I used to be against class changes , but I think its time to offer this.

dodgehopper_ESO

Jade1986 wrote: »

Moonscythe wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Class change tokens would. Make them 10000 crowns I don't really care. Price them high so that people will still be encouraged to buy character slots and other things for the cheaper price but just put them in.

No! Not expensive or at least more expensive than new slots or major changes. What is with the mean-spirited feelings of established players? I am sick to death of making new characters just because I have to if I want to play a different class, such as warden, or get the freebies like house storage for all my characters. I have old characters I wouldn't mind retiring permanently but they know everything I have learned since launch and I can't transfer that knowledge. I know a motif I have never found in the wild and can't buy from the store as a single, which I did the first time. It may be available from a trader but I hate searching all of Tamriel for one elusive item. I like that motif.

Ive noticed this too.

<< Beta player btw, and I dont see anything wrong with QoL improvements. I never understood the whole " I suffered through it, so you have to suffer through it " mentality, why not improve something instead of keeping it the same when it clearly is a masisve burden.

I think the frustration is often that in these games they will have made some tasks even harder for the veteran player despite making it easier. Let me give you an example. In STO you once got the most reward from the first time you did a mission. The replay rewards were not as good. When they made the game easier players who had developed characters with greater effort actually had a much harder time to develop a character than the new guys. Its not always as simple as not liking improvements.

On the matter of Race/Class though I understand the feeling on this and I've been with this game since beta. I personally feel like race changes should not cost a dime. I'd rather it were something a player earned within the game if they must but I do not like the notion that the developers can profit from bad or unbalanced design. The same holds true for class although if I had my way this game would not have classes as all as we know them. Class would just be a start (like all previous TES games) and you'd work your way outward from that.

teiselaise

I just wan't accountwide achievements : )))

Luckylancer

They added slots with warden. That was a smart move. Sloths are affordable thx to crown discounts. In game gold allow respec. You can change race too.

There is no issue here.

Jade1986

Luckylancer wrote: »

They added slots with warden. That was a smart move. Sloths are affordable thx to crown discounts. In game gold allow respec. You can change race too.

There is no issue here.

Except if you want to switch mains you hve to do the 4 years worth of work you put into your main -again-, that is completely unreasonable to expect. It is extremely alt unfriendly.

NewBlacksmurf

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

I'm all for class change. Let me explain why.

If I buy a car and then feel like it's not the car for me there's a thing called "buyer's remorse". It's not that the car changed at all just my desire for it.

However, if I buy a car and love it but the dealer came to my house and removed things they wanted to for what ever reason no matter how minor it may be, without my consent (excluding factory recalls) then i should be allowed to choose another car since it's no longer what i originally payed for.

With all the change features we have already I don't see why class change is not permitted.

The thing that is wrong about it is getting charged for replacement cost of the things the auto dealer took from your car. This is true of races and classes alike. If the balance is really bad I believe the developers should pay the cost for that, not the players.

I felt this needed highlighting because I honestly believe a lot of the players desire to want a class change is as a result of developer after the fact changes every 90-180 days. I chose a Templar cause I wanted to be a healer with some ranged magic dps.

In 2 years I’ve become so ineffective on class skills that i have to use rejuvenate staff and class skills which end up taking 2 bars so my ranged dps that use to occur really can’t in Veteran content. I don’t PvP so while I understand the changes the other side of this is if that’s going to be the driving focus, then remove the entire class ide and concept with this 4 year hope for spell crafting.

Apache_Kid

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

I'm all for class change. Let me explain why.

If I buy a car and then feel like it's not the car for me there's a thing called "buyer's remorse". It's not that the car changed at all just my desire for it.

However, if I buy a car and love it but the dealer came to my house and removed things they wanted to for what ever reason no matter how minor it may be, without my consent (excluding factory recalls) then i should be allowed to choose another car since it's no longer what i originally payed for.

