Can someone please explain to me WTF it is that I’m missing here?
No way to know, the only thing we do know is that vMA is incredibly hard for even good players below CP300 which is the level that vMA was designed around. And seeing as level scaling stops after 50 I would think CP100 is just about as impossible as it gets, but who can say.
No way to know, the only thing we do know is that vMA is incredibly hard for even good players below CP300 which is the level that vMA was designed around. And seeing as level scaling stops after 50 I would think CP100 is just about as impossible as it gets, but who can say.
- Some people just have fast skills and the ability to learn a game fast. Like those people who can learn a song just by hearing it once on the radio and can play it perfectly the first time.
- Some people's accounts are banned and the come back to the game so they know it already. All games are patterns, and once you know the pattern, they are easier to beat.
- Some people have others run their characters for them.
- Alt Account
"and how anyone who struggled with it at all needed to l2p"No way to know, the only thing we do know is that vMA is incredibly hard for even good players below CP300 which is the level that vMA was designed around. And seeing as level scaling stops after 50 I would think CP100 is just about as impossible as it gets, but who can say.
@Vapirko That’s what in saying. It just doesn’t add-up. And dude was talking like it was a breeze, and how anyone who struggled with it at all needed to l2p. That’s what really confused me.
I mean... Let’s analyze this a tad bit further... Learning VMA is both a very time heavy and expensive process. Let’s be real here. First clear of VMA required tons of gold from: Potion cost, repairing gear, soul gems, etc. It’s not a cheap process at all. And usually when a player is sub-160 CP, they aren’t too well-off financially speaking. They also aren’t too interested in VMA, as they care more so about farming overland content for experience and maybe gear sets as well. They also are usually focused on acquiring gold (I knew I was), and learning the ins and outs of how their class plays and things like rotations (again, I knew I was obsessed over it).
But to just be fresh to ESO, be under CP100 (CP160 even), immediately farm VMA, etc. that just raises all sorts of eyebrows. And then to just casually discuss said experiences with others about how simple it was... I mean, what? Huh? Red flag and all over the place.
My first question would be - how did he put out the DPS one needs to put out. The crystals at the end, the crematorium guards (or is it crematoria guards?), the ice platform boss (forget the name), all that nonsense.
In-game I would literally ask this person - if they were being obnoxious about the whole l2p thing - fine, here's a dummy, show me how much you can pull at CP90 or whatever they were. [I am going by the OP's impression that this was not a person you could just have a detailed and civil discussion with, though I could be wrong.] With a vMA build, by the way, which in many cases (not all) means slotting some skills (or an entirely different weapon) you wouldn't need in other content (shields/heals/whatever).
Not to mention the fact that you actually have to learn the mechanics of the thing. And practice them. I mean, either this is a person who watches a megaton of videos and memorizes every move they are going to make - and are good enough to execute - or they have an alt account and are trolling. Those would be my two guesses, and the balance of probability would heavily suggest the latter alternative...
Barring the possibility that you're using one of the mods that people can pay for custom titles in, you have the answer in your original post. He's an FPS gamer. The level of skill required for competitive shooters is well beyond what ESO requires and time effectively stands still in an RPG environment because 1 second globals are an ETERNITY to someone who lives or dies by split second decisions. He may even be a child and possess the time dilation awareness of one that fails to understand why other people cannot accurately and quickly click on someone's head when it's so easy to do because the world moves in such slow motion.
I mean there are players who have beaten Dark Souls games naked with no gear and zero deaths at level 1 with no health or dmg upgrades or skill points spent. Hard is a word used by casuals to such people.
No way to know, the only thing we do know is that vMA is incredibly hard for even good players below CP300 which is the level that vMA was designed around. And seeing as level scaling stops after 50 I would think CP100 is just about as impossible as it gets, but who can say.
@Vapirko That’s what in saying. It just doesn’t add-up. And dude was talking like it was a breeze, and how anyone who struggled with it at all needed to l2p. That’s what really confused me.
