Best Faction Leader in your eyes

Thevampirenight

Radinyn

Queen Ayrenn

2nd Emeric
about Jorunn, he's literally the worst person to have as leader.

Ectheliontnacil

None of them are. They are all bad leaders.

Big Boss the Dark Phoenix is the best faction leader of the glorious Aldmeri Dominion!!!

Dont_do_drugs

None of them are. They are all bad leaders.

jorunn is weak and cant get anything done himself, emeric is whiny and depressive....so basically ayrenn would be best choice... but then, well... she lacks of government abilities.

Thevampirenight

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Big Boss the Dark Phoenix is the best faction leader of the glorious Aldmeri Dominion!!!

Never heard of him

Olen_Mikko

Queen Ayrenn

Check the faction main quests. Who is the one kicking some butts and facing the action?

Yea, Ayrenn

Dont_do_drugs

None of them are. They are all bad leaders.

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Check the faction main quests. Who is the one kicking some butts and facing the action?

Yea, Ayrenn

hlf of the time she is also only whinywhiny like oh am i the rightfull king blah? and then....she is called more a warrior than a queen but then i am fighting next to her ...and just... erm... "can u now pls kill the npc as u intended to?"

VaranisArano

They are all bad leaders.

Major, major spoilers for their questlines below.

Jorunn suffers from only being present in 2/5ths of the Pact zones and then spends half the Eastmarch zone quest out of commission. He completely fails to anticipate his brother's rebellion, lets the entire Rift be invaded by Reachmen and the Worm Cult on his watch (not that Eastmarch is in any better shape, between the rogue Kynarthean priestesses and the vampires) and at Stirk shows himself the least tempermentally capable of,having a conversation about what has to be done. Worst of all? His their, Irnskar, is incompetent and arrogant, a spiteful whiny brat who has no respect for allies. If you judge a father by his son, Jorunn doesn't look so great.

Emeric, in contrast, acts like he wishes Ranser had won the rebellion and taken over the duties of kingship instead. Emeric might have the political sway to get the Redguards and Orcs onboard with the Covenant, but he's done a pretty poor job with managing his own High Rock. I'll give him a pass for Stormhaven because of Vaermina's intervention, but the fiasco in Rivenspire stems directly from Emerics refusal to reappoint a leader in the wake of Ranser's rebellion. Worse, Emeric shows appallingly bad judgement by trusting Count Verandis Ravenwatxh, who turns out to have caused the entire problem because he couldn't stick to his convictions to not turn the Montclair family, then made the situation, horribly worse by his incompetence at the Doomcrag, shows,no concern for innocent citizens turned by a hideous bloodcurse right beneath his castle AND turns over a powerful to Molag Bal. Not only does Emeric trust that guy, Emeric still shuffles off the decision of who gets to be in charge of Rivenspire to the Vestige.
The Alikr questline is embarassing for Emeric and the Redguards because if it weren't for Queen Maryah stepping in, Emeric would have sat on his hands while a close ally got dethroned by necromancers. Then, in Bangkorai, Emeric is active! He's leading armies, capturing cities, it should be awesome...right? Yeah, no, because he's only doing it to impress an old flame, Septima Tharn, who is obviously a bad guy and plays Emeric like a fiddle. You'd think Emeric would have the sense to stick with the obviously competent Maryah who's holding down one of his major alliances and for whom he fought a major civil war, but apparently not. Emeric is generally sensible in demeanor, but a closer look reveals that he's not very good at managing his own kingsome and that causes a lot of problems.