With all the change features we have already I don't see why class change is not permitted.

The thing that is wrong about it is getting charged for replacement cost of the things the auto dealer took from your car. This is true of races and classes alike. If the balance is really bad I believe the developers should pay the cost for that, not the players.

I felt this needed highlighting because I honestly believe a lot of the players desire to want a class change is as a result of developer after the fact changes every 90-180 days

A good point here. Devs feel the need to change the meta every 3 months. I've never played an MMO where I have to re-gear characters as frequently as I do with this game.

Odnoc

Sure, and reset all of the achievements. If you’ve never cleared vet dungeons as a sorc you shouldn’t have achievements for it.

Jade1986

Odnoc wrote: »

Sure, and reset all of the achievements. If you’ve never cleared vet dungeons as a sorc you shouldn’t have achievements for it.

Achievements are things you have done. No alt friendly game does character specific achievements, its not reasonable.

Taleof2Cities

Jade1986 wrote: »

You can, but you cant change class, and if you are playing a class that has been nerfed to uselessness, or want to play the warden ( i have three so im not talking about me ) then you either have to delete one of your toons where you spent a lot of time on , or spend money on a new slot.

The problem with this argument is that your first eight (8) character slots are free.

Was that part forgotten or conveniently left out?

Jade1986

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

You can, but you cant change class, and if you are playing a class that has been nerfed to uselessness, or want to play the warden ( i have three so im not talking about me ) then you either have to delete one of your toons where you spent a lot of time on , or spend money on a new slot.

The problem with this argument is that your first eight (8) character slots are free.

Was that part forgotten or conveniently left out?

If you would have bothered to read the thread you would see that was already addressed.

rafaelcsmaia

What bugs me the most is why people get triggered over this request. It's like oh I don't want/need X feature, so everyone else should think the same or they're just plain wrong.

Its okay if you don't want to change your class, you will still be able to create a horde of toons or stick with your main.

Again, this request comes from the RP of MMORPG, people identify to their characters, all those arguments of us being lazy or asking for unnecessary things are invalid.

Taleof2Cities

Jade1986 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

You can, but you cant change class, and if you are playing a class that has been nerfed to uselessness, or want to play the warden ( i have three so im not talking about me ) then you either have to delete one of your toons where you spent a lot of time on , or spend money on a new slot.

The problem with this argument is that your first eight (8) character slots are free.

Was that part forgotten or conveniently left out?

If you would have bothered to read the thread you would see that was already addressed.

Was it addressed though?

Morrowind has been out for almost a year ... and a 15th character spot was just given last patch. If you’re saying you don’t have room for a Warden in all those slots I’m not sure what to tell you.

ShadowMonarch

Just make skyshards account wide.

Jade1986

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

You can, but you cant change class, and if you are playing a class that has been nerfed to uselessness, or want to play the warden ( i have three so im not talking about me ) then you either have to delete one of your toons where you spent a lot of time on , or spend money on a new slot.

The problem with this argument is that your first eight (8) character slots are free.

Was that part forgotten or conveniently left out?

If you would have bothered to read the thread you would see that was already addressed.

Was it addressed though?

Morrowind has been out for almost a year ... and a 15th character spot was just given last patch. If you’re saying you don’t have room for a Warden in all those slots I’m not sure what to tell you.

It was addressed. A few times.

Merlin13KAGL

Jade1986 wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Sure, and reset all of the achievements. If you’ve never cleared vet dungeons as a sorc you shouldn’t have achievements for it.

Achievements are things you have done. No alt friendly game does character specific achievements, its not reasonable.

You want an account wide achievement summary then.

Just because you've tanked something on your stamDK doesn't mean you know how to dps is on your magplar. The only one here with any reasonable justification is @Apache_Kid , simply because of the time required to become a Grand Overlord.

The rest is an achievement point hunt, and if you're really that dedicated to your main, you'll continue regardless, and you'll find a way to make it work.

