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Bar Swap Canceling Projectile Skills Causing Issues with Item Sets
LZH
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I'm sure this has already been mentioned several times, but I still haven't seen it be acknowledged by a developer (maybe it's intended?) so I decided that I would make a post.
Currently if you bar swap cancel skills that have any amount of travel time (impale, swallow soul, poison injection, endless hail, force pulse, etc.) you will run into 2 different issues.
1) The skill will take the stats of the bar that you bar swap canceled on to. For example, if I cast poison injection or crippling grasp on my bar that has 2.5K Spell/Weapon damage and bar swap cancel the skill while swapping to my bar with 5K Weapon/Spell damage, the skill will take the stats of the 5K damage bar - making it do much more damage than it would have if I didn't bar swap cancel. This isn't really causing anything to be overpowered or underpowered, because while I can make my crippling grasp hit harder by bar swap canceling, my impale and spectral bow will also hit for less when I bar swap cancel them.
2) Item sets like the Perfected Asylum Destruction Staff or Maelstrom Bow are not granting their set bonuses if you bar swap cancel their associated skills. You have to wait for endless hail to deal damage (takes about 2 seconds) for the Maelstrom buff to proc before you can then bar swap (prior to CWC when the vma bow was an enchant rather than a set bonus, this wasn't an issue). With the Perfected Asylum Staff, if you bar swap cancel while casting a perfected pulse, the status effects will not apply to the target.
Here's a video showing both issues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmtJoozoau4&feature=youtu.be
#2 is probably the bigger issue in my opinion, but it'd be cool if both were somehow addressed.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Wrobel
Edited by LZH on March 22, 2018 3:34AM Currently if you bar swap cancel skills that have any amount of travel time (impale, swallow soul, poison injection, endless hail, force pulse, etc.) you will run into 2 different issues.
1) The skill will take the stats of the bar that you bar swap canceled on to. For example, if I cast poison injection or crippling grasp on my bar that has 2.5K Spell/Weapon damage and bar swap cancel the skill while swapping to my bar with 5K Weapon/Spell damage, the skill will take the stats of the 5K damage bar - making it do much more damage than it would have if I didn't bar swap cancel. This isn't really causing anything to be overpowered or underpowered, because while I can make my crippling grasp hit harder by bar swap canceling, my impale and spectral bow will also hit for less when I bar swap cancel them.
2) Item sets like the Perfected Asylum Destruction Staff or Maelstrom Bow are not granting their set bonuses if you bar swap cancel their associated skills. You have to wait for endless hail to deal damage (takes about 2 seconds) for the Maelstrom buff to proc before you can then bar swap (prior to CWC when the vma bow was an enchant rather than a set bonus, this wasn't an issue). With the Perfected Asylum Staff, if you bar swap cancel while casting a perfected pulse, the status effects will not apply to the target.
Here's a video showing both issues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmtJoozoau4&feature=youtu.be#2 is probably the bigger issue in my opinion, but it'd be cool if both were somehow addressed.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Wrobel
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Poison injection will always recalculates based on the bar you are on, I suppose swapping bars makes the initial hit do more damage but the dot will always recalculate based on the bar you are on.
Not sure how you swap impale. I was under the impression that was a instant skill, it is an execute after all.
For the bow, that is why you always start your back bar rotation with endless, then caltrops, then poison injection. Makes it so that you are on your back bar for that 2 seconds.
With Force pulse and the assy staff, I am also under the impression that is a instant been, no travel time skill, so not sure how that happens. Need to see that happening to buy it.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on March 22, 2018 3:11AM0 -
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✭I would say Number 1 is working as intended, abilities calculate damage when they hit, not when they're initiated. DoTs were even specifically changed to recalculate damage with every tick a handful of patches ago.
Number 2 though does seem like an issue, especially with an ability like Endless Hail since that directly impacts the usefulness of the Maelstrom Bow.0 -
LZH✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Poison injection will always recalculates based on the bar you are on, I suppose swapping bars makes the initial hit do more damage but the dot will always recalculate based on the bar you are on.
Not sure how you swap impale. I was under the impression that was a instant skill, it is an execute after all.
For the bow, that is why you always start your back bar rotation with endless, then caltrops, then poison injection. Makes it so that you are on your back bar for that 2 seconds.
With Force pulse and the assy staff, I am also under the impression that is a instant been, no travel time skill, so not sure how that happens. Need to see that happening to buy it.
You can go test on a dummy with all of the skills you mentioned and see the difference.
The Force pulse with asylum staff is a pretty well-known bug, but again you'd have to test for yourself or watch a youtube video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmtJoozoau4&feature=youtu.be Edited by LZH on March 22, 2018 3:27AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Thanks for posting about this.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Baz✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Poison injection will always recalculates based on the bar you are on, I suppose swapping bars makes the initial hit do more damage but the dot will always recalculate based on the bar you are on.
And I want to mention that recalculation consume the cruel flurry (vMA DW) buff each tick of the injection, which cause to make these weapons unplayable
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vCR : 128.397 WS MagSorc
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