How would you like to see Zaan nerfed?

Datthaw

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

ak_pvp wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

Pretty sure those 22k dmg are after battle spirit, and the dmg can go even higher (i got hit by 23k dmg from 3 ticks, so total dmg would have been way over 30k).

The range isn't that short and getting out of range isn't always possible. The cooldown is barely relevant in PvP, if it just kills the target anyway.

It is simply ridiculous in PvP.

amir412 wrote: »

Bruh, get out of here
@Datthaw

I assume the guy who posted this pic is very squishy, but still, u can tell that it is possible to do 22k dmg on heavy armor, well built around resists.

I've used zaan there is no way it did that much damage. Not to mention there is an 8 next to it which means that's two procs of it. Probably totally unblocked low resist set up photo

I've done the math 45,365 is the absolute most zaan can proc for based on paper stats, no mitigation taken into account. That is half in cyro at 22,682, with no mitigation. That damage is once every 18 seconds which when you think about it is only 1,260 damage a second.

So I call total bull on that picture. The set is a gimmick, yall need to stop crying and learn to play

Maybe you should read some posts in topic before posting. When you combine Zaan and Elf Bane set (which adds 2s to Zaans effect) you get numbers like that... Check again mate

Which still makes it a 7 second proc not 8 how about you read. And at that point you're sacrificing a 2pc monster and a 5pc set to fight around a proc... now tell me how the hell is that NOT a gimmick

7s proc incl 1 start tick. 8 ticks all together. Base does 6.

I didnt think that was the case. Maybe I missed 1st proc because with light attack damage and glyph numbers also. I'll test it again tonight

Vermintide

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

Set is fine- 62%

BTFO nerf shills.

idk

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

It appears it doesn’t need to be nerfed. Interesting how the poll demonstrates that as best as it can. Over 60% fell that way to less than 30% feel it should be nerfed.

kojou

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

The beam is not hard to heal through if you or your healer are not a potato.

I was helping someone do some testing on it with some duels and while it was strong it was not particularly any more OP than some other options that are available.

Maybe they could make Grothdar 10m as a counter.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

LMAO, the "General Consensus" and your poll results seem to be at odds with one another.

I ran this set for a solid week in cyro. I finally dropped it. It's just not that great of an open world set, and people are on to it. Other than murdering pugs that just stand there, I dont see a lot of practical open world applications. Good players know how to counter it. Cutting the range would take this set from situational to useless. If anything, they should increase the range to make it useful for PVE, because in PVP, this is a fad set, nothing more.

Sixty5

Reduce the tether range

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

LMAO, the "General Consensus" and your poll results seem to be at odds with one another.

I ran this set for a solid week in cyro. I finally dropped it. It's just not that great of an open world set, and people are on to it. Other than murdering pugs that just stand there, I dont see a lot of practical open world applications. Good players know how to counter it. Cutting the range would take this set from situational to useless. If anything, they should increase the range to make it useful for PVE, because in PVP, this is a fad set, nothing more.

I'll point out that I said "it seems like the general consensus", emphasis on the seems part.

Meaning that from what I've seen here and ingame, people wanted the set nerfed.

But this poll shows that it's a vocal minority that actually think it needs changing.

What would be more interesting is seeing a numbers breakdown for votes along with who actually has the set.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

Sixty5 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

LMAO, the "General Consensus" and your poll results seem to be at odds with one another.

I ran this set for a solid week in cyro. I finally dropped it. It's just not that great of an open world set, and people are on to it. Other than murdering pugs that just stand there, I dont see a lot of practical open world applications. Good players know how to counter it. Cutting the range would take this set from situational to useless. If anything, they should increase the range to make it useful for PVE, because in PVP, this is a fad set, nothing more.

I'll point out that I said "it seems like the general consensus", emphasis on the seems part.

Meaning that from what I've seen here and ingame, people wanted the set nerfed.

But this poll shows that it's a vocal minority that actually think it needs changing.

