If Psijic Order skill line is ONLY for Chapter Owners is it P2W?

AlienatedGoat

No, it's not pay-to-win.

This argument is brought up literally every time something new is added to the game outside of the base game.

It is expected that you buy expansions that come out. It is expected that you buy DLCs. That isn't pay-to-win. You're paying for game content.

Guarlet

Hint: buy to play is not the same as pay to win. Clearly the OP has no idea what p2w means.

MLGProPlayer

Every game releases DLC with new features. If you're too cheap/don't want to pay for new content, tough luck. A game can't grow without new content.

josiahva

Zhaedri wrote: »

A skill line being p2w because you need the dlc or chapter for it?

Like Warden class skills?

Like Thieves Guild?

Like Dark Brotherhood?

I suppose that line of reasoning suggests the entire game is p2w since you need to have bought it to access any skill lines at all.

^^ Exactly this. You pay to play the game to begin with...and you pay for additional content...this isn't pay to win, this is called paying for your entertainment.

BigBadVolk

VaranisArano wrote: »

If the Warden class line is ONLY for Chapter owners, is it P2W?

Didn't we already have this discussion last year about Wardens? If you say yes/no to Wardens being P2W, you probably think the same thing about the Psijic Order skill line.

I think we will have this with every Chapter, its the natural order of things

Septimus_Magna

P2W is such an overused term it sickens me. Since the beginning of payed DLCs you indeed had to pay to be able to get BiS gear. It doesnt mean you can buy vMA weapons, Velidreth, War Machine, Master Architect, Zaan or Asylum weapons in a cash shop.

You still need to complete the content in order to get the BiS gear, just like you normally do. The only difference is that non-paying players dont have access to these items. But what would be the reason to get the DLC if it didnt offer some way to improve your character?

Its not paying to win if you have to complete content for it. Especially when its very challenging and most casual players arent able to clear it anyway.

starkerealm

QuebraRegra wrote: »

here we go again... it's the warden thing all over again.

I regret the Morrowind chapter... I do not regret the slightly underperforming warden. Remeber how it was going to be OP P2W? LOL

Remember how, basically, everyone who got into the beta said, "no, it's really not," while the only people crying p2w were ones going off of the skill line descriptions on the news article?

Nemesis7884

i just can't bear all the whining anymore from people who want everything handed to them for free

Kodrac

ZOS_JesC wrote: »

We removed a few comments from this thread that promoted flaming and disruptive behavior. If there are any questions about forum policy and community rules you can always check them here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/60843

This thread is nothing but bait. What do you expect letting it stay? How about instead of nitpicking a couple of posts calling out the OP for what it is, you close the damn thing? And while you're at it, give the OP a vacation. He's on a roll with the troll threads.

Shadowmaster

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

P2W is such an overused term it sickens me. Since the beginning of payed DLCs you indeed had to pay to be able to get BiS gear. It doesnt mean you can buy vMA weapons, Velidreth, War Machine, Master Architect, Zaan or Asylum weapons in a cash shop.

You still need to complete the content in order to get the BiS gear, just like you normally do. The only difference is that non-paying players dont have access to these items. But what would be the reason to get the DLC if it didnt offer some way to improve your character?

Its not paying to win if you have to complete content for it. Especially when its very challenging and most casual players arent able to clear it anyway.

this is kind of true. You could get the helms from the vendors in Cyro if you waited long enough. Im sure there are a few players who have this gear without the DLC

Ackwalan

In my opinion, P2W is for gear and other consumables that can only be obtained from a crown store type transaction. A one time chapter purchase is nothing more then a yearly update that all games do.

Now if you want to talk about ESO + and how DLC's and Chapters are treated, that is another discussion.

joaaocaampos

Spellcrafting and Psijic Order skill line = PAY TO PLAY.

P2W is: Crown Store selling non-cosmetic items (Tempering Aloy, Dreugh Wax, Rosin, Dungeon/Trial Gear etc).

No matter how overpower the Spellcrafting/Psijic Order skill line will be, it will never be P2W.

PlagueSD

Asardes wrote: »

Yep, just like Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood were clearly P2W.

This...I'm thinking the new skill line will be more utility than anything.

[sarcasm]
Thieves' Guild - allows looting of Hidden Caches. Must be P2W.
Dark Brotherhood - Able to assassinate humanoid NPC's. Must be P2W.
[/sarcasm]

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Okay, has anyone confirmed yet that a Psijic Order skill line is coming or not?

Y'all do NOT need to be playing with my emotions that way.

JamilaRaj

Knowledge wrote: »

How will the community react to this?

It will race to buy the P2W skill line and get most out of it before it becomes widespread. It can rationalize why P2W is not P2W afterwards.

JD2013

By this logic, any MMO or game that has added new skills is P2W.

SydneyGrey

Win what? It's not like players are rewarded with a million real-life dollars/euros if they get to the top of the leaderboards. What exactly do they "win"?

Knowledge

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Win what? It's not like players are rewarded with a million real-life dollars/euros if they get to the top of the leaderboards. What exactly do they "win"?

