New melee magblade meta? update, now 49k selfbuffed dps with dual wield no offbalance

ccfeeling

Hey Rag , I have a question with this build .
I don't have Master Architect atm , what set could be replaced or it's a major component of this build .
Thank you !

Raghul

ccfeeling wrote: »

Hey Rag , I have a question with this build .
I don't have Master Architect atm , what set could be replaced or it's a major component of this build .
Thank you !

You can swap it out for BSW

Raghul

Alcast wrote: »

new melee magblade target dummy meta*
Did you try a 6mio dummy? How does it compare to a normal setup on a 6 mio dummy?

nearly 45k on 6 mill dummie, tried 3 times, made some mistakes on parse to, could probably farm a higher parse but yeah now you have an idea

getemshauna

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

Raghul

gethemshauna wrote: »

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

Thx for testing it man, and yeah your crit rate was lower then mine, also zaan was bit lower, im sure you can reach 43k even with apprentice ^^

Maulkin

gethemshauna wrote: »

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

What. the actual. frak. with those pot numbers. Did you buy up the entire server?

Tarys

As i cant find a real description of the overall used stuff ..
1x sword with infused / dmg and 1x sword with nirn / fire? Or what combination is the best?
Armor all divine or are you actually using infused stuff? Any regeneration or cost reduce glyph or all on dmg?

Thanks a lot ^^

Masel

gethemshauna wrote: »

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

Which addon is the one that counts your assassin's will?

Qbiken

@Raghul Did you try the magplar setup on 6 million dummy?

Raghul

Qbiken wrote: »

@Raghul Did you try the magplar setup on 6 million dummy?

No not yet have you tried it perhaps?

Qbiken

Raghul wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

@Raghul Did you try the magplar setup on 6 million dummy?

No not yet have you tried it perhaps?

Fell asleep before I could manage to craft the last pieces yesterday ^^
But will craft the last Acuity pieces when I get home today and try it out

getemshauna

Masel92 wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

Which addon is the one that counts your assassin's will?

It's a Grim Focus Counter.

getemshauna

Maulkin wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

What. the actual. frak. with those pot numbers. Did you buy up the entire server?

Every single pot I crafted myself, was buying satchels for telvar points, there is lot of cornflowers inside :-)

Raghul

Tarys wrote: »

As i cant find a real description of the overall used stuff ..
1x sword with infused / dmg and 1x sword with nirn / fire? Or what combination is the best?
Armor all divine or are you actually using infused stuff? Any regeneration or cost reduce glyph or all on dmg?

Thanks a lot ^^

Dual swords aquity, mainhand nirn fire damage, offhand infused weapon damage, backbar infused shock damage,
3 rings master architect, 2 body master architect, 3 body aquity, 2 zaan. All divines, 5 light, 1 medium 1 heavy.
All weapon damage on jewelry, if you plan to use witchmother or clockworl city food, i would recommend 1 health glyph, if you go with blue food, you can go all max magicka

Maulkin

Raghul wrote: »

Tarys wrote: »

As i cant find a real description of the overall used stuff ..
1x sword with infused / dmg and 1x sword with nirn / fire? Or what combination is the best?
Armor all divine or are you actually using infused stuff? Any regeneration or cost reduce glyph or all on dmg?

Thanks a lot ^^

Dual swords aquity, mainhand nirn fire damage, offhand infused weapon damage, backbar infused shock damage,
3 rings master architect, 2 body master architect, 3 body aquity, 2 zaan. All divines, 5 light, 1 medium 1 heavy.
All weapon damage on jewelry, if you plan to use witchmother or clockworl city food, i would recommend 1 health glyph, if you go with blue food, you can go all max magicka

I have a question about off-hand enchant proc'ing. Bear with me...