What would be more interesting is seeing a numbers breakdown for votes along with who actually has the set.

Dont get me wrong, I actually like looking at the Data too. I was going through some kill counter stats last night. I Farmed about a million AP wearing a combo of Caluurions and Zaan, the two new magic proc sets this patch. Now killing blows of course arent the most telling stat (especially on a magic sorc using mages wrath), but its one that I have actual data that can be measured. In that time frame, I had about 850 killing blows. 28 were caluurions and 5 were Zaan. I had way more from Flame Reach, My enchant, and Frags (obviously mages wrath was in first place by a mile).

Have I mentioned I stopped running Zaan? Haha. I know that there are better classes to exploit Zaan (mDK and mTemplar) and perhaps environments that it is more powerful than open world, but I just didnt find this set to be that gamebreaking. I altered my play-style, threw run cage on my bar, did everything I could to try and make this work, and it just simply wasnt the "I win" set that people are describing.

On the flip side, I think I have seen this set on my death recap maybe 3 times? Maybe? I haven't ever seen it be the KB against me.

Goshua

pvp wise I have only seen it the once (which may not qualify an opinion) and its was no more obnoxious than SA or RD or any of the other handful of OP? shiznic's out there.

Kalante

^ l2p

Own

Other, please specify

I don't know if it's just me but.. I can't see the tether unless I am the one using it. When an enemy uses it against me, I can only see a burning effect on me. It's really kind of messed up

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Derra

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

i think it´s only overperforming in nonCP - but all proccsets are so i don´t see a reason to change it.

Waffennacht

Releasing a Zaan video today

josiahva

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

You know OP...there is champion point skill that directly helps out with Zaan and similar abilities...reduce DOT damage by x%. Do you have CP in that skill? If not, then maybe its YOUR build that needs some buffing and not Zaan that needs nerfing.

Abysswarrior45

Other, please specify

idk wrote: »

It appears it doesn’t need to be nerfed. Interesting how the poll demonstrates that as best as it can. Over 60% fell that way to less than 30% feel it should be nerfed.

K, then bring back stamina proc sets. Velidreth should be instant, same for selene, tremor scale and the like. If Skoria doesn't get a big red circle AOE that you can move out of and Zaan isn't bashable then other procs need to have the same limited counterplay. NO YOU CANNOT ESCAPE A 10M DISTANCE AGAINST SOMEONE WHO CAN CLOSE DISTANCE!!! Not even class can effectively use purge either.

Sixty5

Reduce the tether range

Waffennacht wrote: »

Releasing a Zaan video today

Oh goody.

I still need to edit the footage from a bunch of duels down.
Did 6 or so with a magblade buddy with Zaan. We went 50/50, and only one of those losses were Zaan doing awful things to me.

josiahva

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

It appears it doesn’t need to be nerfed. Interesting how the poll demonstrates that as best as it can. Over 60% fell that way to less than 30% feel it should be nerfed.

K, then bring back stamina proc sets. Velidreth should be instant, same for selene, tremor scale and the like. If Skoria doesn't get a big red circle AOE that you can move out of and Zaan isn't bashable then other procs need to have the same limited counterplay. NO YOU CANNOT ESCAPE A 10M DISTANCE AGAINST SOMEONE WHO CAN CLOSE DISTANCE!!! Not even class can effectively use purge either.

Are you unable to use mist form? Are you unable to run and roll dodge? Are you unable to block? Are you unable to heal? Are you unable to shield? Give me a break, learn to play. Also...purge IS available to every class and build and can be used at least once by anyone...so yes, every class CAN purge effectively.

Acrolas

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

But they should alter the pronunciation and give it a weapon set, because I need a Zaan Axe after reading this.

Waffennacht

Zaan gameplay examples!!

https://youtu.be/4OIS5TPVDLU

M3atwad

Ive used this set in my mag dk and it is hard for others to counter. The damage can get pretty insane once you factor in cp, dark elf passives, engulfing, off balance and elf bane. Just keep engulfing up and as soon as it procs hit fossilize then lash, they will die.

