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Any Bets On How Effed PvP Is Post Summerset?

Vapirko
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What’s your prediction? Jewelry crafting with 6 new traits, a skill line that involves a 4 second reset. I mean imbalance aside there’s no way that could cause any lag or bugs right? A zerg full of people all smashing reset every time they make a mistake :D:D
  • Sixty5
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    The 4 second reset was confirmed to be the Ultimate, so while it sounds powerful, I don't think it will be super annoying to deal with, since you are giving up Dawnbreaker or Destro Ulti or whatever else.

    Also I'd be more worried about the balance changes that are going to come with the update, given what happened with Morrowind.
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  • Skander
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    Vapirko wrote: »
    What’s your prediction? Jewelry crafting with 6 new traits, a skill line that involves a 4 second reset. I mean imbalance aside there’s no way that could cause any lag or bugs right? A zerg full of people all smashing reset every time they make a mistake :D:D

    Ye, i hope reset will be an ultimate. But still. The zergs are getting buffed
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  • Adenoma
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    I'm 50/50 on whether or not I'll stop playing after this next chapter. I'll try it for a bit, hopefully it's fun, but as of now I think most of this sounds pretty dumb.

    To be honest, it's a level of content equivalent to a DLC and it costs a heck of a lot more (plus we can't use crowns).
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  • Thogard
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    Skander wrote: »
    Vapirko wrote: »
    What’s your prediction? Jewelry crafting with 6 new traits, a skill line that involves a 4 second reset. I mean imbalance aside there’s no way that could cause any lag or bugs right? A zerg full of people all smashing reset every time they make a mistake :D:D

    Ye, i hope reset will be an ultimate. But still. The zergs are getting buffed
    How are they getting buffed?
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  • Minalan
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Skander wrote: »
    Vapirko wrote: »
    What’s your prediction? Jewelry crafting with 6 new traits, a skill line that involves a 4 second reset. I mean imbalance aside there’s no way that could cause any lag or bugs right? A zerg full of people all smashing reset every time they make a mistake :D:D

    Ye, i hope reset will be an ultimate. But still. The zergs are getting buffed
    How are they getting buffed?

    You jump into a ball Zerg and start to kill them with an AOE. A bunch of them zap back to where they were four seconds back in time. They res the one or two guys that died and run you over.

    Magblades are going to be absolutely wicked with it, between that and the shade teleport, there is no reason for one to ever die. Totally rolling one here.
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    Wait so it’s a teleport?
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  • Minalan
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Wait so it’s a teleport?

    Teleport to where you were four seconds ago, with whatever resources and (I assume) status effects you had - minus the ultimate cost.

    It had better be an expensive ultimate, like 300+. Or I’m going to abuse it so bad...
    Edited by Minalan on March 22, 2018 12:30AM
  • Vapirko
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    Minalan wrote: »
    Thogard wrote: »
    Wait so it’s a teleport?

    Teleport to where you were four seconds ago, with whatever resources and (I assume) status effects you had - minus the ultimate cost.

    It had better be an expensive ultimate, like 300+. Or I’m going to abuse it so bad...

    The issue won't be with solo players, you cant give up an ultimate unless maybe you're a gank build and you fail. As always the issue will be in the zerg users.
  • Waffennacht
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    All it really is, is: restore full health, full mag, full Stam. At best that's what the ult does when you break it down.

    Is that OP?

    Not really, not unless it has some funky interactions with sets I'm not accounting for.

    I guess something like Phoenix: die, Proc set, use ult if it resets set, then you can die again and if enough ult come back again
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  • Ragnarock41
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    When you play an utterly ruined class, you don't care about nerfs or balance anymore, thats exactly how I feel about the future of PvP.
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    These new skills will be decent for pve but it will probably wreck pvp a lot. NBs will be the best utilizer of the skills.
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  • Morgul667
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    What I read was :

    - new op skills to grind or ill get wrecked in PVP
    - jewelry to refarm due to new traits
    - no PVP addition

    ok... did I miss something or they decided this update would not be for PVP players ?
  • VaranisArano
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    Honestly, undoing time isn't that bad. We've already got experience with it. You know, lag, disconnects, freezes, rollbacks, rubber-banding and Meteor bugs.
  • Xsorus
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    It'll be overpowered for Zergballs.

    I could see it being used maybe for Magicka NBs, but they already have really good ults

    Honestly the class I think that will use it the most depending on cost is Magicka Templar.

  • Izaki
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    The reset is an ultimate.

    As far as the rest is concerned, it will be fine. Nothing will change aside from everyone having more gear options than before.
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  • ak_pvp
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    Seems a bit *** Tbh. Rest ult, earthgore etc is a better reset. It's not even full resources. Its whatever you has 4s ago. For an ult cost.

    More a problem to bursty builds.
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  • VaranisArano
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    At least its an ultimate I can't see the ball groups using. If it teleports you back in space, I can't imagine it working well in any group that cares about "STAY ON CROWN!" I mean, I can't see "oops, boss, I teleported back where we were" going over too well.

