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Should they add the Empire as a forth playable faction?
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OneKhajiitCrimeWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭Luckylancer wrote: »I would love that to happen but it wont happen. If they make last imperial passive something usefull for general use, that would be enough for me.
How does it not have general use? People cry about how "bad" the imperial is, so let's actually look at it:
Extra 12% Health: biggest health boost and can give stam dps a bit more survivability
Extra 10% Stamina: Joint largest boost to stamina with the Redguards
Chance to restore a percentage of you health with a heavy attack: Again this increases the survivability of the Imperial.
Most trials based stam DPS run with below 1000 stam recovery, so tell me how that Redguard passive helps with sustain? And adrenaline rush is good, but it's not going to make or break your sustain on a stam DPS.
People act like the Red Diamond passive is a bad thing when actually it's pretty strong. Stop asking ZOS to change it.
I'm sick of people acting like they're bad for anything but tanking. Sorry if I'm jumping down your throat a bit but meh, sick of seeing itEdited by OneKhajiitCrimeWave on March 27, 2018 3:51PMDark Flare is the Beginning, Radiant is the End. Hail the Light Bringers!0 -
VDoom1✭✭✭✭✭No Empire is dead.I would absolutely love to say yes here. As my first character in ESO and my main is an Imperial. I have always loved the Empire, and Oblivion is a great game one I still game now and then. Cyrodiil is my favorite land above all. But, in the reality of things with the setting ESO has it is just not possible. Not right now in the time ESO is set in anyways.
I have wanted this. But people tell me one simple fact and I understand that it is just not going to work. That one fact being, that the remaining Imperial forces are all in Mannimarcos pocket. Those who have not been killed by any invading faction(Pact, Covenant & Dominion), or by Daedra or who simply did not desert. The remaining "loyal" (depends on your definition) Imperial soldiers are all technically our enemies. As they serve Mannimarco.
I'd love to join an Imperial Faction, I would. But it just will not work. Not unless we get some portal that leads forward in time to when a Septim rules the Empire. Or something like that.We Fight For Cyrodiil.
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NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.If they did this with a Cyrodiil revamp I'd be downFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oh yes please. AD can't wait to solo 3 factions at the same time 24/7. I'm cheering on the inside.
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hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.OrdoHermetica wrote: »The empire is legitimately dead. The legions are either under Daedric control or are so diminished that they're literally six people squatting in a ruined building in Imperial City. Non-Daedric loyalists don't really exist as independent entities anymore - they've been absorbed by other factions (primarily the DC).
Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
The orcs are now part of the DC.
Of the three alliances, the only one that could lead to a restored Cyrodiilic empire is the DC:
- The Dominion would just absorb the conquered provinces into itself, to rule them all from Summerset... at most it could become something similar to the Ayleid empire; most definitely not something an imperial Cyrod would want.
- The Pact doesn't care at all about the empire and would most likely just dismantle it for good.
Ayleids enslaved , the AD stands for equality. A bit of a difference.
AD wants everyone who isnt an elf or khajiit to be a 2nd class citizen at best
13th*
Bosmer are 2nd grade already, and Khajiit at best 12th in the eyes of dominion
Name checks out.
And no, a lot of Altmers still consider other races to be 2nd class citizens but it's according to those Altmers alone. According to Queen Aryenn and the leaders of the Dominion, everyone is equal. Dominion's policies reflect that.
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krismissee82✭✭✭Maybe... since this isn't one of the options and it's what I would choose.Kaelindi - Stamblade
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hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.OrdoHermetica wrote: »The empire is legitimately dead. The legions are either under Daedric control or are so diminished that they're literally six people squatting in a ruined building in Imperial City. Non-Daedric loyalists don't really exist as independent entities anymore - they've been absorbed by other factions (primarily the DC).
Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
The orcs are now part of the DC.
Of the three alliances, the only one that could lead to a restored Cyrodiilic empire is the DC:
- The Dominion would just absorb the conquered provinces into itself, to rule them all from Summerset... at most it could become something similar to the Ayleid empire; most definitely not something an imperial Cyrod would want.
- The Pact doesn't care at all about the empire and would most likely just dismantle it for good.
Ayleids enslaved , the AD stands for equality. A bit of a difference.
The Thalmor would like to have a word with you....and equality isn't the word.
Don't mistake 1st and 2nd Dominion Thalmor with 3rd Dominion Thalmor.
There are Bosmer and Khajiit in the Thalmor of 1st and 2nd Dominion.
3rd Dominion's Thalmor (what you see in Skyrim) is totally different, they take the name of the Thalmor because Thalmor used to stand for something good in the 1st and 2nd Dominion.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!3 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.hmsdragonfly wrote: »OrdoHermetica wrote: »The empire is legitimately dead. The legions are either under Daedric control or are so diminished that they're literally six people squatting in a ruined building in Imperial City. Non-Daedric loyalists don't really exist as independent entities anymore - they've been absorbed by other factions (primarily the DC).
Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
The orcs are now part of the DC.
Of the three alliances, the only one that could lead to a restored Cyrodiilic empire is the DC:
- The Dominion would just absorb the conquered provinces into itself, to rule them all from Summerset... at most it could become something similar to the Ayleid empire; most definitely not something an imperial Cyrod would want.
- The Pact doesn't care at all about the empire and would most likely just dismantle it for good.
Ayleids enslaved , the AD stands for equality. A bit of a difference.
AD wants everyone who isnt an elf or khajiit to be a 2nd class citizen at best
13th*
Bosmer are 2nd grade already, and Khajiit at best 12th in the eyes of dominion
Name checks out.
And no, a lot of Altmers still consider other races to be 2nd class citizens but it's according to those Altmers alone. According to Queen Aryenn and the leaders of the Dominion, everyone is equal. Dominion's policies reflect that.
If everyone's equal, why would an altmer infant be a better ruler than a human ruler with experience? Clearly Ayrenn favors the altmer infant and therefore 2nd class citizenship1 -
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✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »OrdoHermetica wrote: »The empire is legitimately dead. The legions are either under Daedric control or are so diminished that they're literally six people squatting in a ruined building in Imperial City. Non-Daedric loyalists don't really exist as independent entities anymore - they've been absorbed by other factions (primarily the DC).
Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
The orcs are now part of the DC.
Of the three alliances, the only one that could lead to a restored Cyrodiilic empire is the DC:
- The Dominion would just absorb the conquered provinces into itself, to rule them all from Summerset... at most it could become something similar to the Ayleid empire; most definitely not something an imperial Cyrod would want.
- The Pact doesn't care at all about the empire and would most likely just dismantle it for good.
Ayleids enslaved , the AD stands for equality. A bit of a difference.
AD wants everyone who isnt an elf or khajiit to be a 2nd class citizen at best
13th*
Bosmer are 2nd grade already, and Khajiit at best 12th in the eyes of dominion
Name checks out.
And no, a lot of Altmers still consider other races to be 2nd class citizens but it's according to those Altmers alone. According to Queen Aryenn and the leaders of the Dominion, everyone is equal. Dominion's policies reflect that.
Everyone is equal, that is why queen send her troops to eat children of other nations. Everyone is equal, that is for sure - equally regarded as sub life form compared to how they see them. Pitiful.0 -
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✭Neither. I dont think game really needs factions as something people select on character creation, but get part of while playing.
Cant vote NO either, since we know that the Empire is not dead. Empire strikes back laters.>>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<0 -
OrdoHermetica✭✭✭✭✭
✭No Empire is dead.Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
...and? The Cyrodilic Empires have historically grown through conquest. They have attacked a lot of people that end up becoming valued Imperial citizens, and this continues throughout Elder Scrolls history. The fact that the Bretons and Redguards have attacked the Orcs in the past doesn't preclude them working together to rebuild the empire... as evidenced by them being allies in the DC.Edited by OrdoHermetica on March 27, 2018 11:51PM0 -
Wrecking_Blow_Spam✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.Genuinely clicked in thinking you meant from star wars lolXbox one EU
8 Flawless conquerors on all class specs (4 stam, 4 magicka)
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OrdoHermetica✭✭✭✭✭
✭No Empire is dead.Neither. I dont think game really needs factions as something people select on character creation, but get part of while playing.
Cant vote NO either, since we know that the Empire is not dead. Empire strikes back laters.
Different Empire. The Reman (Second) Empire is indeed quite dead at this point. There won't be a unified empire again until Talos goes and becomes Tiber Septim.0 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No Empire is dead.The empire that was is gone and shattered, whiule the three alliances keep fighting over its corpse - that's the whole point of the interregnum and the three banners war (note that is it called the "THREE banners war", because the imperial remnants are nowhere near strong enough to be considered a banner of their own at this point in time).
And it will remain like that until Talos rises to put the pieces back together - in about three centuries from the ESO time.
On a more technical side... they would have to make an entire new mainstory for this, meaning loads of effort; and they would not be able to make as much profit from it... I mean, five regions anda starter isle worth of effort? For what they can get from it? Making one-region DLCs and XL-sized region expansions has a lot better effort/profit ratio.
Thus it would be highly unlikely they would ever seriously consider the notion.
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One -maaaybe- way this might happen is if they make it a later option, like... if they made some way to defect from your faction... as I stated elsewhere:...and if they made something like that, they -could- add more options to defect to then just the other two alliances.TheShadowScout wrote: »
No.Would you like alliance change token?
But if the question were "Would you like a way to change our characters alliance" instead, then my answer would be...
...Yes.
IF done -right-!
