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XP Exploit Poll
If a player is already max cp and all skills are leveled is it still considered a exploit?
I'm talking right now today. Not what might happen in the future when cp is increased.
If yes then how is it different from running through lava to bypass mobs and bosses in a dungeon?
Edited by Lucifers_Pain on February 22, 2018 8:21PM I'm talking right now today. Not what might happen in the future when cp is increased.
If yes then how is it different from running through lava to bypass mobs and bosses in a dungeon?
XP Exploit Poll 301 votes
Yes
79%
240 votes
No
20%
61 votes
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redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's an exploit because the definition of exploiting stated by ZOS says it is. Any given player may decide that something is or isn't an exploit according to them, but at the end of the day, that doesn't determine who receives action against their account.7 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lucifers_Pain wrote: »If yes then how is it different from running through lava to bypass mobs and bosses in a dungeon?
Your doing something that reduces the amount of Exp and Loot you get in a Dungeon by bypassing mobs and bosses. So, how is that even remotely considered an exploit?
Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes an exploit is an exploit maybe they shouldn't be banned since its oviously ZOS fault on this one but definitely reset there CP to were it was pre exploitXbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.3 -
Castiel_Boomer✭✭✭I would still consider it an exploit based upon the knowledge that they WILL increase the CP, so eventually you WILL benefit from your ill gained EXP. HOWEVER, with that being said, I believe it is completely ignorant to punish people in the fashion that ZOS chose. People that did it intentionally are one thing, but the people that didn't mean to exploit, and by those I am referring to people that run IC and the sewers DAILY, should NOT have been bundled in with those that took obvious advantage of the exploit. This is a grey area, sure, but if you received 1000 CP, or some other crazy number, then I would imagine they deserve a ban/time off. The people that reported it, or left soon after discovering it (i.e. only gained 40 or so CP extra) should be excluded from this ban. I was SHOCKED by the way in which ZOS handled this situation (and for the record, it has nothing to do directly with me). But to outright BAN people for YOUR OWN MISTAKES seems a bit ignorant at best. I mean, these are the very same people that PAY YOUR PAYCHECK! And this is how you treat them when it was YOUR OWN FAULT? Im bummed. All they NEEDED to do was roll back the accounts in question. end of story.Edited by Castiel_Boomer on February 22, 2018 8:31PM"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace" -Jimi Hendrix8 -
Castiel_Boomer wrote: »I would still consider it an exploit based upon the knowledge that they WILL increase the CP, so eventually you WILL benefit from your ill gained EXP. HOWEVER, with that being said, I believe it is completely ignorant to punish people in the fashion that ZOS chose. People that did it intentionally are one thing, but the people that didn't mean to exploit, and by those I am referring to people that run IC and the sewers DAILY, should NOT have been bundled in with those that took obvious advantage of the exploit. This is a grey area, sure, but if you received 1000 CP, or some other crazy number, then I would imagine they deserve a ban/time off. The people that reported it, or left soon after discovering it (i.e. only gained 40 or so CP extra) should be excluded from this ban. I was SHOCKED by the way in which ZOS handled this situation (and for the record, it has nothing to do directly with me). But to outright BAN people for YOUR OWN MISTAKES seems a bit ignorant at best. I mean, these are the very same people that PAY YOUR PAYCHECK! And this is how you treat them when it was YOUR OWN FAULT? Im bummed. All they NEEDED to do was roll back the accounts in question. end of story.
This is a valid point but I could just as easily say I WILL always stay above cap. Currently I still don't understand what was gained by gaining XP on a max toon with max skills.2 -
Lucifers_Pain wrote: »If yes then how is it different from running through lava to bypass mobs and bosses in a dungeon?
Your doing something that reduces the amount of Exp and Loot you get in a Dungeon by bypassing mobs and bosses. So, how is that even remotely considered an exploit?
Some people skip bosses to get to the end boss because it drops gear that they need.0 -
Inarre✭✭✭✭✭
✭Exploiting is still exploiting whether or not it benefits the one exploiting.
If I stole something from a store that I didn't need, It would still be against the law.