    It'll be more effective in small group, 1v1, and disorganized zergs.
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    Imagine ballgroups all using it after their Earthgore proc is on cooldown...
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  • Minalan
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    Morgul667 wrote: »
    What I read was :

    - new op skills to grind or ill get wrecked in PVP
    - jewelry to refarm due to new traits
    - no PVP addition

    ok... did I miss something or they decided this update would not be for PVP players ?

    I think they’re doing jewelry crafting this expansion no?

    We should be able to switch traits (hopefully).

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    Izaki wrote: »
    The reset is an ultimate.

    As far as the rest is concerned, it will be fine. Nothing will change aside from everyone having more gear options than before.

    People are exaggerating this a lot in my opinion.
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    Minalan wrote: »
    Thogard wrote: »
    Skander wrote: »
    Vapirko wrote: »
    What’s your prediction? Jewelry crafting with 6 new traits, a skill line that involves a 4 second reset. I mean imbalance aside there’s no way that could cause any lag or bugs right? A zerg full of people all smashing reset every time they make a mistake :D:D

    Ye, i hope reset will be an ultimate. But still. The zergs are getting buffed
    How are they getting buffed?

    You jump into a ball Zerg and start to kill them with an AOE. A bunch of them zap back to where they were four seconds back in time. They res the one or two guys that died and run you over.

    Magblades are going to be absolutely wicked with it, between that and the shade teleport, there is no reason for one to ever die. Totally rolling one here.

    Lol. Sounds so good on paper and so useless in real fight scenario. 4 seconds is nothing in most group fights You'll be rolled back to basicly the same place You've been when You used ultimate. You can try to create some fancy scenarios how to combine it with other skills but most of the time You'll end up having similar or even better results without it. As for nb's beeing "wicked with it" I wouldnt create any theories about that since we completly dont know class ballance portion of the update. I would really wait for more informations provided by patch notes to see how much the ability will be worth.
    Edited by Juhasow on March 22, 2018 4:11AM
  • Waffennacht
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    If it resets earthgore and if EG stays unchanged lmfao
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  • bardx86
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    its pretty dumb for PVP honestly
  • Torbschka
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    If this is an ultimate I dont see any problem, as long as it has at least 150 ulti cost.

    Chill guys, most people already use an offensive and defensive ulti..
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    Torbschka wrote: »
    If this is an ultimate I dont see any problem, as long as it has at least 150 ulti cost.

    Chill guys, most people already use an offensive and defensive ulti..

    But the lag, how will This ulti work. To be able to rewind to any point the game will constantly be recording your stats at any given time? It just seems wonky and I know it’s going to cause a ton of issues.
  • Torbschka
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    Vapirko wrote: »
    Torbschka wrote: »
    If this is an ultimate I dont see any problem, as long as it has at least 150 ulti cost.

    Chill guys, most people already use an offensive and defensive ulti..

    But the lag, how will This ulti work. To be able to rewind to any point the game will constantly be recording your stats at any given time? It just seems wonky and I know it’s going to cause a ton of issues.

    I see ur point, but this is an technical issue. From a balance point of view I have no problems with that skill - ultis are string and u give up other ultis for that (like resto ulti makes u immortal for 5 seconds etc).
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    Vapirko wrote: »
    Torbschka wrote: »
    If this is an ultimate I dont see any problem, as long as it has at least 150 ulti cost.

    Chill guys, most people already use an offensive and defensive ulti..

    But the lag, how will This ulti work. To be able to rewind to any point the game will constantly be recording your stats at any given time? It just seems wonky and I know it’s going to cause a ton of issues.

    It is like they don't even consider the reality of the game's status when coming up with things. But then, at one point, they said they are very happy with unpopular changes. So...wouldn't surprise me.
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  • Slick_007
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    Minalan wrote: »
    Thogard wrote: »
    Wait so it’s a teleport?

    Teleport to where you were four seconds ago, with whatever resources and (I assume) status effects you had - minus the ultimate cost.

    It had better be an expensive ultimate, like 300+. Or I’m going to abuse it so bad...

    how do you get a teleport out of the image thats going around?
  • Datthaw
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    What to yall think about meditate and time stop. Meditate might be a new staple for most builds. Time stop seems interesting for zerg fights.

    But yeah all this addition and no mention of cyro lag... we're in store for alot of disconnects
  • Feanor
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    Vapirko wrote: »
    Torbschka wrote: »
    If this is an ultimate I dont see any problem, as long as it has at least 150 ulti cost.

    Chill guys, most people already use an offensive and defensive ulti..

    But the lag, how will This ulti work. To be able to rewind to any point the game will constantly be recording your stats at any given time? It just seems wonky and I know it’s going to cause a ton of issues.

    Well, RNG is a beloved concept in ESO. So the resources you are given after using Undo should be totally randomized. :lol:
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