Aesthier

Other, please specify

I think anyone typing the set name from here on out should be nerfed.

Abysswarrior45

Other, please specify

josiahva wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

It appears it doesn’t need to be nerfed. Interesting how the poll demonstrates that as best as it can. Over 60% fell that way to less than 30% feel it should be nerfed.

K, then bring back stamina proc sets. Velidreth should be instant, same for selene, tremor scale and the like. If Skoria doesn't get a big red circle AOE that you can move out of and Zaan isn't bashable then other procs need to have the same limited counterplay. NO YOU CANNOT ESCAPE A 10M DISTANCE AGAINST SOMEONE WHO CAN CLOSE DISTANCE!!! Not even class can effectively use purge either.

Are you unable to use mist form? Are you unable to run and roll dodge? Are you unable to block? Are you unable to heal? Are you unable to shield? Give me a break, learn to play. Also...purge IS available to every class and build and can be used at least once by anyone...so yes, every class CAN purge effectively.

Go Pvp effectively on a medium stam dk with purge on your bar. Find someone with Zaan who hits like a truck on top of the proc set and try and heal through the damage. Try and roll dodge/run away from a Zaan user who can gap close/run towards you preventing any sort of escape. Better yet, try and read exactly what I said to the letter you illiterate moron who probably crutches on Zaan.

Edziu

Other, please specify

Waffennacht wrote: »

Zaan gameplay examples!!

https://youtu.be/4OIS5TPVDLU

wow, just at 3:25 when it proc its easy to see how stamplar just try to spam purify with heals and this didnt helped to purge zaan, just gg

Morgul667

Increase the length of the proc, but keep overall damage the same

Acrolas wrote: »

But they should alter the pronunciation and give it a weapon set, because I need a Zaan Axe after reading this.

lol

Silver_Strider

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

Tried it, awful set.

Unless I can keep the person completely locked down while the damage goes off fully (AKA, only scrubs) this set is absolute garbage. In PvP, no one stands still for a second, let alone 5 seconds to watch Zaan do it's full duration. Maybe when it's a random player behind a zerg and the zerg is constantly keeping you locked down, you'll get killed by Zaan but you're just a likely to die to Skoria, Grothdar, Selene, or any of the other monsters sets as well in that situation.

It's even worse in PvE as so many fights require movement to avoid mechanics and attacks that you'll be lucky to even get the stupid set to do even half the damage of the other monsters sets, especially since most other sets provide AoE damage vs Zaan's single target damage.

Set is trash and doesn't need a nerf.

Stahlor

just make it interruptible...then you could also stop it while beeing negated.

ArchMikem

The set is fine and does not need a nerf

Sixty5 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

LMAO, the "General Consensus" and your poll results seem to be at odds with one another.

I ran this set for a solid week in cyro. I finally dropped it. It's just not that great of an open world set, and people are on to it. Other than murdering pugs that just stand there, I dont see a lot of practical open world applications. Good players know how to counter it. Cutting the range would take this set from situational to useless. If anything, they should increase the range to make it useful for PVE, because in PVP, this is a fad set, nothing more.

I'll point out that I said "it seems like the general consensus", emphasis on the seems part.

Meaning that from what I've seen here and ingame, people wanted the set nerfed.

But this poll shows that it's a vocal minority that actually think it needs changing.

What would be more interesting is seeing a numbers breakdown for votes along with who actually has the set.

I actually have the set. It needs to be buffed, either with increasing its range or decreasing its cooldown and then leaving it the hell alone afterward.

Azurya

extinct it from the game!
NO NERFS, it must be brought forth, cauze it is killing invincible duellist around Tamriel!

FORTH with ZAAN, no place in ESO for that!!

Amoureros

Reduce the total damage of the proc (nerf base damage)

Stam dk suffers great deal from zaan. They don't have cheap way to counter zaan but only expensive way.