I mean... Let’s analyze this a tad bit further... Learning VMA is both a very time heavy and expensive process. Let’s be real here. First clear of VMA required tons of gold from: Potion cost, repairing gear, soul gems, etc. It’s not a cheap process at all. And usually when a player is sub-160 CP, they aren’t too well-off financially speaking. They also aren’t too interested in VMA, as they care more so about farming overland content for experience and maybe gear sets as well. They also are usually focused on acquiring gold (I knew I was), and learning the ins and outs of how their class plays and things like rotations (again, I knew I was obsessed over it).
But to just be fresh to ESO, be under CP100 (CP160 even), immediately farm VMA, etc. that just raises all sorts of eyebrows. And then to just casually discuss said experiences with others about how simple it was... I mean, what? Huh? Red flag and all over the place.
Barring the possibility that you're using one of the mods that people can pay for custom titles in, you have the answer in your original post. He's an FPS gamer. The level of skill required for competitive shooters is well beyond what ESO requires and time effectively stands still in an RPG environment because 1 second globals are an ETERNITY to someone who lives or dies by split second decisions. He may even be a child and possess the time dilation awareness of one that fails to understand why other people cannot accurately and quickly click on someone's head when it's so easy to do because the world moves in such slow motion.
I mean there are players who have beaten Dark Souls games naked with no gear and zero deaths at level 1 with no health or dmg upgrades or skill points spent. Hard is a word used by casuals to such people.
While I’m aware of said “SoulsBourne” players with that amount of skill, FPS titles require little to no skill IMO. I mean, this is coming from someone who regularly plays Overwatch and Doom. Both relatively fast-paced shooters. Overwatch especially (I main: Zenyatta, S76, and Roadhog). So n’ah. I strongly disagree with FPS titles requiring the same amount of skills as say something like: ESO’s VMA, Nioh, Mega Man games, nor any installment of “SoulsBourne”. I’d even go as far as to say FPS games lack the skill needed for something like Crash Bandicoot or Ninja Gaiden games. I mean, I’m just being 100% honest here.
Balticthunder wrote: »So, who is now going to make new account to prove us how easy vMA can be done at CP 100?
You should have sneak upon that guy an watch how he deals with normal mobs in Auridon, it could tell you much
Barring the possibility that you're using one of the mods that people can pay for custom titles in, you have the answer in your original post. He's an FPS gamer. The level of skill required for competitive shooters is well beyond what ESO requires and time effectively stands still in an RPG environment because 1 second globals are an ETERNITY to someone who lives or dies by split second decisions. He may even be a child and possess the time dilation awareness of one that fails to understand why other people cannot accurately and quickly click on someone's head when it's so easy to do because the world moves in such slow motion.
I mean there are players who have beaten Dark Souls games naked with no gear and zero deaths at level 1 with no health or dmg upgrades or skill points spent. Hard is a word used by casuals to such people.
While I’m aware of said “SoulsBourne” players with that amount of skill, FPS titles require little to no skill IMO. I mean, this is coming from someone who regularly plays Overwatch and Doom. Both relatively fast-paced shooters. Overwatch especially (I main: Zenyatta, S76, and Roadhog). So n’ah. I strongly disagree with FPS titles requiring the same amount of skills as say something like: ESO’s VMA, Nioh, Mega Man games, nor any installment of “SoulsBourne”. I’d even go as far as to say FPS games lack the skill needed for something like Crash Bandicoot or Ninja Gaiden games. I mean, I’m just being 100% honest here.
Overwatch? Doom? Let's just leave it at you will not understand the depths of the skill required for FPS gaming until you go competitive and have to play against people striving to win money. The esports scene is more noticeable in CS:GO and while it seems visually simple, that's grossly misleading. Heck, anyone who's served in live combat scenarios knows that fire fights aren't simple or lacking in required skill. It's the misconception that people are merely aiming and pulling a trigger that generates this. You don't have to agree or believe but there is a much greater skill requirement to FPS games than you're aware of or have been able to see. I used to think the same think when I was a kid and until I was enlightened.
