Make vampire hunters a thing again

LadyNalcarya · February 2018

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

So invigorating drain isn't powerful? It's not overpowering but it's by no means weak. Mist Form and Batswarm are both strong and bats are only set to get stronger with AoE cap release.

Undeath and Night stalker are very strong passives, not to mention the extra 10% regen you get. Sit there and say vampire isn't OP or overperfoming and you'll be saying it when it's nerfed.

While locking vampires out of FG passives and skills would hit some vampires it would only really hit Stamina toons. What you're asking for is even more unbalanced as you'll trash PvE stam toons again.

What i'my asking for is a buff and a return of the pin mechanic to one skill, which is a counter to mist when used at the right time. This provides no harm outside of PvP and only negatively affects vampires which should bring more natural balance. Better that than the nerf. Ask DK's about nerfs.

1)Vampire isnt OP or overperforming. I havent seen anyone using that super strong drain in ages. Undeath seems strong on paper, but in reality you'll just get an execute to the face and die just like a non-vamp char. There are much better ults to use than batswarm. The glory days of that ult are long gone and are unlikely to return. Mist form is the only good skill for classes that lack mobility and it has serious downsides: you cannot be healed, your mana doesnt regenerate, and you can still be snared/rooted. Much op, such wow.
Oh, and sneak speed only works on stage 4, which means higher disadvantages. Cant just stay at stage 2 to use it. Same with Undeath, it requires stage 3.
So yeah, I dont know how its OP or anything. Its pretty balanced as is - you have bonuses, but you also have downsides.

2)So you're saying that stam classes are using vamp abilities too? No, they dont.
Besides, thats just a random idea and I'm not trying to force any agenda. I'm not against vamp hunter idea, but it already works and doesnt need buffs.

3)Do you have a vamp char? It kinda seems like you're facing strong vamp players in pvp and that makes you think that they are strong because of vampirism. Just try it, and you'll see that its not the case.

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Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

What downside do you propose taking on in return for this new ability/passive/power?

Vamp has downsides as tradeoff for the benefits, regardless of how you perceive them. If you truly are interested in balance and diversity, what is the negative aspect you'd receive in trade?

This is a good question, actually. And no, "just slotting" FG skill is not an answer because every stam build does it anyway.

Merlin13KAGL · February 2018

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

What downside do you propose taking on in return for this new ability/passive/power?

Vamp has downsides as tradeoff for the benefits, regardless of how you perceive them. If you truly are interested in balance and diversity, what is the negative aspect you'd receive in trade?

You have to slot a semi obscure skill which may not be easy to fit on your bars with the number of other skills you need/want. Additionally if you only make it viable skill against vamps and werewolves (doing say 40% less damage to humans) then it could perceivably be a less useful skill in some situations.

So...your two tradeoffs would be

You have to slot the skill.
That slotted skill you have to slot (That first tradeoff is huge. I can't emphasize it enough.) would do 40% less damage to everyone not

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

wall to wall there is vampires.

You're really putting yourself out there with those downsides, aren't you?

*Here's a hint*

Skilled Tracker (ooh, it's even passive): Your Fighters Guild abilities deal 20% reduced damage to not Undead, not Daedra and not Werewolves (formerly collectively known as humans).