Running through lava in a dungeon does not explicitly further your progression, nor does it necessarily prove intention, whereas, say, repeating the same dungeon to get specific rewards that were unintended would be more apt to be called an exploit because the intention is clear through the repetition, and the motive is clear because of the reward. Running through lava has no reward and I can't see a situation where you would run through it repeatedly to achieve something.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lucifers_Pain wrote: »Some people skip bosses to get to the end boss because it drops gear that they need.
Still not an exploit.
Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's a bit of a gray area imo. On one hand no you are technically not getting more powerful since it's all based on the CP cap being raised each DLC but on the other hand they are still exploiting and won't have to worry about leveling back up to the cap anymore. They also agreed to the terms which states they will be punished for exploits. Personally I don't care about this since its just a CP level but if ZOS starts picking and choosing what exploits are a bannable offense and what are not then that will just cause more chaos.0 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If they're already max level/CP why are they bothering to take advantage (exploiting) of an XP bug? That doesn't even make sense.
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Exploiting is still exploiting whether or not it benefits the one exploiting.
If I stole something from a store that I didn't need, It would still be against the law.
Running through lava in a dungeon does not explicitly further your progression, nor does it necessarily prove intention, whereas, say, repeating the same dungeon to get specific rewards that were unintended would be more apt to be called an exploit because the intention is clear through the repetition, and the motive is clear because of the reward. Running through lava has no reward and I can't see a situation where you would run through it repeatedly to achieve something.
City of Ash II has a few spots that you can "skip" and its clearly not intended and is a benefit if your just trying to get the monster helm.1 -
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ol_BANK_lo✭✭✭✭✭Lucifers_Pain wrote: »If yes then how is it different from running through lava to bypass mobs and bosses in a dungeon?
Your doing something that reduces the amount of Exp and Loot you get in a Dungeon by bypassing mobs and bosses. So, how is that even remotely considered an exploit?
If it helps you get a speed run achievement, it would be an exploit.0 -
DDemon✭✭✭✭Lucifers_Pain wrote: »Exploiting is still exploiting whether or not it benefits the one exploiting.
If I stole something from a store that I didn't need, It would still be against the law.
Running through lava in a dungeon does not explicitly further your progression, nor does it necessarily prove intention, whereas, say, repeating the same dungeon to get specific rewards that were unintended would be more apt to be called an exploit because the intention is clear through the repetition, and the motive is clear because of the reward. Running through lava has no reward and I can't see a situation where you would run through it repeatedly to achieve something.
City of Ash II has a few spots that you can "skip" and its clearly not intended and is a benefit if your just trying to get the monster helm.
That's kinda like telling a nightblade he's exploiting if he uses cloak to get past the same NPC's. Not even limited to nightblades, some dungeons allow you to sneak past mobs to simply skip them, would that also be an exploit then?
I think people need to tone down this whole 'exploit' hunt, as it's getting ridiculous.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »Lucifers_Pain wrote: »If yes then how is it different from running through lava to bypass mobs and bosses in a dungeon?
Your doing something that reduces the amount of Exp and Loot you get in a Dungeon by bypassing mobs and bosses. So, how is that even remotely considered an exploit?
If it helps you get a speed run achievement, it would be an exploit.
Where do you draw the line? Skipping a few mobs by swimming in lava is bad. Taking a corner tight so you skip a few mobs on the other side of the room? Yes/No? What if I aggro those mobs but choose not to fight them and keep running? Exploit? Who decides?1 -
Castiel_Boomer✭✭✭If they're already max level/CP why are they bothering to take advantage (exploiting) of an XP bug? That doesn't even make sense.
Because eventually the CP will increase, and thus your ill gained EXP would then be relevant. It's like getting money in your bank account because the bank screwed up. You DO NOT get to keep that money, and in fact if you spent it you would be liable for it."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace" -Jimi Hendrix5 -
Gothren✭✭✭✭✭yes because you signed and agreed to the TOS. if someone doesn't like them then don't play. its that simple.1 -
[Snip] I even think intentionally adding cp on a maxed cp character due to a bug is an exploit. And I can't play until march.