And I am thinking about a whole DLC with a "cloak and dagger" theme, dealing with spycraft, betrayal, foreign agents and dark deals made in shadows (and possibly some involvement of Boethiah, since this would be right up her alley)... involving travels all over Tamriel, revisiting many places (possibly reusing one-time storyline maps with new mobs) and perhaps even some new small map, some neutral city where agents from all alliances meet to spy hard (think cold-war era vienna, or something liek that... possibly a post-mainstory Isle of Stirk? Or some other city-state that has not joined any of the alliances...) with a "faction loyalty called in question" plot, where your characters get to make a -BIG- choice:
- Do they stay loyal to their alliance and find out who framed them, hunting down the real culprit to prove their loyalty...
OR
- Do they take the opportunity to defect to greener pastures elsewhere?
With the rest of the questline being different depending on the choice made, one way you find out the truth, secure evidence of your innocence, and hunt down the real traitors, and the other way you court your desired alliance, grab some secrets to trade for your asylum along the way, and escape the agents sent to bring you in...
...bonus points for using familiar faces. I mean, I have a character or two who would love to slam a porticullis into Razun-dars face while they hop on a boat bound for morrowind with Naryu...
And there could be nifty titles for this too. Like "[original faction] Loyalist" and "[original faction] Defector", depending on which way each character chooses...
Obviously this would be a "one-time thing", so we wouldn't have serial defectors in Tamriel...
And on the PvP front... there could be drawbacks to "going traitor", like reduced AP gains for a while in your new alliance, or even requiring people to re-earn their current allaince rank before they get to advance any further; and obviously taking down a "defector" would be worth more to their erstwhile comrades; there even could be a daily "Hunt traitor" quest and a visual clue as to who is such in cyrodil while that quest was active, you know, because...
Like...
...an "Imperial remnant" faction that makes all the imperial NPCS in cyrodil neutral toweards you, but all the other factions hostile, and you start not in some fortified home base, but some unsecured (and thus invadeable by the other alliances) imperial camp, with alliance war missions trying to recapture all of cyrodil for the empire (colored purple, symbol imperial diamond)...
...an "outlaw" faction that is hostile to everyone AND always kill on sight by every justice guard (and thus would not be much fun to play I reckon), but makes all the bandits neutral (as thieves stick together or something like that) and lets you start in a "hidden" (but invadeable by other alliances) cyrodil outlaw refugee, with alliance war missions mainly centered on -capturing- (aka, "plundering") resources and less with holding them (colored brown, symbol skulls and crossbones, yarr!)...
...and a "neutral" faction that is, well, neutral (but attackable) to every alliance and other faction, and starts in a merchant camp, but doesn't get any alliance war quests at all and is incapable of conquering keeps or other places (colored grey, symbol... no idea actually, could be anything... olive branch, maybe?).0 -
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✭✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.I did put yes...as it would be ace...
But if you look at the PVP map...where would you put their base, and "home" keeps?
The map currently is only designed for 3 factions and brutal honesty it is only going to be 3.
If a 4th would be introduced it would mean a map rework and alliance change as I can guess people who have imperial characters might want the option to fight for the empire...etc etc.
But it would be ace, if it happens happy to eat my words.
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.OrdoHermetica wrote: »The empire is legitimately dead. The legions are either under Daedric control or are so diminished that they're literally six people squatting in a ruined building in Imperial City. Non-Daedric loyalists don't really exist as independent entities anymore - they've been absorbed by other factions (primarily the DC).
Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
The orcs are now part of the DC.
Of the three alliances, the only one that could lead to a restored Cyrodiilic empire is the DC:
- The Dominion would just absorb the conquered provinces into itself, to rule them all from Summerset... at most it could become something similar to the Ayleid empire; most definitely not something an imperial Cyrod would want.
- The Pact doesn't care at all about the empire and would most likely just dismantle it for good.
Ayleids enslaved , the AD stands for equality. A bit of a difference.
AD wants everyone who isnt an elf or khajiit to be a 2nd class citizen at best
You are talking about who you fought against in the AD story line. Seriously, dont have such a selective memory.
Just take a look at AD's "Your Queen Commands" it states that it would rather place an altmer infant than let another race sit on the ruby throne and under the same breath talk about inexperience and youth. If that doesnt scream 2nd class citizenry, nothing will.
Well, its that, or Emericks " fill the streets with their blood " , or the EP which will likely kill everyone or enslave everyone as nords and dunmer do. And yes, altmer are, even if pompous, far wiser than most races of men in this game, so I agree with her. The races of man in TES are short sighted, not looking at the long run. Elves look at the long run. There are exceptions to the rule, but generally it is what it is. But with your argument, its either 2nd class citizen, genocide, or slavery. so....0 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.OrdoHermetica wrote: »The empire is legitimately dead. The legions are either under Daedric control or are so diminished that they're literally six people squatting in a ruined building in Imperial City. Non-Daedric loyalists don't really exist as independent entities anymore - they've been absorbed by other factions (primarily the DC).
Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
The orcs are now part of the DC.
Of the three alliances, the only one that could lead to a restored Cyrodiilic empire is the DC:
- The Dominion would just absorb the conquered provinces into itself, to rule them all from Summerset... at most it could become something similar to the Ayleid empire; most definitely not something an imperial Cyrod would want.