Ayrenn, oh, Ayrenn. Let's start with the complete naivety with the idea that you can show up out of the blue, crush your little brother's hopes, dreams, and plans and not have there be consequences. I'll give Naemon some credit, he seems bitter but accepting in Auridon, so clearly he and Ayrenn worked something out, but Ayrenn really should have anticipated a rebellion like the Veiled Heritance, if not from Estre than from someone else opposed to the Dominion or hoping Naemon would rule.
Then we look at the Dominion's war effort. If Ayrenn knew about the Dominion's plan in Shadowfen and approved, enough said. If Ayrenn didn't know, she's got serious issues with controlling her military forces overseas. Either one is a pretty serious indictment of her leadership.
Ayrenn has a knack for picking talented people to help her out, but she often doesnt have the wisdom to think about potential problems ahead. Sure, it would have been awkward to just arrest everyone in Estre's inner circle and have them questioned after her death, or grab Vicereeve Pelidil after Naemon pulled his trick, but doing so would have stopped the whole lich thing in Greenshade before it started. Or, you know, maybe collecting powerful relics does bad things when someone steals them...
Ultimately, the vision we see in the Path of Jone and Jose rings true for Ayrenn's possible future. She cant pull the Dominion together on her own, seeking power to hold everyone to herself rather than the wisdom to see and fix the problems she faces. In the end, she dies, because those who used to follow her reject her vision because her methods had become appalling. That's a possible future, but it speaks to Ayrenn's failures as a leader. Her Dominion separately needs the Green Lady, the Silvenar and the Mane to remedy Ayrenn's lack of foresight, her naivety, and general failure to evaluate the consequences of her actions.

TLDR: all of the leaders are flawed individuals whose failures impact their faction. Jorunn gets less screen time than the other two, but all of them have major issues.

Fortunately, a flawed character is an interesting character. As much fun as it would be to serve a competent, capable monarch who didn't need me to fetch, carry, and solve civil wars for them, Emeric, Jorunn, and Ayrenn all make the factions more interesting because of their flaws rather than in spite of them.

Dracane

Queen Ayrenn

Definately Ayrenn

Thevampirenight

I can see the Skald-King is not getting much love.

phermitgb

King Emeric

they're all *flawed* leaders, to be sure...

that having been said, I like Emeric the most. Sadly, Emeric comes off as mostly kind of an addle-pated older gentlemen - He's a capable but not particularly impressive warrior, he's a competent and rational but not very passionate or dynamic statesman. But, he's surrounded by reliable people, and he's surprisingly, refreshingly, even handed, and calm. He has a little breakdown midway through the DC storyline (minor spoiler) but he comes out mostly okay. And he's surrounded by mostly equally rational and capable people. I like his wife, particularly - she makes an excellent connection to the Redguard dynasty, King Faharajad is a fairly capable king in his own right, and even King Kurog is an Orc "progressive", capable of embracing rationalism over revenge

in fact, that might be my biggest reason for liking the DC storyline. While their leaders are far from perfect, they're all *smart* people - smart enough to realize that rational decisions are AT LEAST AS IMPORTANT as heroic, passionate reactions - something I wish I saw in more modern leaders.

Ayrenn, on the other hand, is your classic fantasy hero leader. She's passionate, dynamic, powerful, and yah, she's kinda hot. Thing is, she's SURROUNDED by (spoiler alert) the worst kinds of people. For all that you want to like her, after she's betrayed by like the 3rd member of her inner circle, you kind of reach this point of "seriously, how did you not see this coming?" - she's also kinda hamstrung by the fact that her progressive and mostly sympathizeable ideals are barely shared by the majority of her people. There's even this sequence where you can overhear a thalmor...I dunno what you'd call them, I guess an immigration/social worker, talking about how other members of the Dominion should be treated to establish proper relationships between the three races...it's really, REALLY overtly racist (from an ESO standpoint), and you wonder how this is allowed to be official policy. Point being, Queen Ayrenn's progressive policies have very little impact on her people.

Honestly, I don't even remember the other two leaders of the Dominion. I'm sure they did...something, but I couldn't tell you what it was. I *did* like the Green Lady and...the guy that is her companion - can't remember his title - but they were more interesting as people and as an evolving leadership position.

Oh, and the two khajit (khajiti?) sisters - that was a fun storyline - I guess I don't remember the Khajit leader because they were in transition - so, you'd have a decent "person" in the Khajit leadership position, but not very experienced.

I'm just beginning the EP storyline with my main (and sorta rushed through most of it with my crafting alt) so my jury's still out on the EP leadership

but yah - for me, Emeric and company all the way. They're my kinda people, for one - and for two, they actually have the all the components necessary and in place to be EFFECTIVE - can't say as much for the other two factions so far...

srfrogg23

I actually like all of them. I think they were all pretty well written and have interesting personalities...