Barring the possibility that you're using one of the mods that people can pay for custom titles in, you have the answer in your original post. He's an FPS gamer. The level of skill required for competitive shooters is well beyond what ESO requires and time effectively stands still in an RPG environment because 1 second globals are an ETERNITY to someone who lives or dies by split second decisions. He may even be a child and possess the time dilation awareness of one that fails to understand why other people cannot accurately and quickly click on someone's head when it's so easy to do because the world moves in such slow motion.
I mean there are players who have beaten Dark Souls games naked with no gear and zero deaths at level 1 with no health or dmg upgrades or skill points spent. Hard is a word used by casuals to such people.
Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Barring the possibility that you're using one of the mods that people can pay for custom titles in, you have the answer in your original post. He's an FPS gamer. The level of skill required for competitive shooters is well beyond what ESO requires and time effectively stands still in an RPG environment because 1 second globals are an ETERNITY to someone who lives or dies by split second decisions. He may even be a child and possess the time dilation awareness of one that fails to understand why other people cannot accurately and quickly click on someone's head when it's so easy to do because the world moves in such slow motion.
I mean there are players who have beaten Dark Souls games naked with no gear and zero deaths at level 1 with no health or dmg upgrades or skill points spent. Hard is a word used by casuals to such people.
But you don't just run into a DS game straight off the bat and do it naked on a lvl 1 toon. The people who do those runs have done it numerous times and have everything down to a tee. No way someone will have ran vMA numerous times and still only be that level in ESO. Also, different skill sets required for FPS and a game like ESO. Not saying some people aren't just naturally gifted, but I think the general consensus is, no, you just don't run through vMA and get a clear just like that.
Barring the possibility that you're using one of the mods that people can pay for custom titles in, you have the answer in your original post. He's an FPS gamer. The level of skill required for competitive shooters is well beyond what ESO requires and time effectively stands still in an RPG environment because 1 second globals are an ETERNITY to someone who lives or dies by split second decisions. He may even be a child and possess the time dilation awareness of one that fails to understand why other people cannot accurately and quickly click on someone's head when it's so easy to do because the world moves in such slow motion.
I mean there are players who have beaten Dark Souls games naked with no gear and zero deaths at level 1 with no health or dmg upgrades or skill points spent. Hard is a word used by casuals to such people.
While I’m aware of said “SoulsBourne” players with that amount of skill, FPS titles require little to no skill IMO. I mean, this is coming from someone who regularly plays Overwatch and Doom. Both relatively fast-paced shooters. Overwatch especially (I main: Zenyatta, S76, and Roadhog). So n’ah. I strongly disagree with FPS titles requiring the same amount of skills as say something like: ESO’s VMA, Nioh, Mega Man games, nor any installment of “SoulsBourne”. I’d even go as far as to say FPS games lack the skill needed for something like Crash Bandicoot or Ninja Gaiden games. I mean, I’m just being 100% honest here.
Overwatch? Doom? Let's just leave it at you will not understand the depths of the skill required for FPS gaming until you go competitive and have to play against people striving to win money. The esports scene is more noticeable in CS:GO and while it seems visually simple, that's grossly misleading. Heck, anyone who's served in live combat scenarios knows that fire fights aren't simple or lacking in required skill. It's the misconception that people are merely aiming and pulling a trigger that generates this. You don't have to agree or believe but there is a much greater skill requirement to FPS games than you're aware of or have been able to see. I used to think the same think when I was a kid and until I was enlightened.
While I may not have played against people for money in a FPS title, I most certainly can say that I have in fighting games. Marvel Vs. Capcom, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat (only Trilogy and UMK3 however), Smash Bros., and King of Fighters. So yes. I’m more than aware of how good players can be when on a tournament circuit, and cash is on the line.
Lol. Is it because didn’t mention Quake or Halo that you feel that way by a chance? Because even, neither of those compare to how fast-paced Overwatch is (go do a Google search on Tracer and Genji). CS:GO compared to OW is like Sonic the Hedgehog racing against a Mario with the star power-up. Overwatch runs circles around CS:GO regarding skill and overall game pace. People legit get headaches and nauseous playing and watching Genji and Lucio. Let alone Tracer.
