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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
Enough raids - how about a 2nd solo challenge like VMA?
rophez_ESO
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We have lots of raids for people that like to herd hampsters (pug) or those with large groups of friends.
Some of us like to challenge ourselves, and rely on ourselves. VMA is getting old after hundreds of runs. The rewards are lackluster - no one uses anything but bow and a couple staves. Please ZOS, give the rewards an update and put in another solo challenge! Maybe not an arena, maybe even tune the new raid to have a solo option that's as challenging as VMA? I dunno, I don't get paid big bucks to come up with this stuff.
Some of us like to challenge ourselves, and rely on ourselves. VMA is getting old after hundreds of runs. The rewards are lackluster - no one uses anything but bow and a couple staves. Please ZOS, give the rewards an update and put in another solo challenge! Maybe not an arena, maybe even tune the new raid to have a solo option that's as challenging as VMA? I dunno, I don't get paid big bucks to come up with this stuff.
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Enemy-of-Coldharbour✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would like to see a two person challenge so I can play with a friend...this is an MMO after all.
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✭Honestly, I think that might be what abyssal geysers are.... waiting for the "big reveal".
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rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭Lol it is an MMO. vMA by itself was a big design flaw. Maybe a 2 player instance like others suggested but ZOS already said that public dungeons were designed as 2 man content so I doubt we will be seeing more.I play how I want to.0 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I hope not, I loathe vma. Never want to see another solo trial with exclusive gear again.
I'd be fine with a 2 man though. This game is an mmo, there shouldn't be solo only content.PS4 / NA
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Kanar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agreed, we need more 2, 3, 4 person trial content. 12 man trials are boring and we already have a lot of them.5 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is an MMORPG after all
Next content along the lines of DSA, MA, AS is likely to be either 2, 6 or 8 man. Doubtful we will see another solo for awhile.0 -
rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭Agreed, we need more 2, 3, 4 person trial content. 12 man trials are boring and we already have a lot of them.
12 man content are the end game PVE of this game. I'm assuming that you have completed all the vet HM trials out right now to make such a comment else stop trolling.I play how I want to.1 -
Shad0wfire99✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. There are never enough raids.
2. There should be more 2 or 4 man arenas/trials.
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Shezzarrine✭✭✭✭✭I would love a 2, 3, or 6 man trial, or even another MA-type solo trial.Edited by Shezzarrine on March 22, 2018 5:01PM2
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Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭rustic_potato wrote: »
You cant really call it end game if only a tiny part of the population only does it. ATM trials are more niche than anything.4 -
NobleX35✭✭✭✭I’d really enjoy another solo arena, although a duo arena could be interesting as well. Could also have a solo/duo arena. Solo = hard mode, duo = easy/normal mode."Only the dead have seen the end of war."3 -
Shad0wfire99✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anotherone773 wrote: »rustic_potato wrote: »
You cant really call it end game if only a tiny part of the population only does it. ATM trials are more niche than anything.
Choosing not to do it doesn't keep it from being end-game content.
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rophez_ESO✭✭✭✭✭rustic_potato wrote: »
Nah, there's lots of opportunities for different end game content. I work full time and don't want to schedule my end game play around 11 other people. I still like being in a world inhabited by others, doing occasional dungeon queues and PVP, not to mention the auction house, so please don't start with the, "Why play an MMO" comments.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »rustic_potato wrote: »
You cant really call it end game if only a tiny part of the population only does it. ATM trials are more niche than anything.
If trials are niche then MA would be as well. Your point doesn’t make sense in the context of this thread ans the post your replied to.2 -
rophez_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Have different "end game" content for different types of people is fine.
"Play your Way" - amiright?5 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »rustic_potato wrote: »
You cant really call it end game if only a tiny part of the population only does it. ATM trials are more niche than anything.
If trials are niche then MA would be as well. Your point doesn’t make sense in the context of this thread ans the post your replied to.
Besides the fact its literally the title of the thread. Yes it does "We have lots of raids" is literally the first 4 words of the OP's post. Follow by a reply of " 12 man content are the end game PVE of this game" followed by my comment. Do ya follow? Reading comprehension 4TW!
Trials are niche because only a small part of the pop does them. Much smaller than the percent that raids in other games. For many they arent accessible even in end game. Even if your in a trial guild it doesnt guarantee you will get to do trials and if you do it may only be as "fillers" on occasion after you prove your worth to the mighty elitists.
Other players simply have no interest in that end game, thus its very niche. The solution is to either create content the majority of players will do or make content such as trials easier to access and more lucrative to those players who are otherwise uninterested in the excessive requirements required to do that content.
The OP offers a solution to appeal to more people. Its much easier for those of us who have lives to get into 2-4 man groups to do content as opposed to have a 12 man content that you have to schedule around peoples lives, who have them anyway. Trials are simply a pain in ass, with little significant reward. Raidfinder with an easier version and lesser rewards would go along way to help. Group finder for raids is the best thing they invented in MMO raids since they invented raids themselves.
But 2-4 man group content is another good alternative. Personally id like to see content that is "select-a-size" and the difficulty and rewards increase based on group size.8 -
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✭Was really hoping for a duo Arena announced for Summerset. Just another Trial for guilds and pugs. Let us small scale players have something other than Vet Dungeons and VMA!PC-NA8 -
ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭rophez_ESO wrote: »We have lots of raids for people that like to herd hampsters (pug) or those with large groups of friends.