Why no poll option for that?

Thevampirenight

srfrogg23 wrote: »

I actually like all of them. I think they were all pretty well written and have interesting personalities...

Why no poll option for that?

I should have did not think of doing it at the time. If we could edit or add new poll options then I would put that one into this poll but we don't have the ability

Jade1986

Queen Ayrenn

Ayrenn, obviously, she fights for equality.

phermitgb wrote: »

they're all *flawed* leaders, to be sure...

that having been said, I like Emeric the most. Sadly, Emeric comes off as mostly kind of an addle-pated older gentlemen - He's a capable but not particularly impressive warrior, he's a competent and rational but not very passionate or dynamic statesman. But, he's surrounded by reliable people, and he's surprisingly, refreshingly, even handed, and calm. He has a little breakdown midway through the DC storyline (minor spoiler) but he comes out mostly okay. And he's surrounded by mostly equally rational and capable people. I like his wife, particularly - she makes an excellent connection to the Redguard dynasty, King Faharajad is a fairly capable king in his own right, and even King Kurog is an Orc "progressive", capable of embracing rationalism over revenge

in fact, that might be my biggest reason for liking the DC storyline. While their leaders are far from perfect, they're all *smart* people - smart enough to realize that rational decisions are AT LEAST AS IMPORTANT as heroic, passionate reactions - something I wish I saw in more modern leaders.

Ayrenn, on the other hand, is your classic fantasy hero leader. She's passionate, dynamic, powerful, and yah, she's kinda hot. Thing is, she's SURROUNDED by (spoiler alert) the worst kinds of people. For all that you want to like her, after she's betrayed by like the 3rd member of her inner circle, you kind of reach this point of "seriously, how did you not see this coming?" - she's also kinda hamstrung by the fact that her progressive and mostly sympathizeable ideals are barely shared by the majority of her people. There's even this sequence where you can overhear a thalmor...I dunno what you'd call them, I guess an immigration/social worker, talking about how other members of the Dominion should be treated to establish proper relationships between the three races...it's really, REALLY overtly racist (from an ESO standpoint), and you wonder how this is allowed to be official policy. Point being, Queen Ayrenn's progressive policies have very little impact on her people.

Honestly, I don't even remember the other two leaders of the Dominion. I'm sure they did...something, but I couldn't tell you what it was. I *did* like the Green Lady and...the guy that is her companion - can't remember his title - but they were more interesting as people and as an evolving leadership position.

Oh, and the two khajit (khajiti?) sisters - that was a fun storyline - I guess I don't remember the Khajit leader because they were in transition - so, you'd have a decent "person" in the Khajit leadership position, but not very experienced.

I'm just beginning the EP storyline with my main (and sorta rushed through most of it with my crafting alt) so my jury's still out on the EP leadership

but yah - for me, Emeric and company all the way. They're my kinda people, for one - and for two, they actually have the all the components necessary and in place to be EFFECTIVE - can't say as much for the other two factions so far...

The question was about the leaders, not the people around them. And its clearl ayrenn then.

Vanya

Queen Ayrenn

Queen Ayrenn An Altmeri therefore Superior. Wise,powerful,Creative and Dominant, Incredibly wise for her Age.

Humility is a noble thing, but you must also remain strong and self-assured. A true champion is also history's pawn, and history is a cruel and unfeeling master."

The Aldmeri Dominion superiority. Dominion is dominating thanks to the Queen. She can easily duel and win other two High kings. She is not reckless as Jorunn and insecure as Emeric. She is our queen. Praise thy queen.

Ayrenn takes great pride in the Aldmeri Dominion, believing it to be the strongest alliance on Nirn which is unquestionably the true. With her unrivalled leadership and mightiest feel of Tamriel they are magically, politically the strongest and they have the by far the most exceptional fleet. Let me put it simply ~ Who controls the sea it controls the entire world. Nobody can step foot on Isles or come near by unless Queen allows such an action. If queen truly wants she can devastate most of the Tamriel and cause a chaos by blocking every single major port and city, Do you know what shall follow?