There is no content in this game that cannot be completed by any class of any race. It may be harder from patch to patch, but your implication of being 'nerfed to near uselessness' is far from accurate. If you really can't figure it out, I'd say it's a player skill issue, not a class one.

But I'll indulge you. Please name a single piece of content you can no longer complete because of a patch change?

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

What bugs me the most is why people get triggered over this request. It's like oh I don't want/need X feature, so everyone else should think the same or they're just plain wrong.

Its okay if you don't want to change your class, you will still be able to create a horde of toons or stick with your main.

Again, this request comes from the RP of MMORPG, people identify to their characters, all those arguments of us being lazy or asking for unnecessary things are invalid.

There's two problems with this:

1. It pisses people off because of those that have put in the time to have multiple characters of multiple classes. The opportunity is there, simply don't be lazy and take it.
2. Your RP argument counters itself, because if you truly 'identified' with your character in an RP fashion, you wouldn't be ready to simply wipe its history in order to become a different class. The background story for "Poof, now I'm a DK/NB/Templar/Sorc/Warden" would get really old, really quick.

You have 15 chances to shape the world. Eight of them are provided with the base game. At no point are you 'obligated' to delete any character you don't wish to in order to try another. I would say the fact that you're allowed 15 slots is more than reasonable and alt friendly.

If you opted to make eight of the same class, that's your own poor planning and choices. Don't put it back on the Devs because you don't like the idea of making a choice or paying a few crowns.

Jade1986

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Sure, and reset all of the achievements. If you’ve never cleared vet dungeons as a sorc you shouldn’t have achievements for it.

Achievements are things you have done. No alt friendly game does character specific achievements, its not reasonable.

You want an account wide achievement summary then.

Just because you've tanked something on your stamDK doesn't mean you know how to dps is on your magplar. The only one here with any reasonable justification is @Apache_Kid , simply because of the time required to become a Grand Overlord.

The rest is an achievement point hunt, and if you're really that dedicated to your main, you'll continue regardless, and you'll find a way to make it work.

There is no content in this game that cannot be completed by any class of any race. It may be harder from patch to patch, but your implication of being 'nerfed to near uselessness' is far from accurate. If you really can't figure it out, I'd say it's a player skill issue, not a class one.

But I'll indulge you. Please name a single piece of content you can no longer complete because of a patch change?

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

What bugs me the most is why people get triggered over this request. It's like oh I don't want/need X feature, so everyone else should think the same or they're just plain wrong.

Its okay if you don't want to change your class, you will still be able to create a horde of toons or stick with your main.

Again, this request comes from the RP of MMORPG, people identify to their characters, all those arguments of us being lazy or asking for unnecessary things are invalid.

There's two problems with this:

1. It pisses people off because of those that have put in the time to have multiple characters of multiple classes. The opportunity is there, simply don't be lazy and take it.
2. Your RP argument counters itself, because if you truly 'identified' with your character in an RP fashion, you wouldn't be ready to simply wipe its history in order to become a different class. The background story for "Poof, now I'm a DK/NB/Templar/Sorc/Warden" would get really old, really quick.

You have 15 chances to shape the world. Eight of them are provided with the base game. At no point are you 'obligated' to delete any character you don't wish to in order to try another. I would say the fact that you're allowed 15 slots is more than reasonable and alt friendly.

If you opted to make eight of the same class, that's your own poor planning and choices. Don't put it back on the Devs because you don't like the idea of making a choice or paying a few crowns.

You have EIGHT chances, EIGHT, you have 15 if you blow 10 k crowns .

And I applaud you for never making a mistake in your life, or changing your mind -ever-.

Doesnt really matter, either this is gonna happen, or they are gonna sell lvl 50 toons, its just a matter of time, all mmos do it. So you might as well calm down before hand. Its clear tho that its your way or no way, no middle ground, never. Otherwise everyone sucks, needs to l2p, bla blah blah.

