WHY WONT MIATS ADDON DIE?
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DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
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It is known that 'good players' don't need any ui whatsoever:)
The state of pvp, referenced above, has nothing to do with any addons.
The state of pvp includes:
- abysmal client (fps) and server (latency) performance;
- lack of solo objectives and overemphasis on large groups (zergs) pvp;
- lack of development of cyrodiil;
- overabundance of old and newly introduced glitches;
Addons can't do anything with the above.
Notifications helped with the lack of proper telegraphs and glitches in the existing ones.
Removal of notifications will just make those issues more clear (and put huge emphasis on stealth yet again).
I have stopped playing the game months before the latest major patch for the reasons above.
With the patch i logged back in to make sure my addons work for people who still play.
But if you insist on giving so much praise to my addon that without a small part of it people suddenly drastically lose their pvp effectiveness - i can only thank you for thinking so highly about my ui development skills
Miat's add-on is also good as Troll Guard for PvE players in Cyrodiil.0 -
Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭
It is known that 'good players' don't need any ui whatsoever:)
The state of pvp, referenced above, has nothing to do with any addons.
The state of pvp includes:
- abysmal client (fps) and server (latency) performance;
- lack of solo objectives and overemphasis on large groups (zergs) pvp;
- lack of development of cyrodiil;
- overabundance of old and newly introduced glitches;
Addons can't do anything with the above.
Notifications helped with the lack of proper telegraphs and glitches in the existing ones.
Removal of notifications will just make those issues more clear (and put huge emphasis on stealth yet again).
I have stopped playing the game months before the latest major patch for the reasons above.
With the patch i logged back in to make sure my addons work for people who still play.
But if you insist on giving so much praise to my addon that without a small part of it people suddenly drastically lose their pvp effectiveness - i can only thank you for thinking so highly about my ui development skills
THIS! I almost feel like quoting it several more times. Stealth was never well thought out in this game. It's been broken from the very beginning of the game. The only reason that NBs weren't the dominant class in Cyrodiil from the beginning was that so many core NB skills were broken for the first 6 months of the game.Edited by Talcyndl on February 25, 2018 4:08PMTal'gro Bol
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Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »yeah your really good at making addons. TOO GOOD.
Per the bolded note at the top of the addons ESOUI page:
"As far as i know from a very limited testing the notifications features don't work, due to changes on ZOS end.
I have no idea if that can be circumvented, nor i have any desire to investigate.
The rest of the features work fine."
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1545-MiatsPVPAlerts.html
The addon no longer warns of incoming stealth attacks.Tal'gro Bol
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Alite✭✭✭Jokes on all you scrubs, my friend actually found a fix for it and only shared it with people he's close to, so we all still have access to it while most people don't.
Talk about an unfair advantage right? You guys will be begging miat to fix his add on when most pvpers get their hands on the fix and the *** ad snipers are left in the dark lol2 -
BroanBeast1215✭✭✭Jokes on all you scrubs, my friend actually found a fix for it and only shared it with people he's close to, so we all still have access to it while most people don't.
Talk about an unfair advantage right? You guys will be begging miat to fix his add on when most pvpers get their hands on the fix and the *** ad snipers are left in the dark lol
its just a game, why you heff to be mad?5 -
Prince_of_all_Pugs✭✭✭✭✭Jokes on all you scrubs, my friend actually found a fix for it and only shared it with people he's close to, so we all still have access to it while most people don't.
Talk about an unfair advantage right? You guys will be begging miat to fix his add on when most pvpers get their hands on the fix and the *** ad snipers are left in the dark lol
how is this not ban-able?
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Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭Tal'gro Bol
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Elong✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Jokes on all you scrubs, my friend actually found a fix for it and only shared it with people he's close to, so we all still have access to it while most people don't.
Talk about an unfair advantage right? You guys will be begging miat to fix his add on when most pvpers get their hands on the fix and the *** ad snipers are left in the dark lol
Thing is, this is most likely true, and/or there's other addons out there that aren't made public. Just cos it isn't on ESOUI doesn't mean it isn't there.1 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »
how is this not ban-able?
Remember what Denzel Washington said in "Training Day"?