Well, what if it gives you access to abilities like Soul magic or Vampirism does.

AlienatedGoat

Knowledge wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Win what? It's not like players are rewarded with a million real-life dollars/euros if they get to the top of the leaderboards. What exactly do they "win"?

Well, what if it gives you access to abilities like Soul magic or Vampirism does.

It'll be no different than the Warden class. Or the Imperial race.

Expansions and DLCs are expected to expand on the game, either with new classes, abilities, zones, items, whatever. You are expected to pay for that. Just because it isn't free doesn't make it pay-to-win.

It's just pay-to-play. Otherwise known as buying. That's the business model - you buy expansions, and DLCs (or sub), if you want to play the most current build of the game.

Honestly and seriously - stop making these needlessly semi-controversial threads for shock value. It's getting old. If you've got quality ideas, post those. Stop rehashing this same old ***.

Banana

More features sometimes means more money

Panomania

How DARE ZoS try to make a profit! Everyone at that company needs to take a vow of poverty, get rid of their children's toys and make them play with squirrels! They dont need a house, appliance boxes are nice and toasty in Maryland in January! QUIT TRYING TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF MY HOBBY AND JUST GIMME FOR FREE!

Capitalist bastiches!

Sorry, I cant pull that off. It sounds just as silly when I type it as when you all do.

Sinolai

Creating more content for the game is not pay to win.
Selling superior weapons and armor with no match in cash shop is.

AzraelKrieg

Knowledge wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Considering OP is asking us to assume something then assume something else to come up with essentially an assumption I think this thread will be an entertaining exploration of players imaginations yet still pointless unroll all his assumptions are reality, or not.

Listen, I am trying to provide interesting and quality content to the community for valid and realistic discussion.

You are failing miserably at doing that.

SilverIce58

Knowledge wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Win what? It's not like players are rewarded with a million real-life dollars/euros if they get to the top of the leaderboards. What exactly do they "win"?

Well, what if it gives you access to abilities like Soul magic or Vampirism does.

Soul Magic gives you one ability that nobody uses and an ult that some people use but only in pvp. Vampirism, people only have it for the passives and mist form, some people use the ult, some people use the drain, but majority of people don't use either. Also, neither of those skill lines are ones that you paid for. You bought the game, which gives you soul magic. Vampirism can be bought from the crown store, but most people get it for free from other players. Both of these have been in the game since launch, so neither are what you think is the definition of P2W skill lines.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Well it depends... If it adds healing skills then it's not P2W, but if they are deepz then it is P2W obviously! LOL jk

LadyNalcarya

I doubt that Psijic skill line will have an "I win" skill.
Paying for content is not pay to win.

Knowledge

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Win what? It's not like players are rewarded with a million real-life dollars/euros if they get to the top of the leaderboards. What exactly do they "win"?

Well, what if it gives you access to abilities like Soul magic or Vampirism does.

Soul Magic gives you one ability that nobody uses and an ult that some people use but only in pvp. Vampirism, people only have it for the passives and mist form, some people use the ult, some people use the drain, but majority of people don't use either. Also, neither of those skill lines are ones that you paid for. You bought the game, which gives you soul magic. Vampirism can be bought from the crown store, but most people get it for free from other players. Both of these have been in the game since launch, so neither are what you think is the definition of P2W skill lines.

Vampire also gives you an extra 10% passive regen for stam and magicka.

Masel

Chapter isn't out yet and the whiners go again. Close these threads, useless waste of Internet traffic, even with a Flatrate it isn't worth the cost

SilverIce58

Knowledge wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Win what? It's not like players are rewarded with a million real-life dollars/euros if they get to the top of the leaderboards. What exactly do they "win"?

Well, what if it gives you access to abilities like Soul magic or Vampirism does.

Soul Magic gives you one ability that nobody uses and an ult that some people use but only in pvp. Vampirism, people only have it for the passives and mist form, some people use the ult, some people use the drain, but majority of people don't use either. Also, neither of those skill lines are ones that you paid for. You bought the game, which gives you soul magic. Vampirism can be bought from the crown store, but most people get it for free from other players. Both of these have been in the game since launch, so neither are what you think is the definition of P2W skill lines.

Vampire also gives you an extra 10% passive regen for stam and magicka.

What's your point? I said people use vampirism for the passives and for mist form.

Enslaved

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Win what? It's not like players are rewarded with a million real-life dollars/euros if they get to the top of the leaderboards. What exactly do they "win"?

Well, what if it gives you access to abilities like Soul magic or Vampirism does.

Soul Magic gives you one ability that nobody uses and an ult that some people use but only in pvp. Vampirism, people only have it for the passives and mist form, some people use the ult, some people use the drain, but majority of people don't use either. Also, neither of those skill lines are ones that you paid for. You bought the game, which gives you soul magic. Vampirism can be bought from the crown store, but most people get it for free from other players. Both of these have been in the game since launch, so neither are what you think is the definition of P2W skill lines.

Vampire also gives you an extra 10% passive regen for stam and magicka.

What's your point? I said people use vampirism for the passives and for mist form.

Is this what passive agression looks like