Merlin13KAGL

Jade1986 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Sure, and reset all of the achievements. If you’ve never cleared vet dungeons as a sorc you shouldn’t have achievements for it.

Achievements are things you have done. No alt friendly game does character specific achievements, its not reasonable.

You want an account wide achievement summary then.

Just because you've tanked something on your stamDK doesn't mean you know how to dps is on your magplar. The only one here with any reasonable justification is @Apache_Kid , simply because of the time required to become a Grand Overlord.

The rest is an achievement point hunt, and if you're really that dedicated to your main, you'll continue regardless, and you'll find a way to make it work.

There is no content in this game that cannot be completed by any class of any race. It may be harder from patch to patch, but your implication of being 'nerfed to near uselessness' is far from accurate. If you really can't figure it out, I'd say it's a player skill issue, not a class one.

But I'll indulge you. Please name a single piece of content you can no longer complete because of a patch change?

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

What bugs me the most is why people get triggered over this request. It's like oh I don't want/need X feature, so everyone else should think the same or they're just plain wrong.

Its okay if you don't want to change your class, you will still be able to create a horde of toons or stick with your main.

Again, this request comes from the RP of MMORPG, people identify to their characters, all those arguments of us being lazy or asking for unnecessary things are invalid.

There's two problems with this:

1. It pisses people off because of those that have put in the time to have multiple characters of multiple classes. The opportunity is there, simply don't be lazy and take it.
2. Your RP argument counters itself, because if you truly 'identified' with your character in an RP fashion, you wouldn't be ready to simply wipe its history in order to become a different class. The background story for "Poof, now I'm a DK/NB/Templar/Sorc/Warden" would get really old, really quick.

You have 15 chances to shape the world. Eight of them are provided with the base game. At no point are you 'obligated' to delete any character you don't wish to in order to try another. I would say the fact that you're allowed 15 slots is more than reasonable and alt friendly.

If you opted to make eight of the same class, that's your own poor planning and choices. Don't put it back on the Devs because you don't like the idea of making a choice or paying a few crowns.

You have EIGHT chances, EIGHT, you have 15 if you blow 10 k crowns .

And I applaud you for never making a mistake in your life, or changing your mind -ever-.

Doesnt really matter, either this is gonna happen, or they are gonna sell lvl 50 toons, its just a matter of time, all mmos do it. So you might as well calm down before hand. Its clear tho that its your way or no way, no middle ground, never. Otherwise everyone sucks, needs to l2p, bla blah blah.

You have 15 chances to shape the world. Eight of them are provided with the base game.

L o l

You really think I've never nuked a character to make room for another? I have three that presently have a stay of execution as we speak, but the final decision has not yet been made.

If you are willing to pay crowns, there are up to 7 more chances. If you're willing to pay for a class change, clearly you're willing to buy crowns.

If neither of those apply, you have a choice to make.

In either case, again, there has been no class change in any patch so drastic as to prevent completion of any content.

They practically hand you 50 as it is now, even more so with 2x Xp events like the one getting ready to start.

CP's gain quickly, the other aspects are slower, but still manageable if you're willing to put in a little effort.

It's not L2P. It's certainly not "everyone sucks." It is take the very little time required and put in the effort.

The more I read this thread, the more I am inclined to think it has nothing to do with achievements and everything to do with just wanting the instant gratification.

If you want to start at cap, hop on the PTS. You can template your way to glory all day long.

It's not. That. Hard.

rafaelcsmaia

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

[*] Your RP argument counters itself, because if you truly 'identified' with your character in an RP fashion, you wouldn't be ready to simply wipe its history in order to become a different class. The background story for "Poof, now I'm a DK/NB/Templar/Sorc/Warden" would get really old, really quick.
[/list]

Dunno about you, but in my RP universe, which happens to be like the real life, people could change jobs. However i've never heard of human carpenter suddenly transforming into a chihuahua carpenter. The latter is in the game, the former not, so whats the giant deal with the class tokens, from a RP perspective?