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Thing is, this is most likely true, and/or there's other addons out there that aren't made public. Just cos it isn't on ESOUI doesn't mean it isn't there.
*fastens tinfoil hat* oh really?1 -
Ixtyr✭✭✭✭✭Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »
how is this not ban-able?
Because the API allows for open-source and free use of privately or publicly developed add-ons. It always has been and always will be. That's the point. I have close to a dozen private add-ons I've developed or my friends have developed that I use to make management of my trade guilds more automated or streamlined. Those mods are so ridiculously custom in some cases they'd literally be useless to anyone else who doesn't also have a database structured the way I do to house the data I'm housing. And others give me a competitive advantage when it comes to recruitment - players can see the nifty systems we've built and if they like it, they join and want to stay because they like how we manage things and the work they can plainly see we put into it.
The exact same *** happens with combat add-ons, it always has. This is the *** that none of the fuckwits on the forums and Zone chat who mindlessly bash Miat don't understand. As cancerous as mods like this are when they actually have an impact on combat, until someone publishes one or otherwise shares it with ZOS, they can't fix the underlying holes in the API or the game at large that cause this *** to be possible.
Oh, and for the record - without a single mod active, I'd still put my money on Miat in a 1v1 against basically any player in the game. He is good.Ixtyr Falavir - Bosmer Nightblade - Daggerfall Covenant
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A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭Jokes on all you scrubs, my friend actually found a fix for it and only shared it with people he's close to, so we all still have access to it while most people don't.
Talk about an unfair advantage right? You guys will be begging miat to fix his add on when most pvpers get their hands on the fix and the *** ad snipers are left in the dark lol
Omg bruh I found and edited the add on as well. I have CS degree so it didn’t take me long to figure out a work around *hint queue combat music,etc*Edited by A_G_G_R_O on February 27, 2018 7:32PM2 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
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Omg bruh I found and edited the add on as well. I have CS degree so it didn’t take me long to figure out a work around *hint que combat music,etc*
Why do you folks want to break the game?
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✭✭BroanBeast1215 wrote: »
*fastens tinfoil hat* oh really?
It's not a tin foil hat scenario, it's a fact, there's addons out there that aren't public, whether they exploit the game is another matter, but it's possible.2 -
Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭It's not a tin foil hat scenario, it's a fact, there's addons out there that aren't public, whether they exploit the game is another matter, but it's possible.
And this was the case prior to Miats being released publicly.
Tal'gro Bol
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Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭If they are able to use sound cues then they are probably still out there. Unless those sound cues from abilities are also a combat event it could be a work around. Geez I hope not.Edited by Ranger209 on February 28, 2018 6:54PM0 -
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You can't personalize it. Humans, by nature, look for holes in fences. It WILL happen. Software developers are negligent if they don't anticipate and attempt to mitigate it.
The problem here is that ZOS built an online game without properly considering security. We have seen this in multiple areas:
- the client is trusted, insecure, and vulnerable to memory hacking and automation tools (far beyond typical macros)
- the netcode also has problems and has been shown to be vulnerable to latency exploits (lag switch, etc)
- the API probably has dozens of side channels available to mimic the contentious functions of Miat's addon and worse
- there is an ongoing bot issue
- at launch the game didn't even have mail spam detection
Software has to be built with security in mind from the start. I think ZOS put it in the 'we'll worry about it later' bucket. Now they don't want to fix the problems because they're too big and will require too much work. (and therefore $$$)
The API thing doesn't bother me very much because the lack of client security dwarfs it in significance. It's what enables the worst kinds of cheats in online gaming -- to which ESO is vulnerable.Edited by zyk on February 28, 2018 10:03PM5 -
Alite✭✭✭It doesn't feel like anyone is catching on to the new addon, tbh I expected it to spread like wild fire.
Regardless, it's nice being able to dodge the snipes from stealth and having people be so confused about how I did it. Hopefully it stays this way, miat's addon dying might be the best thing that could have happened to those types of combat addons.0 -
Thunderknuckles✭✭✭✭Jokes on all you scrubs, my friend actually found a fix for it and only shared it with people he's close to, so we all still have access to it while most people don't.