- The Pact doesn't care at all about the empire and would most likely just dismantle it for good.
Ayleids enslaved , the AD stands for equality. A bit of a difference.
AD wants everyone who isnt an elf or khajiit to be a 2nd class citizen at best
You are talking about who you fought against in the AD story line. Seriously, dont have such a selective memory.
Just take a look at AD's "Your Queen Commands" it states that it would rather place an altmer infant than let another race sit on the ruby throne and under the same breath talk about inexperience and youth. If that doesnt scream 2nd class citizenry, nothing will.
Well, its that, or Emericks " fill the streets with their blood " , or the EP which will likely kill everyone or enslave everyone as nords and dunmer do. And yes, altmer are, even if pompous, far wiser than most races of men in this game, so I agree with her. The races of man in TES are short sighted, not looking at the long run. Elves look at the long run. There are exceptions to the rule, but generally it is what it is. But with your argument, its either 2nd class citizen, genocide, or slavery. so....OrdoHermetica wrote: »The empire is legitimately dead. The legions are either under Daedric control or are so diminished that they're literally six people squatting in a ruined building in Imperial City. Non-Daedric loyalists don't really exist as independent entities anymore - they've been absorbed by other factions (primarily the DC).
Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
The orcs are now part of the DC.
Of the three alliances, the only one that could lead to a restored Cyrodiilic empire is the DC:
- The Dominion would just absorb the conquered provinces into itself, to rule them all from Summerset... at most it could become something similar to the Ayleid empire; most definitely not something an imperial Cyrod would want.
- The Pact doesn't care at all about the empire and would most likely just dismantle it for good.
Ayleids enslaved , the AD stands for equality. A bit of a difference.
AD wants everyone who isnt an elf or khajiit to be a 2nd class citizen at best
You are talking about who you fought against in the AD story line. Seriously, dont have such a selective memory.
Just take a look at AD's "Your Queen Commands" it states that it would rather place an altmer infant than let another race sit on the ruby throne and under the same breath talk about inexperience and youth. If that doesnt scream 2nd class citizenry, nothing will.
Well, its that, or Emericks " fill the streets with their blood " , or the EP which will likely kill everyone or enslave everyone as nords and dunmer do. And yes, altmer are, even if pompous, far wiser than most races of men in this game, so I agree with her. The races of man in TES are short sighted, not looking at the long run. Elves look at the long run. There are exceptions to the rule, but generally it is what it is. But with your argument, its either 2nd class citizen, genocide, or slavery. so....OrdoHermetica wrote: »The empire is legitimately dead. The legions are either under Daedric control or are so diminished that they're literally six people squatting in a ruined building in Imperial City. Non-Daedric loyalists don't really exist as independent entities anymore - they've been absorbed by other factions (primarily the DC).
Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
The orcs are now part of the DC.
Of the three alliances, the only one that could lead to a restored Cyrodiilic empire is the DC:
- The Dominion would just absorb the conquered provinces into itself, to rule them all from Summerset... at most it could become something similar to the Ayleid empire; most definitely not something an imperial Cyrod would want.
- The Pact doesn't care at all about the empire and would most likely just dismantle it for good.
Ayleids enslaved , the AD stands for equality. A bit of a difference.
AD wants everyone who isnt an elf or khajiit to be a 2nd class citizen at best
You are talking about who you fought against in the AD story line. Seriously, dont have such a selective memory.
Just take a look at AD's "Your Queen Commands" it states that it would rather place an altmer infant than let another race sit on the ruby throne and under the same breath talk about inexperience and youth. If that doesnt scream 2nd class citizenry, nothing will.
Well, its that, or Emericks " fill the streets with their blood " , or the EP which will likely kill everyone or enslave everyone as nords and dunmer do. And yes, altmer are, even if pompous, far wiser than most races of men in this game, so I agree with her. The races of man in TES are short sighted, not looking at the long run. Elves look at the long run. There are exceptions to the rule, but generally it is what it is. But with your argument, its either 2nd class citizen, genocide, or slavery. so....
Not genocide, DC are not Reachmen for mara's sake. Just those who directly side with the Daedra and whoever who would enslave them/make them 2nd class citizens.0 -
Kuramas9tails✭✭✭✭✭
✭No Empire is dead.I would have said yes but there is no practical way to include this in PVP.Your friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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AD Khajiit Mageblade DPS -- Flawless Conquerer
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✭✭✭✭Every Incarnation of the Aldmeri Dominion have been the biggest threats to Tamriel during their time (in this case even more then Molag Bal and his planemeld)
The Thalmor have ALWAYS been part of the ruling body of all the different Aldmeri Dominion in its various forms down through the eras. What you see at that college in Auridon is how the Thalmor really feel about the other races. Ayrenn tries to hide this, but in reality she feels the same way...she is just more politically correct and tact about it because she needs the manpower of the Bosmer and Khajiit to do her dirty work. The Bosmer and Khajiit will never be equals with the Altmer. the Veiled Heritance is nothing more than the more vocal sect of the Thalmor. The Thalmor make up the majority of Ayrenn's inner council.
