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If Psijic Order skill line is ONLY for Chapter Owners is it P2W?
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Assume for a second that the Psijic Order line is a World Skill line that enhances the player character in some capacity instead of a new class. How will the community react to this? Would you accept it as it is just a skill line for expansion owners or argue it's pay to win assuming it enhances your character in some capacity in combat.
I for some reason doubt it's an entire new class. I feel they will do that with every other Chapter launch.
I for some reason doubt it's an entire new class. I feel they will do that with every other Chapter launch.
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greylox✭✭✭✭✭I would assume anything coming out with the chapter would be chapter exclusive like BGs and warden etc.PC EU
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✭✭✭✭✭The community will react like it always does.
People will scream pay to win and rage about it ignoring the fact the games had advantages for people who paid for DLC/Chapters for almost four years now any way.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭If Warden wasnt P2W then this isnt either.
You could claim that any DLC is P2W if you dont have access to the sets, skills or anything else.
I personally wouldnt say its P2W, skill is still and always will be a requirement in ESO. You arent paying for the skil line maxed out, all armour sets etc You're just paying for access to it which is understanble. Devs did put time in effort at the end of the day.19 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If the Warden class line is ONLY for Chapter owners, is it P2W?
Didn't we already have this discussion last year about Wardens? If you say yes/no to Wardens being P2W, you probably think the same thing about the Psijic Order skill line.13 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If you want it buy it. P2W isn't defined as "everything that's not for free is p2w".PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -15 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No no no @Turelus. Half of the forum will say its OP and P2W and the other half will demand buffs because the skills underperform in endgame PvE.
Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 46 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1700+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.5 -
DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER✭✭✭✭✭wardens are already pay2win in pvp. lets see how strong psijics will be0 -
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✭If vMA and vAS weapons aren't P2W, then the proposed Psijic skill line won't be either.PC - NACP 1125
Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC8 -
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And all this whilst it's in closed beta meaning it gets nerfed into the ground before it's even released? Sound familiar...No no no Turelus. Half of the forum will say its OP and P2W and the other half will demand buffs because the skills underperform in endgame PvE.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Mitrenga✭✭✭✭✭I would accept. You can not expect everything to be free... I will not buy right away though, gonna wait for the community feedback on the new chapter.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Yep, just like Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood were clearly P2W.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |
Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
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✭✭✭✭Oh god. It's this discussion all over again. For someone with that username you sure seem to lack it.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 5024 -
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✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »Oh god. It's this discussion all over again. For someone with that username you sure seem to lack it.
Lmfao on every single one of OP's threads, there's at least one person who makes this comment.PC - NACP 1125
Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC9 -
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✭✭If you are not prepared to support this game and pay for the chapter you shouldn't be playing
Altmer FTW!PC - EU:
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✭✭✭✭✭Considering OP is asking us to assume something then assume something else to come up with essentially an assumption I think this thread will be an entertaining exploration of players imaginations yet still pointless unroll all his assumptions are reality, or not.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »Did I hear necromancers?
No. Necromancers don't make noise, they wait for threads to be forgotten, then bring them back to the front page with glorious abandon.12 -
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✭Considering OP is asking us to assume something then assume something else to come up with essentially an assumption I think this thread will be an entertaining exploration of players imaginations yet still pointless unroll all his assumptions are reality, or not.
Listen, I am trying to provide interesting and quality content to the community for valid and realistic discussion.1 -
VerboseQuips✭✭✭✭✭It will depend on what purpose the Psijic Order skill line will serve, I guess. It could be Quality-of-Life improvements in the day-to-day in-game economy.My characters:Main and crafter: A Breton magicka templar named Erwann Sorril
Alt 1: A Bosmer sorcerer named Tuuneleg
Alt 2: An Imperial dragonknight named Gaius Tullius Hastifer
Alt 3: An Argonian vampire/nightblade named Observe-le-Xanmeer
Alt 4: A Nord werewolf/dragonknight named Sigurd Hurlevent
Alt 5: A Breton sorcerer named Gilian Sorril (he's Erwann's younger brother)
Alt 6: A Khajiit nightblade named Jolan-dar
Alt 7: A Nord warden named Sigurmar Hurlevent (he's Sigurd's younger brother)
Alt 8: An Altmer templar named Oioriel
Alt 9: An Argonian stamina Warden named Danse-avec-les-Rainettes
Alt 10: A Redguard templar named Neemokh af-Corelanya
Alt 11: A Nord stamina sorcerer named Olga Écoute-Vent
Alt 12: A Breton magicka Warden named Ian Sorril
Alt 13: A Dunmer magicka necromancer named Ilmoran Dren
Alt 14: An Orc stamina necromancer named Norgol gro-Borziel
Alt 15: A Nord magicka necromancer named Thorgen Givresang
Alt 16: An Imperial magicka dragonknight named Publius Valeirus Hastifer (Just call him "Valerio" - he's Gaius younger troublemaker of a brother)
Main in NA (For collaborative events): A Breton magicka nightblade named Titouan Sorril (long-lost brother of Erwann and Gilian)0 -
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✭✭✭✭I would love it to be tied to chapter owners only. For cheap folk that want to play an MMORPG for 4 years and spend only 10 euros on it, I say (random incoherent insults) and also (similar tone).8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Considering OP is asking us to assume something then assume something else to come up with essentially an assumption I think this thread will be an entertaining exploration of players imaginations yet still pointless unroll all his assumptions are reality, or not.
Listen, I am trying to provide interesting and quality content to the community for valid and realistic discussion.
The community is quite adept at creating its own, weird, content. I would recommend you focus on participating in the content that exists, and contributing to the discussion there, rather than making your own out of wholecloth. But, you're free to do whatever you've set your mind on. (So long as it's not licking toads and Argonians. That is generally frowned upon.)Edited by starkerealm on March 19, 2018 3:54PM4 -
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✭Considering OP is asking us to assume something then assume something else to come up with essentially an assumption I think this thread will be an entertaining exploration of players imaginations yet still pointless unroll all his assumptions are reality, or not.
Listen, I am trying to provide interesting and quality content to the community for valid and realistic discussion.
So you bring up a topic that was talked/complained about a YEAR ago with Morrowind? Same exact concept. Same discussion.
I get trying to push conversation but come up with something else, bro. All you are doing are feeding the trolls and confusing newer players into thinking this game is like some mobile app game... now THOSE are P2W.
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Aznox✭✭✭✭✭Damn i'm disappointed : the other day i learned about the "ignore user" feature on this forum, and while it does work for comments, i just realized it doesn't hide discussion threads
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✭✭✭✭✭MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Considering OP is asking us to assume something then assume something else to come up with essentially an assumption I think this thread will be an entertaining exploration of players imaginations yet still pointless unroll all his assumptions are reality, or not.
Listen, I am trying to provide interesting and quality content to the community for valid and realistic discussion.
So you bring up a topic that was talked/complained about a YEAR ago with Morrowind? Same exact concept. Same discussion.
I get trying to push conversation but come up with something else, bro. All you are doing are feeding the trolls and confusing newer players into thinking this game is like some mobile app game... now THOSE are P2W.
*Toothy Grin*
That said, context is... kinda, important.0
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