The only time I'm concerned about DW enchants is when I'm playing my stamDK. But I obviously I very frequently heavy attack on the StamDK, especially since I'm wearing Sunder. Now, I know the DW heavy attack procs whichever enchant is not on CD and if neither are on CD, it randomly procs one of two. So you have max uptime on both enchants by basically heavy attacking couple of times on the front bar rotation. I also know that not all DW abilities will proc the off-hand enchant. It seems that only abilities that are visually using the off-hand blade (rapid strikes, rending slashes) have a chance to proc it, while flying blade and deadly cloak don't seem to.

So finally my question is, since you're only light attacking, do you see any problems proc'ing your offhand enchant? Or does it proc normally on every rotation? Because if it doesn't proc, then you might as well go double nirn and use poisons or something.

Danksta

gethemshauna wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

What. the actual. frak. with those pot numbers. Did you buy up the entire server?

Every single pot I crafted myself, was buying satchels for telvar points, there is lot of cornflowers inside :-)

Those satchels have the best RNG in the game!

Danksta

Maulkin wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

Tarys wrote: »

As i cant find a real description of the overall used stuff ..
1x sword with infused / dmg and 1x sword with nirn / fire? Or what combination is the best?
Armor all divine or are you actually using infused stuff? Any regeneration or cost reduce glyph or all on dmg?

Thanks a lot ^^

Dual swords aquity, mainhand nirn fire damage, offhand infused weapon damage, backbar infused shock damage,
3 rings master architect, 2 body master architect, 3 body aquity, 2 zaan. All divines, 5 light, 1 medium 1 heavy.
All weapon damage on jewelry, if you plan to use witchmother or clockworl city food, i would recommend 1 health glyph, if you go with blue food, you can go all max magicka

I have a question about off-hand enchant proc'ing. Bear with me...

The only time I'm concerned about DW enchants is when I'm playing my stamDK. But I obviously I very frequently heavy attack on the StamDK, especially since I'm wearing Sunder. Now, I know the DW heavy attack procs whichever enchant is not on CD and if neither are on CD, it randomly procs one of two. So your have max uptime on both enchants basically by heavy attacking couple of times on the front bar rotation. I also know that not all DW abilities will proc the off-hand enchant. It seems that only abilities that are visually using the off-hand blade (rapid strikes, rending slashes) have a chance to proc it, while flying blade and deadly cloak don't seem to.

So finally my question is, since you're only light attacking, do you see any problems proc'ing your offhand enchant? Or does it proc normally on every rotation? Because if it doesn't proc, then you might as well go double nirn and use poisons or something.

I was curious about this too, but it's on his 6mil dummy parse. Shows a 65% (!) uptime. But I'm confused it says his Major Prophecy has an uptime of only 66%. I must be reading that wrong... console noob!

getemshauna

Maulkin wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

Tarys wrote: »

As i cant find a real description of the overall used stuff ..
1x sword with infused / dmg and 1x sword with nirn / fire? Or what combination is the best?
Armor all divine or are you actually using infused stuff? Any regeneration or cost reduce glyph or all on dmg?

Thanks a lot ^^

Dual swords aquity, mainhand nirn fire damage, offhand infused weapon damage, backbar infused shock damage,
3 rings master architect, 2 body master architect, 3 body aquity, 2 zaan. All divines, 5 light, 1 medium 1 heavy.
All weapon damage on jewelry, if you plan to use witchmother or clockworl city food, i would recommend 1 health glyph, if you go with blue food, you can go all max magicka

I have a question about off-hand enchant proc'ing. Bear with me...

The only time I'm concerned about DW enchants is when I'm playing my stamDK. But I obviously I very frequently heavy attack on the StamDK, especially since I'm wearing Sunder. Now, I know the DW heavy attack procs whichever enchant is not on CD and if neither are on CD, it randomly procs one of two. So you have max uptime on both enchants by basically heavy attacking couple of times on the front bar rotation. I also know that not all DW abilities will proc the off-hand enchant. It seems that only abilities that are visually using the off-hand blade (rapid strikes, rending slashes) have a chance to proc it, while flying blade and deadly cloak don't seem to.

So finally my question is, since you're only light attacking, do you see any problems proc'ing your offhand enchant? Or does it proc normally on every rotation? Because if it doesn't proc, then you might as well go double nirn and use poisons or something.