Some of us like to challenge ourselves, and rely on ourselves. VMA is getting old after hundreds of runs. The rewards are lackluster - no one uses anything but bow and a couple staves. Please ZOS, give the rewards an update and put in another solo challenge! Maybe not an arena, maybe even tune the new raid to have a solo option that's as challenging as VMA? I dunno, I don't get paid big bucks to come up with this stuff.
I agree. Instanced solo arena is love.
But maybe we'd all be happiest if they could offer us the option at the door: solo, two-man, four-man. Maybe let us pick map themes too, with gear won based on what kind of map and enemies we fight.
Or give me a portal for one in my house, I don't care about gear and leaderboards, it's just fun.Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.7 -
Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I was hoping for this with Summerset
But nope, another 12 man trial that I'll probably never do because progression groups are boring as hell
I just wanted a place for my girlfriend and I to live for a bit
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rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »rustic_potato wrote: »
You cant really call it end game if only a tiny part of the population only does it. ATM trials are more niche than anything.
If trials are niche then MA would be as well. Your point doesn’t make sense in the context of this thread ans the post your replied to.
Besides the fact its literally the title of the thread. Yes it does "We have lots of raids" is literally the first 4 words of the OP's post. Follow by a reply of " 12 man content are the end game PVE of this game" followed by my comment. Do ya follow? Reading comprehension 4TW!
Trials are niche because only a small part of the pop does them. Much smaller than the percent that raids in other games. For many they arent accessible even in end game. Even if your in a trial guild it doesnt guarantee you will get to do trials and if you do it may only be as "fillers" on occasion after you prove your worth to the mighty elitists.
Other players simply have no interest in that end game, thus its very niche. The solution is to either create content the majority of players will do or make content such as trials easier to access and more lucrative to those players who are otherwise uninterested in the excessive requirements required to do that content.
The OP offers a solution to appeal to more people. Its much easier for those of us who have lives to get into 2-4 man groups to do content as opposed to have a 12 man content that you have to schedule around peoples lives, who have them anyway. Trials are simply a pain in ass, with little significant reward. Raidfinder with an easier version and lesser rewards would go along way to help. Group finder for raids is the best thing they invented in MMO raids since they invented raids themselves.
But 2-4 man group content is another good alternative. Personally id like to see content that is "select-a-size" and the difficulty and rewards increase based on group size.
Well for starters I disagree that there are too many raids. I will agree that statement is correct when we have more 12 man content than 4 man content. Game devs usually allocate around 20-40% of their resources to the hardcore playerbase especially in an MMO. Mainly cos a game without endgame doesn't have any player retaining ability. Trials and Battlegrounds are catered to those player base. Those who don't have the time to do Trials or cant be bothered to socially interact with people to do those content are given the open world to do their stuff.
Also spending resources for solo content (MA) in an MMO is probably the worst idea ZOS came up with. Well they did learn and made AS a 12 player content.I play how I want to.0 -
Saint_Bud✭✭✭✭Oh yeah, i would like that. But just as ist was at realese. Soul resoviar, so you cant die forever, no saveing of the stages if you log of and 4 times as hard as is now. That was vam at orsinium release. And the best, evry few days a new vma nearf tread from a noob.PVP Saint-Bud magicka Templar: AR 49
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Kanar✭✭✭✭✭
✭rustic_potato wrote: »
Don't need to do HM to know that they are boring. I mean, HoF is just unbearably terrible in every way from art, story to the actual fights; the last fight is one of the lamest ever created. It's just scripted choreography. Do you have anything meaningful to add to the discussion, or just want to express how you're a fanboy of trials?5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »rustic_potato wrote: »
You cant really call it end game if only a tiny part of the population only does it. ATM trials are more niche than anything.
If trials are niche then MA would be as well. Your point doesn’t make sense in the context of this thread ans the post your replied to.
Besides the fact its literally the title of the thread. Yes it does "We have lots of raids" is literally the first 4 words of the OP's post. Follow by a reply of " 12 man content are the end game PVE of this game" followed by my comment. Do ya follow? Reading comprehension 4TW!
Trials are niche because only a small part of the pop does them. Much smaller than the percent that raids in other games. For many they arent accessible even in end game. Even if your in a trial guild it doesnt guarantee you will get to do trials and if you do it may only be as "fillers" on occasion after you prove your worth to the mighty elitists.
Other players simply have no interest in that end game, thus its very niche. The solution is to either create content the majority of players will do or make content such as trials easier to access and more lucrative to those players who are otherwise uninterested in the excessive requirements required to do that content.
The OP offers a solution to appeal to more people. Its much easier for those of us who have lives to get into 2-4 man groups to do content as opposed to have a 12 man content that you have to schedule around peoples lives, who have them anyway. Trials are simply a pain in ass, with little significant reward. Raidfinder with an easier version and lesser rewards would go along way to help. Group finder for raids is the best thing they invented in MMO raids since they invented raids themselves.
But 2-4 man group content is another good alternative. Personally id like to see content that is "select-a-size" and the difficulty and rewards increase based on group size.
It didn’t matter how many paragraphs you wrote in the reply my comment you replied to is 100% accurate. The title of the thread is irrelevant to it.2