They have the most powerful navy in all of Tamriel for real. That is a much stronger asset than many people give credit for. Boats allow you to move huge amounts of equipment great distances much faster and much cheaper than you can by land. Not to mention that powerful cities almost always spring up near an ocean, sea, or waterway, leaving them open to an attack from the water. We know well from history in real life that sea domination before meant the control of entire world in the essence.

Alinor is by far the most powerful city as well. Queen's personal bodyguard is possibly the deadliest fighting force of Tamriel.

Summerset isles is the Superpower of the Tamriel. Its virtually unconquerable except perhaps Deadric forces. The greatest intellectual minds and the warriors of the unsurpassed skill due to their very long lives and nature. Elves are perfectionists, add the support of Cats as well.

~ While Ayrenn is said to possess a genuine humility and kindness rarely seen among her people, she is also a decisive leader.

~ She wields the weapons and gear which is possibly enchanted as well of incomprehensible quality. Make no mistake or offence. The Aldmeri Dominion an Queen outclassed other two factions by few levels and High Elves can stand alone against every other Pact&Covenant forces. They are inconceivably powerful.

~ To finalise your question and conclude indeed she is the best in every single possible way except one Age. She doesn't have more experience than other two, but won't matter for she is incredibly wise and far too potent.

The Queen wins. Aldmeri dominates ultimately I must admit despite my love for the Nords and admiration of Redguards , every other race and leader is nothing more but peasants. Personal opinion. Do not be offended. I had to state my honest opinion. Queen is more powerful than I believe most players realise and High Elves if pressed by all sides can lock themselves on Isles and control entire seas and possibly conquer most of the Tamriel and demoralize two factions. The invasion would be only problematic due to terrain and climate, if it wasn't for that, you'll be all speaking Elivsh


Thanks kindly for reading

Thevampirenight

Vanyalicious wrote: »

Queen Ayrenn An Altmeri therefore Superior. Wise,powerful,Creative and Dominant, Incredibly wise for her Age.

Humility is a noble thing, but you must also remain strong and self-assured. A true champion is also history's pawn, and history is a cruel and unfeeling master."

The Aldmeri Dominion superiority. Dominion is dominating thanks to the Queen. She can easily duel and win other two High kings. She is not reckless as Jorunn and insecure as Emeric. She is our queen. Praise thy queen.

Ayrenn takes great pride in the Aldmeri Dominion, believing it to be the strongest alliance on Nirn which is unquestionably the true. With her unrivalled leadership and mightiest feel of Tamriel they are magically, politically the strongest and they have the by far the most exceptional fleet. Let me put it simply ~ Who controls the sea it controls the entire world. Nobody can step foot on Isles or come near by unless Queen allows such an action. If queen truly wants she can devastate most of the Tamriel and cause a chaos by blocking every single major port and city, Do you know what shall follow?

They have the most powerful navy in all of Tamriel for real. That is a much stronger asset than many people give credit for. Boats allow you to move huge amounts of equipment great distances much faster and much cheaper than you can by land. Not to mention that powerful cities almost always spring up near an ocean, sea, or waterway, leaving them open to an attack from the water. We know well from history in real life that sea domination before meant the control of entire world in the essence.

Alinor is by far the most powerful city as well. Queen's personal bodyguard is possibly the deadliest fighting force of Tamriel.

Summerset isles is the Superpower of the Tamriel. Its virtually unconquerable except perhaps Deadric forces. The greatest intellectual minds and the warriors of the unsurpassed skill due to their very long lives and nature. Elves are perfectionists, add the support of Cats as well.

~ While Ayrenn is said to possess a genuine humility and kindness rarely seen among her people, she is also a decisive leader.

~ She wields the weapons and gear which is possibly enchanted as well of incomprehensible quality. Make no mistake or offence. The Aldmeri Dominion an Queen outclassed other two factions by few levels and High Elves can stand alone against every other Pact&Covenant forces. They are inconceivably powerful.

~ To finalise your question and conclude indeed she is the best in every single possible way except one Age. She doesn't have more experience than other two, but won't matter for she is incredibly wise and far too potent.

