crafting updates

So you are saying double the current duration is fair?

Mureel

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Using detect pot does mean you sacrificing other stuff from pot, i personally think it’s a bit weak to not have it 100% uptime.

So, what you mean to say is nerf stealth/nb.

Just say that, then.

LeagueTroll

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the sorcerers use that 10 milewide tornado skill on a perminant basis and they move Very Fast, it completely removes Everything from stealth.
it's not fair.

How is it not fair?

It just means stamsorcs don't need to run detect pots.

because it makes it so we nightblades cannot stealth
it's not fair.

Counters exist and are supposed to exist. What other class can do this?

LeagueTroll

Apache_Kid wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

You don't need more time than it currently allows to burst down a NB after reveal. If you can't burst them down in the allotted time that the pot denies cloak then that's on you.

Edit: You were the same guy who made the "nerf Magblades" thread earlier!

Lol!!!! l2p

Another nightblade playing with an broken classing saying others L2P ? What a joke

I play like every class in PvP my dude. No bias here. Just educating bad kids

Sure, what server you play on and what r ur character names?

Xbox NA I got 12 of em. Only thing I really don't have is a stamDK

Edit: Gamertag is: iTz John Locke

Feel free to add me and I'll show em to ya

Too bad I am on pc.

LeagueTroll

Mureel wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Using detect pot does mean you sacrificing other stuff from pot, i personally think it’s a bit weak to not have it 100% uptime.

So, what you mean to say is nerf stealth/nb.

Just say that, then.

What i said is a very specific suggestion. That’s the difference.

MaxwellC

Nope but it should be reverted to the duration it was before; The fact that it had been nerfed was amazing and stupid in the first place.

WakeYourGhost

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Using detect pot does mean you sacrificing other stuff from pot, i personally think it’s a bit weak to not have it 100% uptime.

I was about to give a "different" reply, but then I saw the name. Troll is right there in the damned Name. TROLL. Like, wow - It's almost as bad as the guy literally named "I Hate Nightblades".

Speaking as someone who uses a diverse set of Classes and set ups, I can tell you if you are having enough trouble with a Nightblade in a fight that you need to fully disable one of their primary skills for the entire fight, 100% detect uptime won't actually help you net that kill.

Jhalin wrote: »

Isn't it funny how many nerf NB threads there are now that Miat's is gone

Ya know, I haven't seen this much [snip] on Consoles. NB population is unchanged, and it's still not the "50%" people keep claiming for PC.
It is odd how many NBs there are in PC PvP now that people can't Literally Cheat to avoid taking any serious harm from a well-laid ambush.
It's almost like Console players have... Skill?
...Huh, I wonder if that's because a combination of Macros and Miats removed "Skill" from the game on PC.

[Edited to remove profanity]

Leandor

I thank you for a hearty laugh, OP.

NyassaV

No just slot magelight

LeagueTroll

WakeYourGhost wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Using detect pot does mean you sacrificing other stuff from pot, i personally think it’s a bit weak to not have it 100% uptime.

I was about to give a "different" reply, but then I saw the name. Troll is right there in the damned Name. TROLL. Like, wow - It's almost as bad as the guy literally named "I Hate Nightblades".

Speaking as someone who uses a diverse set of Classes and set ups, I can tell you if you are having enough trouble with a Nightblade in a fight that you need to fully disable one of their primary skills for the entire fight, 100% detect uptime won't actually help you net that kill.

Jhalin wrote: »

Isn't it funny how many nerf NB threads there are now that Miat's is gone

Ya know, I haven't seen this much [snip] on Consoles. NB population is unchanged, and it's still not the "50%" people keep claiming for PC.
It is odd how many NBs there are in PC PvP now that people can't Literally Cheat to avoid taking any serious harm from a well-laid ambush.
It's almost like Console players have... Skill?
...Huh, I wonder if that's because a combination of Macros and Miats removed "Skill" from the game on PC.

I don’t hate nightblade, i main magplar in pvp, i can only kill the squishy and i get in stalemates all the time. Your assumption about me was incorrect. And yes, running out of detect duration was the reason for quite a few times that i did not get kill.

[Edited for quote]

ak_pvp

No. There is tuning down, then there is removing stealth. Detect pots in their current AoE of destruction are bad. They need to be user reveal only, so even if you damage them, no one else can see them unless you AoE them.