Your right, Elves do look at the "Long Run" The Thalmor very much like to look at the long run, lets see what the Thalmor do in the not so distant future shall we?
Warning its a long read about future Thalmor events in the early 4th era.
Rising Threat
by Lathenil of Sunhold
A multi-volume series on the threat posed by the Thalmor
Volume 1
The following is the account of Lathenil of Sunhold, an Altmer refugee from Summerset Isle who came to Cyrodiil in the early years of the Fourth Era. According to Lathenil, he did not flee the aftermath of the Oblivion Crisis in Summerset - rather he fled "the darkening shadow of the Thalmor upon my beloved homeland."
Lathenil had a very intense presence, to put it politely, and some of his accusations of Thalmor involvement border on madness. This may be why his fervent warnings and outspoken criticisms of the Thalmor and the Aldmeri Dominion went unheeded, but history has at least partially vindicated Lathenil's claims.
Praxis Erratuim, Imperial Historian
I was barely more than a child when the Great Anguish fell upon us. The very air was torn asunder, leaving gaping, infected wounds that spewed daedra from the bowels of Oblivion. Many flocked to the shores, seeking escape from Dagon's murderous host - but the seas betrayed our people, raising up to smash our ships and our ports, leaving us to fates so vile and wicked that death would seem a mercy.
The Crystal Tower stood as our last bastion of hope, in both the literal and figurative sense.
Refugees filled the Crystal Tower until it could hold no more. I could taste the fear hanging in the air; feel the pall of despair suffocating us. We could see the daedra moving through the trees in the distance, but they did not come. Days passed, and still the daedra would not approach within arrow-shot of the battlements. Hope began to grow. "They fear us," some would say, "even a daedra knows not to trifle with the wisdom and magicks of the Crystal-Like-Law!"
It was as if the foul denizens of Oblivion had been waiting for this very spirit to stoke our hearts before they acted.
As we slept, innumerable legions of daedra amassed around us... and they were not alone. Hundreds of Altmer prisoners were gathered with them. As dawn broke, we were awoken by their screams as the daedra began to flail them and flay them. We watched in abject horror as our kinfolk were defiled completely... carved up and eaten alive, impaled on their depraved war machines, and worried apart as meals for their profane beasts.
This bloodletting was only a prelude to whet their appetites.
Once the daedra finished with our kinfolk, they turned their eyes to the Crystal Tower. Our great and noble bastion proved as much of an impediment as a mighty oak to a landslide - standing tall for but a few moments, appearing almost able to ride the tide of destruction around it, but ultimately being swept away.
Our exalted wizards decimated the fiends, roasting them by the dozens. Archers were finding the narrowest of *** in their daedric armor at over a hundred paces, felling their captains and commanders. The might and skillfulness of our heroic defenders was astonishing to behold, but it was not enough. The daedra clambered over the corpses of their cohort. They marched headlong into death and destruction that would make the mightiest armies in all of Tamriel quake with fear.
When they breached the walls, I fled along with the other cowards. I take no pride in that act. It has haunted my existence ever since, and I burn with shame to admit it, but it is truth. We fled in mindless panic - abandoning those stalwart Altmer who held the line against the onslaught, to preserve and defend our illustrious Crystal Tower.
We raced through cleverly concealed passageways and emerged well away from the chaos that had descended upon the tower. That is when it happened. It started like a gust rustling through the leaves of a dense forest, but the sound did not taper off. It rose into a roar as the very ground on which I stood began to shudder. I turned to look, and the world held its breath...
I stood transfixed as the heart of my homeland was torn as if from my own breast. The unthinkable, the incomprehensible... the tower of Crystal-Like-Law cast to the ground, with all the dignity of a beggar meeting an iron-clad fist. An eternity I watched, trying to reconcile what I knew with what I saw.
Sobs racked my chest, and weeping filled the air around me as the spell loosened its hold and I realized where I was. There were scores of other refugees mesmerized by the horror that had likewise ensorcelled me. "Go," I croaked out as my heart - the heart of my land - shattered. No one moved, not even me.
I mustered what will I could and bellowed all the fear and hatred and agony at what had just happened, turning the word into a mindless shriek: "GO!" I ran then, feeling more than seeing that the others had followed.
Volume 2
What happened after the tower of Crystal-like-law fell was a daze. It was as if my mind simply... stopped. Instinct took over, as my every thought sank into a black abyss of despair. Time lost all meaning, and to this day I know not how long I was in this state. Eventually a conscious thought managed to break my fugue: the daedric horde had vanished! Gone as suddenly as they had come.
Before my numbed mind could comprehend the tumult that consumed my beloved Summerset Isle, before I could formulate the question "how?" they were there, dripping honeyed poison in our ears: the Thalmor. They were the ones that saved us, they claimed, working deep and subtle magicks. It was their efforts, their sacrifices that delivered the Altmer from extinction.