[Edited to remove profanity]Edited by ZOS_KatP on February 23, 2018 8:22PM@Ashyam
@jordanmarx_ESO
CP 830
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Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭You compare an exploit to running through lava on a high level toon ?redspecter23 wrote: »BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »Lucifers_Pain wrote: »If yes then how is it different from running through lava to bypass mobs and bosses in a dungeon?
Your doing something that reduces the amount of Exp and Loot you get in a Dungeon by bypassing mobs and bosses. So, how is that even remotely considered an exploit?
If it helps you get a speed run achievement, it would be an exploit.
Where do you draw the line? Skipping a few mobs by swimming in lava is bad. Taking a corner tight so you skip a few mobs on the other side of the room? Yes/No? What if I aggro those mobs but choose not to fight them and keep running? Exploit? Who decides?
There is a clear definition of a software exploits so no one needs to "draw a line".
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yes because you signed and agreed to the TOS. if someone doesn't like them then don't play. its that simple.
You yourself has no doubt broke the agreement and still played. For example when group finder was broke it was a clearly a bug but i'm guessing you still played. You gained nothing and you couldn't avoid it just like a max level toon gaining xp.2 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »You compare an exploit to running through lava on a high level toon ?redspecter23 wrote: »BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »Lucifers_Pain wrote: »If yes then how is it different from running through lava to bypass mobs and bosses in a dungeon?
Your doing something that reduces the amount of Exp and Loot you get in a Dungeon by bypassing mobs and bosses. So, how is that even remotely considered an exploit?
If it helps you get a speed run achievement, it would be an exploit.
Where do you draw the line? Skipping a few mobs by swimming in lava is bad. Taking a corner tight so you skip a few mobs on the other side of the room? Yes/No? What if I aggro those mobs but choose not to fight them and keep running? Exploit? Who decides?
There is a clear definition of a software exploits so no one needs to "draw a line".
I don't think running through lava is an exploit myself, but the person I was responding to did so that is where I was coming from. Also the conversation is covering both what ZOS tells us is an exploit and what players believe are exploits, and the two don't necessarily line up.Edited by redspecter23 on February 22, 2018 9:01PM2 -
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✭✭It's an exploit solely because ZOS said it is. And I'd wager that they decided upon that based on the overall deviance from the norm. Skipping 30 or so mobs at the cost of potential gear to get guaranteed gear only marginally faster is not adding more to the player too quickly. Getting 1000x the exp from a single mob is.
ZOS said they were going through this on a case by case basis. Which means the reason for the bans are based on the players intent. If they were unknowingly gathering xp, then they would be exempt. If the player was intentionally trying to see how much xp they could accrue from these mobs at that time, they would get punished.5 -
The question isn't whether they were max level, that everyone is debating, from a general sense. The question at issue is whether or not the failure to notice, or taking time to leave the zone, or taking time to trouble shoot, and thus gaining cp unintentionally is an exploit.@Ashyam
@jordanmarx_ESO
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Vianus Tharn Stamblade PVE
Swims With Sithis Magplar Solo PVP
Traya Hlaalu Magblade PVE
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monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭Like I said..they are rarely concerned about bugs ruining our gameplay. The xp thing is a bug not an exploit0
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✭monktoasty wrote: »Like I said..they are rarely concerned about bugs ruining our gameplay. The xp thing is a bug not an exploit
An exploit is using a software bug to gain unfair advantage.
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Gothren✭✭✭✭✭Lucifers_Pain wrote: »yes because you signed and agreed to the TOS. if someone doesn't like them then don't play. its that simple.
You yourself has no doubt broke the agreement and still played. For example when group finder was broke it was a clearly a bug but i'm guessing you still played. You gained nothing and you couldn't avoid it just like a max level toon gaining xp.
its pretty cringy how you are trying to rationalize this. every business has a right to terminate you as a customer and/or employee for breeching something you signed. if you got temp banned then your best bet is to contact ZOS and kiss their arses if you really want to get back in game as soon as possible.6