Anyway, I still stand strongly by my point that FPS’ skill requirements pale in comparison to games like: ESO’s VMA, any “SoulsBourne”, any Mega Man game (except for X4 and maybe 8), Nioh, Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania, Devil May Cry (especially not DMC3 lol), Crash Bandicoot (the 1st game only), etc. No. Not even close. While I can respect your difference of opinion, I must disagree with you.
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Barring the possibility that you're using one of the mods that people can pay for custom titles in, you have the answer in your original post. He's an FPS gamer. The level of skill required for competitive shooters is well beyond what ESO requires and time effectively stands still in an RPG environment because 1 second globals are an ETERNITY to someone who lives or dies by split second decisions. He may even be a child and possess the time dilation awareness of one that fails to understand why other people cannot accurately and quickly click on someone's head when it's so easy to do because the world moves in such slow motion.
I mean there are players who have beaten Dark Souls games naked with no gear and zero deaths at level 1 with no health or dmg upgrades or skill points spent. Hard is a word used by casuals to such people.
While I’m aware of said “SoulsBourne” players with that amount of skill, FPS titles require little to no skill IMO. I mean, this is coming from someone who regularly plays Overwatch and Doom. Both relatively fast-paced shooters. Overwatch especially (I main: Zenyatta, S76, and Roadhog). So n’ah. I strongly disagree with FPS titles requiring the same amount of skills as say something like: ESO’s VMA, Nioh, Mega Man games, nor any installment of “SoulsBourne”. I’d even go as far as to say FPS games lack the skill needed for something like Crash Bandicoot or Ninja Gaiden games. I mean, I’m just being 100% honest here.
Overwatch? Doom? Let's just leave it at you will not understand the depths of the skill required for FPS gaming until you go competitive and have to play against people striving to win money. The esports scene is more noticeable in CS:GO and while it seems visually simple, that's grossly misleading. Heck, anyone who's served in live combat scenarios knows that fire fights aren't simple or lacking in required skill. It's the misconception that people are merely aiming and pulling a trigger that generates this. You don't have to agree or believe but there is a much greater skill requirement to FPS games than you're aware of or have been able to see. I used to think the same think when I was a kid and until I was enlightened.
While I may not have played against people for money in a FPS title, I most certainly can say that I have in fighting games. Marvel Vs. Capcom, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat (only Trilogy and UMK3 however), Smash Bros., and King of Fighters. So yes. I’m more than aware of how good players can be when on a tournament circuit, and cash is on the line.
Lol. Is it because didn’t mention Quake or Halo that you feel that way by a chance? Because even, neither of those compare to how fast-paced Overwatch is (go do a Google search on Tracer and Genji). CS:GO compared to OW is like Sonic the Hedgehog racing against a Mario with the star power-up. Overwatch runs circles around CS:GO regarding skill and overall game pace. People legit get headaches and nauseous playing and watching Genji and Lucio. Let alone Tracer.
Anyway, I still stand strongly by my point that FPS’ skill requirements pale in comparison to games like: ESO’s VMA, any “SoulsBourne”, any Mega Man game (except for X4 and maybe 8), Nioh, Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania, Devil May Cry (especially not DMC3 lol), Crash Bandicoot (the 1st game only), etc. No. Not even close. While I can respect your difference of opinion, I must disagree with you.
overwatch might be fast paced but its also, like pretty much all blizzard games - is designed to be casual/not particularly skilled player friendly. its THE reason why blizzard games do as well as they have. they are inclusive to all types of players. so.. maybe overwatch on competitive level qualifies as example of what fps entails (and on competitive level - it requires a great deal of skill AND great reflexes), but at the same time. its deliberately designed to be fairly easy to jump into. for anyone. so the comparison is closer to regular overwatch playing = ESO overworld solo questing. and skill requirement for ESO questing is pretty low, which is what makes it accessible AND popular.
so what I'm saying is.. being good at fps does require skill and in fact? it absolutely DOES help with harder content in ESO, because there are certain twitchy similarities. vs coming to ESO from.. only playing single player rpg's or similar.