Oh, what fools we were. We wanted so desperately someone to thank for ending our tribulations, we lavished it upon the first to step up and claim the glory. With that simple act of gratitude, we allowed a vile rot to seep into our homeland, to putrefy our once noble and distinguished civilization.
It was months before I began to suspect the error we had made. Small twinges of unease would vex me, but each one alone was easy enough to disregard and push aside. The exile of the great seer-mage Rynandor the Bold was the final doubt that I could not ignore. You see, Rynandor was one of the very few who survived the collapse of the Crystal Tower - I saw some of his bravery and heroics with my own eyes. It was his leadership and sorcery that made the daedra pay such a high price for their destruction of the Crystal Tower.
The Thalmor besmirched his name when he had the audacity to publicly doubt and question their role in ending the Oblivion Crisis on Summerset Isle. Rynandor made the mistake of ignoring the consensus gentium, trusting instead to logic and facts. The shrewdness of the Thalmor, however, was not such to allow something as trivial as the truth stand in their way. As soon as they shifted the collective opinion ever so slightly against Rynandor, they had him sequestered and intensified their efforts to tarnish his reputation. Unable to mount any sort of defense to the Thalmor's attacks, Rynandor was quickly denounced and exiled.
Volume 3
Ever so cautiously, I formed a cabal made up of others who distrusted the motives and methods of the Thalmor. Over several months, I liquidated my ancestral holdings and took whatever inheritance I could without raising any suspicions. I would follow after Rynandor and help him restore his reputation and status. We would then return to best the Thalmor at their own game and win back the mores and morals of the Altmer! The rest of my cabal would stay on Summerset Isle and win the trust of the Thalmor on whatever level best suited each of them, sending clandestine missives to me when possible.
After weeks of painstaking investigations and exorbitant bribes, I was able to learn that Rynandor was placed on a ship to Anvil. I booked my own passage to Anvil. My search almost ended there, for Rynandor had never arrived in Anvil Harbor. My instinct that Rynandor met a duplicitous end was confirmed when I sought out several of the deckhands who were reported to be aboard Rynandor's vessel. All died under mysterious and violent circumstances.
The first of many attempts on my life occurred soon after. Needless to say, I survived, but my grand plan to stymie the Thalmor fell apart without an esteemed leader to rally behind. I went into hiding, waiting anxiously for word of the Thalmor's activities back on Summerset Isle.
Over the following years, I tried to bend the ear of the Empire through various avenues and warn them of the Thalmor's doings. The Empire, however, was having enough troubles dealing with the aftermath of the Oblivion crisis within its own borders without seeking trouble in far away Summerset. With the assassination of Emperor Uriel Septim VII and his heirs, and the self-sacrifice of Martin Septim (the true savior of Summerset Isle and the rest of Tamriel!) the Empire's leadership was left defunct.
High Chancellor Ocato convened the full Elder Council in an unsuccessful bid to select a new Emperor. Without an Emperor, the Empire beyond the reach of Cyrodiil began to splinter. Ocato reluctantly agreed to become the Potentate under the terms of the Elder Council Charter until Imperial rule could be reestablished, but a reluctant leader is rarely a strong leader.
Potentate Ocato made admirable efforts to rein in the bedlam that threatened to rip the Empire apart, and was even making headway when Red Mountain erupted and destroyed much of Vvardenfell (likely from Thalmor tampering, but I have yet to find proof of their misdeeds in this). What was left of Morrowind was thrown into absolute chaos. The effects of the eruption were felt even in Black Marsh, destroying roads and cutting off the Imperial garrisons there.
None were prepared for what happened next.
Volume 4
While Morrowind and the Imperial forces in Black Marsh were still reeling from the consecutive catastrophes of the Oblivion Crisis and the destruction of Vvardenfell, the Thalmor incited the Argonians to mount a massive uprising. Black Marsh and southern Morrowind were completely lost to the Argonians, but luckily the Thalmor too lost what influence they had over the reptilians.
All the while, the Thalmor consolidated their hold over my beloved homeland.
It took almost a decade before my own machinations put me into contact with Ocato. He seemed more interested than most in what I had to say about the Thalmor, maybe because he was himself an Altmer and recognized the threat they represented. It wasn't long before the Thalmor had Ocato assassinated.
Potentate Ocato's murder began the Stormcrown Interregnum. The Elder Council fractured, leading into years of ruthless in-fighting, plots and backstabbing. Many tried to claim the Ruby Throne. Most were pretenders to the crown, a few had legitimate claims, others still were little more than brutal dullards who thought mere strength of arms was all the entitlement they needed. Violent, unnatural storms lashed the Imperial City several times during this anarchy, always with the eye of the storm looking directly down upon White-Gold Tower, as if this was the judgment of the Nine Divines.
With the Empire submerged in this mayhem, the Thalmor were quick to act. They overthrew the rightful Kings and Queens of the Altmer. I remember the revulsion and horror that took hold when word reached me - that this dementia had gripped my homeland. Once so proud and majestic, many of our great race actually embraced this insanity!