I won't ever read whole comment, because I got ur point after first few words. DW light attack weave prioritizes main hand, yes. Main hand enchant has always a priority - but if that enchant already on cooldown, elemental blockade from backbar procs offhand's enchant instantly. Because it ticks every 1 sec you know why it's around 70% uptime.

Maulkin

gethemshauna wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

Tarys wrote: »

As i cant find a real description of the overall used stuff ..
1x sword with infused / dmg and 1x sword with nirn / fire? Or what combination is the best?
Armor all divine or are you actually using infused stuff? Any regeneration or cost reduce glyph or all on dmg?

Thanks a lot ^^

Dual swords aquity, mainhand nirn fire damage, offhand infused weapon damage, backbar infused shock damage,
3 rings master architect, 2 body master architect, 3 body aquity, 2 zaan. All divines, 5 light, 1 medium 1 heavy.
All weapon damage on jewelry, if you plan to use witchmother or clockworl city food, i would recommend 1 health glyph, if you go with blue food, you can go all max magicka

I have a question about off-hand enchant proc'ing. Bear with me...

The only time I'm concerned about DW enchants is when I'm playing my stamDK. But I obviously I very frequently heavy attack on the StamDK, especially since I'm wearing Sunder. Now, I know the DW heavy attack procs whichever enchant is not on CD and if neither are on CD, it randomly procs one of two. So you have max uptime on both enchants by basically heavy attacking couple of times on the front bar rotation. I also know that not all DW abilities will proc the off-hand enchant. It seems that only abilities that are visually using the off-hand blade (rapid strikes, rending slashes) have a chance to proc it, while flying blade and deadly cloak don't seem to.

So finally my question is, since you're only light attacking, do you see any problems proc'ing your offhand enchant? Or does it proc normally on every rotation? Because if it doesn't proc, then you might as well go double nirn and use poisons or something.

I won't ever read whole comment, because I got ur point after first few words. DW light attack weave prioritizes main hand, yes. Main hand enchant has always a priority - but if that enchant already on cooldown, elemental blockade from backbar procs offhand's enchant instantly. Because it ticks every 1 sec you know why it's around 70% uptime.

That makes sense. Cheers.

Maulkin

Raghul wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

Thx for testing it man, and yeah your crit rate was lower then mine, also zaan was bit lower, im sure you can reach 43k even with apprentice ^^

A high Crit rate has an even more positive impact on your build, cause Minor Force reasons. @gethemshauna is not running Trap.

Vaoh

Hopefully Magplar can work DW in Dragon Bones I really like where Magblade is rn but it would be nice to get some sort of passive sustain buff to other classes like Sorc.

In PvP, Sorcs wear 1-2x strict 5-piece sustain sets or resort to Dark Deal spam. In PvE they spam heavies even with Infused Absorb Mag enchant, Ele Drain, etc. Also healers don’t really bother wearing Worm a lot of times nowadays because Magblades don’t need it.

Maybe a cost reduction to Force Pulse, or a buff to the Unholy Knowledge aka Mag/Stam 5% reduction Sorc passive? They need at least a bit of help. I’m sure the same applies to Mag DK and Magplar too. Mag Warden is mostly okay with sustain but needs serious buffs elsewhere to DPS.

I just find the difference in sustain between Magblade and others too large atm. People are flocking to Mag NB not because they’re just stronger, but also because they’re more fun to play since you don’t have to spam heavies so much.

Then again I’m on console playing CWC - idk if sustain improved enough with synergy fixes to make other class sustain buffs unnecessary.

Tarys

Raghul wrote: »

Dual swords aquity, mainhand nirn fire damage, offhand infused weapon damage, backbar infused shock damage,
3 rings master architect, 2 body master architect, 3 body aquity, 2 zaan. All divines, 5 light, 1 medium 1 heavy.
All weapon damage on jewelry, if you plan to use witchmother or clockworl city food, i would recommend 1 health glyph, if you go with blue food, you can go all max magicka

Thanks a lot. But now i am unsure if you run dw on the backbar. In the first vid you had a staff. And since you are running aquity on the weapons you would lose the 5 piece bonus on backbar. or doesnt that matter that much?