The Queen wins. Aldmeri dominates ultimately I must admit despite my love for the Nords and admiration of Redguards , every other race and leader is nothing more but peasants. Personal opinion.

Thanks kindly for reading

Well there is one person that can come along and basically bring ruin to Alinor. But not to worry that won't come for another 400 years or more. Lots of war and chaos till that time comes.

JobooAGS

King Emeric

I prefer Fahara'jad over all, I guess I'll settle with Emeric

Darkstorne

King Emeric

As a leader, Emeric. I get why a lot of "vidya gamers" would think Ayrenn for how she leads from the front and loves battle, but when it comes to management of a kingdom for the benefit of its people, Emeric shows the most skill by far. Leave the fighting to your generals.

Wing

Queen Ayrenn

Ayrenn. she has a much better method in uniting the factions then the other two and the unification she starts lays the groundwork for the dominions to come.

the other factions are just too unstable at there core:

the pact is laughable in the three races that despise, killed, and in some cases enslaved each other would work together, I think the nords would be down for a tussle but I think dunmer culture is one of feeling superior to the point of not caring what happens in the world. as we come to find out a lot of the houses don't give a crap and telvanni is not even part of the pact.

(I would find it more likely that black marsh would have joined the dominion as black marsh is naturally very impervious, could be easily reinforced by AD via ports and shipping, and has a natural hatred for the dark elves)

the covenant is in a similar position in that while the redguards and the Bretons have come together on occasion they naturally don't like each other, the Bretons are also far to political (ala game of thrones) and its very hard to fight a war with so much internal politics (ala game of thrones) and the orcs keep getting attacked by both.

**the winner**

the dominion factions each associate power to a singular ruler (Queen Ayrenn, King Aeradan, and the Khajiit Thane respectively) both elven rulers have very long lives and thus don't have to worry about political shake ups compared to conventional life spans, and the Thane is essentially chosen by the Khajiit god so nobody argues that.

so off the get go there power base is more stable (this is one of the reasons they want to win the war, they find themselves far more stable) and aside from a few short lived fights between the Bosmer and Khajiit have historically gotten along a lot better then the other alliances (by far)

and like I said if this had been real instead of the contrived reasons why factions are grouped in three I feel that the dominion would have had a much better chance of convincing a few other races to join there cause.

the argonians are an easy first, and possibly even the orsimer (as they are a mer race) even just froming a non aggression pact with the orcs would weaken DC.

Jade1986

Queen Ayrenn

Darkstorne wrote: »

As a leader, Emeric. I get why a lot of "vidya gamers" would think Ayrenn for how she leads from the front and loves battle, but when it comes to management of a kingdom for the benefit of its people, Emeric shows the most skill by far. Leave the fighting to your generals.

I prefer a lead that leads by example, not one that chills and lets everyone do the work.

Enslaved

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Check the faction main quests. Who is the one kicking some butts and facing the action?

Yea, Ayrenn

What a lie. All 3 of them fight.

Kendaric

Jorunn Skald-King

Jorunn, despite the fact that he allowed the filthy Argonians into the Pact.

Vanya

Queen Ayrenn

Extra: Evil Queen ~ The Alternative outcome: The Largest Naval force set sails from Summerest destroying any opposing fleets and blocking the trade to major ports/cities of Daggerfall Convenant/EbonHeart Pact which means less materials,food,equipment in general. They have inferior logistics and they aren't disciplined nor organised well as Aldmeri Dominion. For instance the only two races that could in theory oppose and stay defiant for longer peroid of time are the Nords and The Redguards due to their homeland which provides natural defence and they have the most talented and fierce warrior culture ,but it wouldn't last forever indeed. With every faction either wiped out ,enslaved, severely weakened , in ruins. Crumbled,shattered and spirit broken. They would have fallen possibly until very last man. Nords are too prideful though they do act better as an army, Redguards as individuals and which makes it even worse they are rivals. Slow but systematical deconstruction of the religion,laws,people and everything within. Skyrim would be possibly last to fall and certain sub-regions within Hammerfell. Even united they wouldn't stand a chance. The Khajit meanwhile can launch constant small surprise attacks on Morrowind or Black Marsh with the support of Bosmer which can deal with any other minor threat,but other races aren't capable enough to pose a critical threat. The blow is permanent and they cannot recover. Only a tiny pockets of resistance fighters remains hidden in depths and secretive places within mountains or deserts. Aldmeri Dominion takes full control the Tamriel.