Talk about an unfair advantage right? You guys will be begging miat to fix his add on when most pvpers get their hands on the fix and the *** ad snipers are left in the dark lol
Pardon me, sincerely, if I'm misunderstanding you. Are you calling people who don't use an addon that lets you know where ALL enemies are within a certain proximity to the addon user, even if they're in stealth, "scrubs"?2 -
Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭Thunderknuckles wrote: »Pardon me, sincerely, if I'm misunderstanding you. Are you calling people who don't use an addon that lets you know where ALL enemies are within a certain proximity to the addon user, even if they're in stealth, "scrubs"?
Miats never "Let you know where all the enemies" were. It simply warned of incoming stealth attacks. It didn't let you actively hunt stealthed enemies, just take action to minimize incoming damage.
Tal'gro Bol
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Miats never "Let you know where all the enemies" were. It simply warned of incoming stealth attacks. It didn't let you actively hunt stealthed enemies, just take action to minimize incoming damage.
So I was hearing fake news? ha ha I never used it. Still, you have to admit, being alerted to incoming attacks, even stealth attacks, is a bit too "psychic" for PvP. In PvE it seems like it would be fine, but when it comes to player vs. player competition it's rather a cheat.1 -
Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭Thunderknuckles wrote: »
So I was hearing fake news? ha ha I never used it. Still, you have to admit, being alerted to incoming attacks, even stealth attacks, is a bit too "psychic" for PvP. In PvE it seems like it would be fine, but when it comes to player vs. player competition it's rather a cheat.
It was very useful. But there was a LOT of misinformation about it. People basically compared it to CheatEngine.Tal'gro Bol
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✭✭✭✭✭Thunderknuckles wrote: »
So I was hearing fake news? ha ha I never used it. Still, you have to admit, being alerted to incoming attacks, even stealth attacks, is a bit too "psychic" for PvP. In PvE it seems like it would be fine, but when it comes to player vs. player competition it's rather a cheat.
At one time; it did tell you when people crouched nearby. ZOS tested and removed that part months or even over a year ago and left the rest. That’s why people feel the rest was OK. ZOS addressed it and saw what it could do; and left it. It might get a little more dubious as people try to work around what ZOS tried to eliminate.Edited by technohic on March 3, 2018 3:02PM0 -
Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭
At one time; it did tell you when people crouched nearby. ZOS tested and removed that part months or even over a year ago and left the rest. That’s why people feel the rest was OK. ZOS addressed it and saw what it could do; and left it. It might get a little more dubious as people try to work around what ZOS tried to eliminate.
Yeah, it gave you a number of players in the area for each faction. That part still works (last I checked) in BGs. It is actually useful to see team sizes.
But it never gave location or even direction of those players. It was also buggy from my experience - often counting dead players as in the area.Tal'gro Bol
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Alite✭✭✭Thunderknuckles wrote: »
Pardon me, sincerely, if I'm misunderstanding you. Are you calling people who don't use an addon that lets you know where ALL enemies are within a certain proximity to the addon user, even if they're in stealth, "scrubs"?
You might want to get your facts straight, it doesn't do that. And yeah, most people complaining about it are *** players that hide in stealth to get a snipe off because they're not skilled enough to get a kill any other way, so yes they are scrubs.
Either way I don't really need the fixed addon, but it's nice to have, I can just picture the bad players screaming "I THOUGHT ZOS FIXED IT HOW DID HE KNOW I WAS SNIPING HIM REEEEE"1 -
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You might want to get your facts straight, it doesn't do that. And yeah, most people complaining about it are *** players that hide in stealth to get a snipe off because they're not skilled enough to get a kill any other way, so yes they are scrubs.
Either way I don't really need the fixed addon, but it's nice to have, I can just picture the bad players screaming "I THOUGHT ZOS FIXED IT HOW DID HE KNOW I WAS SNIPING HIM REEEEE"
You might as well join the scrubs club if you need an addon to perform so flawlessly
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Omg bruh I found and edited the add on as well. I have CS degree so it didn’t take me long to figure out a work around *hint queue combat music,etc*
admitting to hacking the game...1