Jade1986

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Sure, and reset all of the achievements. If you’ve never cleared vet dungeons as a sorc you shouldn’t have achievements for it.

Achievements are things you have done. No alt friendly game does character specific achievements, its not reasonable.

You want an account wide achievement summary then.

Just because you've tanked something on your stamDK doesn't mean you know how to dps is on your magplar. The only one here with any reasonable justification is @Apache_Kid , simply because of the time required to become a Grand Overlord.

The rest is an achievement point hunt, and if you're really that dedicated to your main, you'll continue regardless, and you'll find a way to make it work.

There is no content in this game that cannot be completed by any class of any race. It may be harder from patch to patch, but your implication of being 'nerfed to near uselessness' is far from accurate. If you really can't figure it out, I'd say it's a player skill issue, not a class one.

But I'll indulge you. Please name a single piece of content you can no longer complete because of a patch change?

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

What bugs me the most is why people get triggered over this request. It's like oh I don't want/need X feature, so everyone else should think the same or they're just plain wrong.

Its okay if you don't want to change your class, you will still be able to create a horde of toons or stick with your main.

Again, this request comes from the RP of MMORPG, people identify to their characters, all those arguments of us being lazy or asking for unnecessary things are invalid.

There's two problems with this:

1. It pisses people off because of those that have put in the time to have multiple characters of multiple classes. The opportunity is there, simply don't be lazy and take it.
2. Your RP argument counters itself, because if you truly 'identified' with your character in an RP fashion, you wouldn't be ready to simply wipe its history in order to become a different class. The background story for "Poof, now I'm a DK/NB/Templar/Sorc/Warden" would get really old, really quick.

You have 15 chances to shape the world. Eight of them are provided with the base game. At no point are you 'obligated' to delete any character you don't wish to in order to try another. I would say the fact that you're allowed 15 slots is more than reasonable and alt friendly.

If you opted to make eight of the same class, that's your own poor planning and choices. Don't put it back on the Devs because you don't like the idea of making a choice or paying a few crowns.

You have EIGHT chances, EIGHT, you have 15 if you blow 10 k crowns .

And I applaud you for never making a mistake in your life, or changing your mind -ever-.

Doesnt really matter, either this is gonna happen, or they are gonna sell lvl 50 toons, its just a matter of time, all mmos do it. So you might as well calm down before hand. Its clear tho that its your way or no way, no middle ground, never. Otherwise everyone sucks, needs to l2p, bla blah blah.

You have 15 chances to shape the world. Eight of them are provided with the base game.

L o l

You really think I've never nuked a character to make room for another? I have three that presently have a stay of execution as we speak, but the final decision has not yet been made.

If you are willing to pay crowns, there are up to 7 more chances. If you're willing to pay for a class change, clearly you're willing to buy crowns.

If neither of those apply, you have a choice to make.

In either case, again, there has been no class change in any patch so drastic as to prevent completion of any content.

They practically hand you 50 as it is now, even more so with 2x Xp events like the one getting ready to start.

CP's gain quickly, the other aspects are slower, but still manageable if you're willing to put in a little effort.

It's not L2P. It's certainly not "everyone sucks." It is take the very little time required and put in the effort.

The more I read this thread, the more I am inclined to think it has nothing to do with achievements and everything to do with just wanting the instant gratification.

If you want to start at cap, hop on the PTS. You can template your way to glory all day long.

It's not. That. Hard.

Really? Redoing the progress you made in 4 years is very little effort?

L.O.L.

See, I can do that too.