Faulgor

gethemshauna wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

Tarys wrote: »

As i cant find a real description of the overall used stuff ..
1x sword with infused / dmg and 1x sword with nirn / fire? Or what combination is the best?
Armor all divine or are you actually using infused stuff? Any regeneration or cost reduce glyph or all on dmg?

Thanks a lot ^^

Dual swords aquity, mainhand nirn fire damage, offhand infused weapon damage, backbar infused shock damage,
3 rings master architect, 2 body master architect, 3 body aquity, 2 zaan. All divines, 5 light, 1 medium 1 heavy.
All weapon damage on jewelry, if you plan to use witchmother or clockworl city food, i would recommend 1 health glyph, if you go with blue food, you can go all max magicka

I have a question about off-hand enchant proc'ing. Bear with me...

The only time I'm concerned about DW enchants is when I'm playing my stamDK. But I obviously I very frequently heavy attack on the StamDK, especially since I'm wearing Sunder. Now, I know the DW heavy attack procs whichever enchant is not on CD and if neither are on CD, it randomly procs one of two. So you have max uptime on both enchants by basically heavy attacking couple of times on the front bar rotation. I also know that not all DW abilities will proc the off-hand enchant. It seems that only abilities that are visually using the off-hand blade (rapid strikes, rending slashes) have a chance to proc it, while flying blade and deadly cloak don't seem to.

So finally my question is, since you're only light attacking, do you see any problems proc'ing your offhand enchant? Or does it proc normally on every rotation? Because if it doesn't proc, then you might as well go double nirn and use poisons or something.

I won't ever read whole comment, because I got ur point after first few words. DW light attack weave prioritizes main hand, yes. Main hand enchant has always a priority - but if that enchant already on cooldown, elemental blockade from backbar procs offhand's enchant instantly. Because it ticks every 1 sec you know why it's around 70% uptime.

I thought the Berserker enchantment only procced from light/heavy attacks (not skills)?

getemshauna

Faulgor wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

Tarys wrote: »

As i cant find a real description of the overall used stuff ..
1x sword with infused / dmg and 1x sword with nirn / fire? Or what combination is the best?
Armor all divine or are you actually using infused stuff? Any regeneration or cost reduce glyph or all on dmg?

Thanks a lot ^^

Dual swords aquity, mainhand nirn fire damage, offhand infused weapon damage, backbar infused shock damage,
3 rings master architect, 2 body master architect, 3 body aquity, 2 zaan. All divines, 5 light, 1 medium 1 heavy.
All weapon damage on jewelry, if you plan to use witchmother or clockworl city food, i would recommend 1 health glyph, if you go with blue food, you can go all max magicka

I have a question about off-hand enchant proc'ing. Bear with me...

The only time I'm concerned about DW enchants is when I'm playing my stamDK. But I obviously I very frequently heavy attack on the StamDK, especially since I'm wearing Sunder. Now, I know the DW heavy attack procs whichever enchant is not on CD and if neither are on CD, it randomly procs one of two. So you have max uptime on both enchants by basically heavy attacking couple of times on the front bar rotation. I also know that not all DW abilities will proc the off-hand enchant. It seems that only abilities that are visually using the off-hand blade (rapid strikes, rending slashes) have a chance to proc it, while flying blade and deadly cloak don't seem to.

So finally my question is, since you're only light attacking, do you see any problems proc'ing your offhand enchant? Or does it proc normally on every rotation? Because if it doesn't proc, then you might as well go double nirn and use poisons or something.

I won't ever read whole comment, because I got ur point after first few words. DW light attack weave prioritizes main hand, yes. Main hand enchant has always a priority - but if that enchant already on cooldown, elemental blockade from backbar procs offhand's enchant instantly. Because it ticks every 1 sec you know why it's around 70% uptime.