Barring the possibility that you're using one of the mods that people can pay for custom titles in, you have the answer in your original post. He's an FPS gamer. The level of skill required for competitive shooters is well beyond what ESO requires and time effectively stands still in an RPG environment because 1 second globals are an ETERNITY to someone who lives or dies by split second decisions. He may even be a child and possess the time dilation awareness of one that fails to understand why other people cannot accurately and quickly click on someone's head when it's so easy to do because the world moves in such slow motion.
I mean there are players who have beaten Dark Souls games naked with no gear and zero deaths at level 1 with no health or dmg upgrades or skill points spent. Hard is a word used by casuals to such people.
While I’m aware of said “SoulsBourne” players with that amount of skill, FPS titles require little to no skill IMO. I mean, this is coming from someone who regularly plays Overwatch and Doom. Both relatively fast-paced shooters. Overwatch especially (I main: Zenyatta, S76, and Roadhog). So n’ah. I strongly disagree with FPS titles requiring the same amount of skills as say something like: ESO’s VMA, Nioh, Mega Man games, nor any installment of “SoulsBourne”. I’d even go as far as to say FPS games lack the skill needed for something like Crash Bandicoot or Ninja Gaiden games. I mean, I’m just being 100% honest here.
Overwatch? Doom? Let's just leave it at you will not understand the depths of the skill required for FPS gaming until you go competitive and have to play against people striving to win money. The esports scene is more noticeable in CS:GO and while it seems visually simple, that's grossly misleading. Heck, anyone who's served in live combat scenarios knows that fire fights aren't simple or lacking in required skill. It's the misconception that people are merely aiming and pulling a trigger that generates this. You don't have to agree or believe but there is a much greater skill requirement to FPS games than you're aware of or have been able to see. I used to think the same think when I was a kid and until I was enlightened.
While I may not have played against people for money in a FPS title, I most certainly can say that I have in fighting games. Marvel Vs. Capcom, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat (only Trilogy and UMK3 however), Smash Bros., and King of Fighters. So yes. I’m more than aware of how good players can be when on a tournament circuit, and cash is on the line.
Lol. Is it because didn’t mention Quake or Halo that you feel that way by a chance? Because even, neither of those compare to how fast-paced Overwatch is (go do a Google search on Tracer and Genji). CS:GO compared to OW is like Sonic the Hedgehog racing against a Mario with the star power-up. Overwatch runs circles around CS:GO regarding skill and overall game pace. People legit get headaches and nauseous playing and watching Genji and Lucio. Let alone Tracer.
Anyway, I still stand strongly by my point that FPS’ skill requirements pale in comparison to games like: ESO’s VMA, any “SoulsBourne”, any Mega Man game (except for X4 and maybe 8), Nioh, Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania, Devil May Cry (especially not DMC3 lol), Crash Bandicoot (the 1st game only), etc. No. Not even close. While I can respect your difference of opinion, I must disagree with you.
overwatch might be fast paced but its also, like pretty much all blizzard games - is designed to be casual/not particularly skilled player friendly. its THE reason why blizzard games do as well as they have. they are inclusive to all types of players. so.. maybe overwatch on competitive level qualifies as example of what fps entails (and on competitive level - it requires a great deal of skill AND great reflexes), but at the same time. its deliberately designed to be fairly easy to jump into. for anyone. so the comparison is closer to regular overwatch playing = ESO overworld solo questing. and skill requirement for ESO questing is pretty low, which is what makes it accessible AND popular.
so what I'm saying is.. being good at fps does require skill and in fact? it absolutely DOES help with harder content in ESO, because there are certain twitchy similarities. vs coming to ESO from.. only playing single player rpg's or similar.
Interesting... Pretty insightful too. I actually find that the more I indulge in single player games, the better off it is making in ESO and other multiplayer games. Perhaps this is because a lot of the games I play are classified as challenging by a lot of audiences (platformers especially). Like for example, going from a game like Nioh into ESO seems to make dueling a lot more easier for me. Although, I do wish I could change stances on the fly in ESO like Nioh. As well as the ability to combo.
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