Then the first of many pogroms descended on Summerset Isle. They slaughtered any who were not "of the blood of the Aldmer". A fine excuse to purge the dissidents, as well - the Thalmor have never been ones to waste such an opportunity.
After seven long, bloody years the Stormcrown Interregnum was ended when a Colovian warlord by the name of Titus Mede seized the crown. Whether he had rightful claim or not is moot. Without Titus Mede, there would not be an Empire today. He proved a shrewd and capable leader, such that Skyrim endorsed him as Emperor.
With the Empire stabilizing under the auspicious efforts Emperor Titus Mede, I resumed my efforts to warn them of the Thalmor threat. Again, the Thalmor remained a step ahead. Before my efforts could come to fruition, the Thalmor struck: another coup, this time in Valenwood. The Empire was not prepared for the Thalmor's subterfuge and stratagem.
There are those who claim the combined Altmer and Bosmer forces greatly out-matched the Empire, but this is a farce. This short, savage campaign was won by the Thalmor even before first blood was drawn. They waited and watched their enemy, they chose where and when they would attack. The Thalmor were able to bring the full fury of their small contingent of Altmer and Bosmer to any of several Imperial strongholds.
Contrary to the posturing of the Empire's generals, the Thalmor did not command greater numbers. They had better spies and greater mobility, and knew how best to use them. This is the menace that the Thalmor represent! They are cruel and merciless, but they are no fools! They are devious and subtle, and so very patient.
In one fell stroke, the Thalmor took a strategic foothold on the mainland of Tamriel and prevented any significant attempt the Empire could have made to invade Summerset Isle and depose the tyranny of the Thalmor. At the same time, they took a better vantage to continue to watch the Empire and wait. In so doing, they also revived the Aldmeri Dominion with their alliance to the Bosmer of Valenwood!
Over the decades, the Thalmor have grown quiet - but this is not the end. It has only just begun. They merely consolidate their power and tighten their grip on the hearts and minds of the Altmer. The Empire may wish to forget the wounds its pride has suffered at the hands of the Thalmor, but they are still out there. Plotting. Watching. Waiting.
While the Empire is content to secure inconsequential corners of its vast holdings, the threat of the Thalmor continues to rise. Not since Potentate Ocato has anyone in the Empire listened to me. I beseech any and all citizens of this renowned Empire to heed my words! The Thalmor must be stopped, before it is too late.
Soon after Lathenil of Sunhold commissioned to have these volumes printed and distributed far and wide in the Empire with his own coin, he himself met a violent end. In light of the events that followed his death, we must consider that he may very well have been murdered by Thalmor assassins.
-- Praxis Erratuim, Imperial Historian
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rising_Threat
Every Aldmeri Dominion that has existed has been influenced by the Thalmor. the Thalmor in their history have never been anything but radical and take High eleven superiority to the extreme. The Veiled Heritance was just more vocal about these feelings while the Thalmor were trying to keep it quiet and out of the view of the public(like seen at that College in Auridon) until they had used the Khajiit and Bosmer to get what they had wanted...Ayrenn is one cold customer thats for sure...She has no remorse or conscious whatsoever,and once she becomes Emperor she will certinaly enslave the Khajiit Bosmer first putting them in chains as slaves before moving on to the other races of Tamriel.
Not to mention the Thalmor are plotting Ayrenn's Assassination because while she believes what the Thalmor do she isn't quite radical enough for their tastes....
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Lantian_Doco✭✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.Would love to see it. A Loyalist Faction. It doesnt neccesarily need to be based in Cyrodil and from a timeline point of view it even doesnt have to be in mannimarcos pockets anymore. The planemeld is stopped after the main story. And we have a fraction of the Empire left under a strict rule of the tharns based in the Kindgom of Rimmen under Clivias sister as i recall. The Happenings in the Imperial Town and everywhere else could lead her to rethink the ways Abnur and Mannimarco have enforced. Just lorewise.
The pvp problem would be another problem entirely yes.1 -
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✭✭✭✭No Empire is dead.There is no Empire, Varen Aquilarios killed it. What ever exists of the remnants are scattered through out Cyrodiil and nearby provinces. If any legions still remain outside the control of the Tharns they have likely retreated to safer areas in Cyrodiil yet to be seen.
It would seem if anyone thought there might be a chance to salvage the Empire, theyd have deployed their legions and attempted to secure the Imperial City themselves. But they havent.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
ArcVelarian✭✭✭✭✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.OrdoHermetica wrote: »...Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
The 3rd Empire had Breton Emperors, not the 2nd.
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✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.hmsdragonfly wrote: »OrdoHermetica wrote: »The empire is legitimately dead. The legions are either under Daedric control or are so diminished that they're literally six people squatting in a ruined building in Imperial City. Non-Daedric loyalists don't really exist as independent entities anymore - they've been absorbed by other factions (primarily the DC).
Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
The orcs are now part of the DC.