Few years later the Largest Deadric invasion smites and shocks down the Nirn. The rifts are open. At the present time Tis Deadra vs Aldmeri Dominion. The surviving members of the other races are either imprisoned,dead or swore eternal allegiance to the Elves{Low amount possibly}

The Elves are too fabulous to lose.The High Queen Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri is the Altmer leader of the Aldmeri Dominion and now as well as the High Queen of the Nirn.

Elves completely dominate Nirn. Deadric forces lose temper and now fight amongst each other.

Not even the Elder scrolls could have foretold such an outcome

The Nirn becomes a Jewel unsurpassed in beauty and power within the Universe. The end.

Thanks for reading again.

VaranisArano

Enslaved wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Check the faction main quests. Who is the one kicking some butts and facing the action?

Yea, Ayrenn

What a lie. All 3 of them fight.

All three of them fight, but Ayrenn does the most fighting (where the Vestige can see her, anyways).

Admittedly, Jorunn is hamstrung by being in only 2 out of the 5 faction zones and spends half of Eastmarch being poisoned, but at least he gets to fight Sinmur the Giant. Problem is, Jorunn would rather talk to his brother when he needs to fight and would rather fight the other alliance leaders when he needs to talk. Ugh!

Emeric is pretty good at leading his army in Bangkorai, up until he loses his head over old flame Septima Tharn and that doesn't turn out so well for him. Kind of embarassing.

Ayrenn is generally willing to pick up her sword to deal with major threats like the Veiled Heritance and the lich in Greenshade, if anything, its her willingness to fight that gets her in trouble during the alternate future of Jone and Jode. She'd rather fight than work out her issues with her own Altmer people and that works out as well as you'd expect, growing into enormous problems in that alternate future.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Queen Ayrenn

You matched the colors to the factions!

MacCait

Queen Ayrenn

I played a bit of all looking for a leader that I like the most, someone i'd probably follow if was in Tamriel for real... they all have a few flaws, and are all misunderstood by their enemies. Though, meeting the Queen last of all, I was sold. She get's blammed for a lot of stuff in other faction story lines, but in reality within the story, it is her subordinates who are out of control and to blame. Her internal struggle is with those in the Dominion who are undermining her. Kinda liked that after going through other stories. Think Aldmeri is greatly misunderstood, yet has the best story lines, coolest characters, territories and the most down to earth likeable leader that is both strong and caring... of course like everything i guess it's subjective.

Aebaradath

None of them are. They are all bad leaders.

Alessia makes these three look like toddlers fighting over a pacifier.

Varana

Queen Ayrenn

Jorunn severely suffers from the fact that he's just not there for the majority of the quest line.
You meet Ayrenn right from the start. You see Emeric a bit later but are involved with his family once you set foot in Daggerfall. Jorunn appears in the second-to-last zone for the first time, and the earlier zones are completely independent from him being supposedly leader.

TheTwistedRune

King Emeric

Emeric obviously. I cant help but imagine Jorunn being p i s s e d up most of the time. And don't get me started on Ayrenn. The leader of something called the Aldmeri "Dominion".

Dominion:

noun
1.
the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority.
2.
rule; control; domination.

Nuff said.

Just my opinion of course.

MacCait

Queen Ayrenn

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

Emeric obviously. I cant help but imagine Jorunn being p i s s e d up most of the time. And don't get me started on Ayrenn. The leader of something called the Aldmeri "Dominion".

Dominion:

noun
1.
the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority.
2.
rule; control; domination.

Nuff said.

Just my opinion of course.

LOL ... Domion also means:

• A territory or sphere of influence or control;
• A realm.
• A self-governing nation

The term Aldmeri relates to first ones, elder race. ie. First realm, elder realm, elder territory etc.

Meet it's leader and that soons becomes clear. Its not the third reich

Iselin

Queen Ayrenn

Her Royal Hotness, of course.