Jade1986

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

[*] Your RP argument counters itself, because if you truly 'identified' with your character in an RP fashion, you wouldn't be ready to simply wipe its history in order to become a different class. The background story for "Poof, now I'm a DK/NB/Templar/Sorc/Warden" would get really old, really quick.
[/list]

Dunno about you, but in my RP universe, which happens to be like the real life, people could change jobs. However i've never heard of human carpenter suddenly transforming into a chihuahua carpenter. The latter is in the game, the former not, so whats the giant deal with the class tokens, from a RP perspective?

Exactly.

Merlin13KAGL

Jade1986 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Sure, and reset all of the achievements. If you’ve never cleared vet dungeons as a sorc you shouldn’t have achievements for it.

Achievements are things you have done. No alt friendly game does character specific achievements, its not reasonable.

You want an account wide achievement summary then.

Just because you've tanked something on your stamDK doesn't mean you know how to dps is on your magplar. The only one here with any reasonable justification is @Apache_Kid , simply because of the time required to become a Grand Overlord.

The rest is an achievement point hunt, and if you're really that dedicated to your main, you'll continue regardless, and you'll find a way to make it work.

There is no content in this game that cannot be completed by any class of any race. It may be harder from patch to patch, but your implication of being 'nerfed to near uselessness' is far from accurate. If you really can't figure it out, I'd say it's a player skill issue, not a class one.

But I'll indulge you. Please name a single piece of content you can no longer complete because of a patch change?

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

What bugs me the most is why people get triggered over this request. It's like oh I don't want/need X feature, so everyone else should think the same or they're just plain wrong.

Its okay if you don't want to change your class, you will still be able to create a horde of toons or stick with your main.

Again, this request comes from the RP of MMORPG, people identify to their characters, all those arguments of us being lazy or asking for unnecessary things are invalid.

There's two problems with this:

1. It pisses people off because of those that have put in the time to have multiple characters of multiple classes. The opportunity is there, simply don't be lazy and take it.
2. Your RP argument counters itself, because if you truly 'identified' with your character in an RP fashion, you wouldn't be ready to simply wipe its history in order to become a different class. The background story for "Poof, now I'm a DK/NB/Templar/Sorc/Warden" would get really old, really quick.

You have 15 chances to shape the world. Eight of them are provided with the base game. At no point are you 'obligated' to delete any character you don't wish to in order to try another. I would say the fact that you're allowed 15 slots is more than reasonable and alt friendly.

If you opted to make eight of the same class, that's your own poor planning and choices. Don't put it back on the Devs because you don't like the idea of making a choice or paying a few crowns.

You have EIGHT chances, EIGHT, you have 15 if you blow 10 k crowns .

And I applaud you for never making a mistake in your life, or changing your mind -ever-.

Doesnt really matter, either this is gonna happen, or they are gonna sell lvl 50 toons, its just a matter of time, all mmos do it. So you might as well calm down before hand. Its clear tho that its your way or no way, no middle ground, never. Otherwise everyone sucks, needs to l2p, bla blah blah.

You have 15 chances to shape the world. Eight of them are provided with the base game.

L o l

You really think I've never nuked a character to make room for another? I have three that presently have a stay of execution as we speak, but the final decision has not yet been made.

If you are willing to pay crowns, there are up to 7 more chances. If you're willing to pay for a class change, clearly you're willing to buy crowns.

If neither of those apply, you have a choice to make.

In either case, again, there has been no class change in any patch so drastic as to prevent completion of any content.

They practically hand you 50 as it is now, even more so with 2x Xp events like the one getting ready to start.

CP's gain quickly, the other aspects are slower, but still manageable if you're willing to put in a little effort.

It's not L2P. It's certainly not "everyone sucks." It is take the very little time required and put in the effort.

The more I read this thread, the more I am inclined to think it has nothing to do with achievements and everything to do with just wanting the instant gratification.

If you want to start at cap, hop on the PTS. You can template your way to glory all day long.

It's not. That. Hard.

Really? Redoing the progress you made in 4 years is very little effort?

L.O.L.

See, I can do that too.

If you read the above, you'll know each time I chose to delete, I had to make a decision.