Of the three alliances, the only one that could lead to a restored Cyrodiilic empire is the DC:
- The Dominion would just absorb the conquered provinces into itself, to rule them all from Summerset... at most it could become something similar to the Ayleid empire; most definitely not something an imperial Cyrod would want.
- The Pact doesn't care at all about the empire and would most likely just dismantle it for good.
Ayleids enslaved , the AD stands for equality. A bit of a difference.
AD wants everyone who isnt an elf or khajiit to be a 2nd class citizen at best
13th*
Bosmer are 2nd grade already, and Khajiit at best 12th in the eyes of dominion
Name checks out.
And no, a lot of Altmers still consider other races to be 2nd class citizens but it's according to those Altmers alone. According to Queen Aryenn and the leaders of the Dominion, everyone is equal. Dominion's policies reflect that.
Everyone is equal, that is why queen send her troops to eat children of other nations. Everyone is equal, that is for sure - equally regarded as sub life form compared to how they see them. Pitiful.
Pretty sure we talked about this already. The Alchemist is a rogue general. He went rogue when his assigned mission was simply to scout and research about the Pact.
The action of a rogue general does not represent the policy of a nation, otherwise why do Argonians take refuge in Grahtwood if Queen Aryenn actually wants to eradicate their race? Keep in mind that Dominion is where a lot of Orcs and Argonians take refuge because they are mistreated by other races in their alliance.
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hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.hmsdragonfly wrote: »OrdoHermetica wrote: »The empire is legitimately dead. The legions are either under Daedric control or are so diminished that they're literally six people squatting in a ruined building in Imperial City. Non-Daedric loyalists don't really exist as independent entities anymore - they've been absorbed by other factions (primarily the DC).
Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
The orcs are now part of the DC.
Of the three alliances, the only one that could lead to a restored Cyrodiilic empire is the DC:
- The Dominion would just absorb the conquered provinces into itself, to rule them all from Summerset... at most it could become something similar to the Ayleid empire; most definitely not something an imperial Cyrod would want.
- The Pact doesn't care at all about the empire and would most likely just dismantle it for good.
Ayleids enslaved , the AD stands for equality. A bit of a difference.
AD wants everyone who isnt an elf or khajiit to be a 2nd class citizen at best
13th*
Bosmer are 2nd grade already, and Khajiit at best 12th in the eyes of dominion
Name checks out.
And no, a lot of Altmers still consider other races to be 2nd class citizens but it's according to those Altmers alone. According to Queen Aryenn and the leaders of the Dominion, everyone is equal. Dominion's policies reflect that.
If everyone's equal, why would an altmer infant be a better ruler than a human ruler with experience? Clearly Ayrenn favors the altmer infant and therefore 2nd class citizenship
If you think about it, an altmer infant would be a better ruler than Emeric, so she has a point.
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Maura_Neysa✭✭✭✭✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.Yes, but make them have a serious disadvantage. No ability to capture Scrolls is a start. Cap them at 1 bar less than the least populated Alliance would be another. Make it an Alliance for Die Hards. Anyway, love the thought, dont expect it to happen.Maiden Maura - Xbox NA
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✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.hmsdragonfly wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »OrdoHermetica wrote: »The empire is legitimately dead. The legions are either under Daedric control or are so diminished that they're literally six people squatting in a ruined building in Imperial City. Non-Daedric loyalists don't really exist as independent entities anymore - they've been absorbed by other factions (primarily the DC).
Plus, the DC is already pretty much that option. Their whole stated goal is to restore the Empire, and the Empire has had quite a few Breton Emperors throughout its history, so... it really is a return to the status quo.
Except the DC has been known to attack the orcs, and the orcs are a valued part of the Empire, so....thats not an option.
The orcs are now part of the DC.
Of the three alliances, the only one that could lead to a restored Cyrodiilic empire is the DC:
- The Dominion would just absorb the conquered provinces into itself, to rule them all from Summerset... at most it could become something similar to the Ayleid empire; most definitely not something an imperial Cyrod would want.
- The Pact doesn't care at all about the empire and would most likely just dismantle it for good.
Ayleids enslaved , the AD stands for equality. A bit of a difference.
AD wants everyone who isnt an elf or khajiit to be a 2nd class citizen at best
13th*
Bosmer are 2nd grade already, and Khajiit at best 12th in the eyes of dominion
Name checks out.
And no, a lot of Altmers still consider other races to be 2nd class citizens but it's according to those Altmers alone. According to Queen Aryenn and the leaders of the Dominion, everyone is equal. Dominion's policies reflect that.
If everyone's equal, why would an altmer infant be a better ruler than a human ruler with experience? Clearly Ayrenn favors the altmer infant and therefore 2nd class citizenship
If you think about it, an altmer infant would be a better ruler than Emeric, so she has a point.
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✭✭Yes I want to play a Empire Loyalist and join the Imperial legion. The Empire can rise again.This would require a full reworking of Cyrodiil/IC and the AvA mechanics."The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
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