I thought the Berserker enchantment only procced from light/heavy attacks (not skills)?

It procs from every Weapon ability (most popular: Endless Hail, elemental blockade, poison injection, etc)

getemshauna

Maulkin wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

Thx for testing it man, and yeah your crit rate was lower then mine, also zaan was bit lower, im sure you can reach 43k even with apprentice ^^

A high Crit rate has an even more positive impact on your build, cause Minor Force reasons. @gethemshauna is not running Trap.

Yep, exactly. Soon I'll do few more tests with trap, what is even more effective due to acuity. It's alteast 2k DPS added.

Raghul

Tarys wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

Dual swords aquity, mainhand nirn fire damage, offhand infused weapon damage, backbar infused shock damage,
3 rings master architect, 2 body master architect, 3 body aquity, 2 zaan. All divines, 5 light, 1 medium 1 heavy.
All weapon damage on jewelry, if you plan to use witchmother or clockworl city food, i would recommend 1 health glyph, if you go with blue food, you can go all max magicka

Thanks a lot. But now i am unsure if you run dw on the backbar. In the first vid you had a staff. And since you are running aquity on the weapons you would lose the 5 piece bonus on backbar. or doesnt that matter that much?

dw aquity front bar, vma fire backbar,
my build requires alot of barswaps, so the 5th pc of aquity will proc alot, even when it is only active on frontbar.
and like this i can time the proc with all my burst, when you have aquity active on both bars, it will proc randomly even when your burst time is not up.

Raghul

gethemshauna wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

Thx for testing it man, and yeah your crit rate was lower then mine, also zaan was bit lower, im sure you can reach 43k even with apprentice ^^

A high Crit rate has an even more positive impact on your build, cause Minor Force reasons. @gethemshauna is not running Trap.

Yep, exactly. Soon I'll do few more tests with trap, what is even more effective due to acuity. It's alteast 2k DPS added.

i am really excited to see what numbers you will get ^^
i would parse some more, but i am poor and ran out of pots xD

Maulkin

Raghul wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

Thx for testing it man, and yeah your crit rate was lower then mine, also zaan was bit lower, im sure you can reach 43k even with apprentice ^^

A high Crit rate has an even more positive impact on your build, cause Minor Force reasons. @gethemshauna is not running Trap.

Yep, exactly. Soon I'll do few more tests with trap, what is even more effective due to acuity. It's alteast 2k DPS added.

i am really excited to see what numbers you will get ^^
i would parse some more, but i am poor and ran out of pots xD

I know a solution to that particular problem. Sometimes I bring a magDK slave who sits there spamming Molten Armaments and Ele Drain every 20". So you can put Magelight on both bars, in place of Ele Drain, and only need to use basic magicka pots. Also you can practice the rotation without ele drain which is actually closer to the rotation you'll be doing on trials with this build.

getemshauna

Raghul wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

I've tested this, used raid setup and 6 million dummy to see how is the sustain, actual DPS and difference between dual inferno.

Here you can see results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLtI5o_-TM&feature=youtu.be
I acquired 41k, build is totally viable and fun to play, but I still prefer dual destro in raid enviroment:P
I could farm better crit rates for maybe even 43k but whatever xd
I like it :-)

Thx for testing it man, and yeah your crit rate was lower then mine, also zaan was bit lower, im sure you can reach 43k even with apprentice ^^

A high Crit rate has an even more positive impact on your build, cause Minor Force reasons. @gethemshauna is not running Trap.

Yep, exactly. Soon I'll do few more tests with trap, what is even more effective due to acuity. It's alteast 2k DPS added.

i am really excited to see what numbers you will get ^^
i would parse some more, but i am poor and ran out of pots xD

Hit me on PCEU, I have literally hundred of thousands sp potions.

Raghul

Melee magblade 3 & 6 mill parses, sorry for the shaking screen, can't hold my hand still appearantly
https://youtu.be/y9YSxSzaiNc