Each character has its progression, and that's fine. I'm personally not in a hurry for achievements. I get what I need and then do what I wish on a given character.

Four(?) of the ones I have were created almost one year ago. I leveled to max (during Jester's, in fact) and then they lingered for a while. When I had time, I focused on them to get them where I wanted them to be. I also finished off

Again, at no point was I unable to play the game, in any content, with any character that was ready.

If you want an account wide achievement summary, I'm all for that? It can even specify how many characters you've earned certain things on and what role you had when you do so.

But aside from the achievement points, simply for points' sake, it doesn't doesn't take remotely close to four years to have an end game functional character, so your exaggeration is exactly that.

You get to share gear. You get to share gold. You get to share AP, telvar, CP's, even CP gain once you hit 50. Starting from 'scratch' is not like it once was.

And, guess what? Much of that 4 years worth of progress carries over to your new character (which also gets to use CP's) as experience, making the process even easier.

If you want bad enough, you'll do it. If you don't, you won't.

Either way, it's a non-issue.

Jade1986 wrote: »

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

[*] Your RP argument counters itself, because if you truly 'identified' with your character in an RP fashion, you wouldn't be ready to simply wipe its history in order to become a different class. The background story for "Poof, now I'm a DK/NB/Templar/Sorc/Warden" would get really old, really quick.
[/list]

Dunno about you, but in my RP universe, which happens to be like the real life, people could change jobs. However i've never heard of human carpenter suddenly transforming into a chihuahua carpenter. The latter is in the game, the former not, so whats the giant deal with the class tokens, from a RP perspective?

Exactly.

Well, sorta.

IRL being a member of (insert race here) doesn't generally guarantee you're going to be better at a chosen profession, so that part doesn't really apply so much.

Also, yeah, you can change jobs, but I'm pretty sure you don't get to pay some company (insert $amount here) and go from being a Master Carpenter one day to a Master Electrician / Ballerina / Store Manager / Deep Sea Diver on a whim the next.

I'm guessing it takes time...and effort.

But, seriously, good luck with your cause.

Aurielle

Forgive me for the slight necro, but...

It's time.

I was hopeful that Summerset and the Class Representative program would bring some much needed changes to my stamina Templar (PVP) and my magicka Warden (PVE healer). My hopes were unfortunately (though perhaps not surprisingly) dashed. My Templar remains a potato, and my Warden remains shut out of healing veteran trials because it's not a Templar.

With no fixes on the horizon, I currently have two options available to deal with this issue:

1. Spend 7000 crowns for two name/race change tokens to essentially switch those two characters' roles (that is, turn my stamplar into a PVE healer and my magden into a PVP stamden), at the additional cost of losing all PVP progress on my main PVP character, having to grind up the relevant weapon skill lines and class skills that each character lacks, spending approx 15k gold per character to respec skill points and CP, and spending who knows how much gold to update their outfits.

2. Create a new Templar and a new Warden, and grind them both up from scratch. This would be much less expensive, but it would also take even longer to get them where they need to be (see: levelling Undaunted, mount training, etc.). I know a lot of you have 15+ characters, but I simply do not have the time or the patience to grind out content and skill lines that I've ground out several times in the past. The thought alone of grinding to Undaunted 9 again on TWO CHARACTERS makes me feel ill.

As it stands, both of those options are so unappealing that I'm simply just not playing those two characters. I want to play them, but their continued limitations make playing them unappealing. I tried to make my Stamplar work. I tried to make my Warden healer work. I tried. I shouldn't have to spend 7,000 crowns to change their races/names up ON TOP OF all the additional time spent grinding up missing skills and weapon lines, not to mention Alliance ranks, just to make those characters relevant again.

So please, ZOS: if you're not going to buff classes that desperately need buffing, at least give us the option of changing our classes. I'm getting really tired of waiting for balance changes that just don't seem to be coming any time soon.