Do You Charge Randoms to Run With Your Guild in Trials?

ArchMikem

I'm not a part of a legit Trials oriented Guild so I usually resort to PuG callouts or hitchhiking into my Guildmate's Trials Guild runs. But one day I got a whisper from him, telling me about a player that could get me into a Maw of Lorkhaj Skin run, if I paid 300,000g.

Obviously I completely ignored this for two reasons. I don't believe in having to pay for Trial runs, and also, I'm hella poor. I JUST recently reached 300k in the bank the other day. Back when I got the whisper I had like, 220k max to my name.

Is it all that common for Guilds who specialize in Trials to charge gold from Randoms? Do you think it's a bad practice?

BudgingCrib5

300k is a bargain, vmol skin sells for 2 mil on pc eu

Orticia

It depends on the situation.

Not that i would ever use it. But I can see situations where it seems ok by me. People are spending their time to gain gold, doing runs for a stranger or farming mats... both take time you could otherwise have spend in another way.

But only if they advertise it openly so people know what they can expect up front. Price and what you are guaranteed to get (will it continue till you got your skin or if it doesn't work, bad luck, one try only for instance). They don't use the group search system for this obviously for before mentioned reason. So no you are randomly placed in our group, now pay up or be kicked.

I do see this can be abused easily though. Money not payed, money stolen with nothing in return and such.

LeagueTroll

No, i learned from the past, now I don’t join a guild that take on crappy random dps. I don’t charge random but i only take if good. I expect 30k stam 27k mag at least.

Milvan

Yes, my Guild charges Gold for a Trial run.

BudgingCrib5 wrote: »

300k is a bargain, vmol skin sells for 2 mil on pc eu

That's the price on NA as well. They more likely made a friendly price for him/her since it was one of his/her friends.

We are currently auctioning spots on vMOL and vHOF bid starting on 1kk for vMOL and 3kk for vHOF. I don't see a problem in that.

josiahva

No, my Guild never charges Gold for Trial runs.

People think too much of themselves in this game if they are charging players for the privilege of running with their guild. On the flip-side of the coin, if you have to pay people to complete the content, then what is the point?

DieAlteHexe

No, my Guild never charges Gold for Trial runs.

josiahva wrote: »

People think too much of themselves in this game if they are charging players for the privilege of running with their guild. On the flip-side of the coin, if you have to pay people to complete the content, then what is the point?

That's how I see it but I ever was a stubborn, independent soul. It wouldn't feel like I'd achieved it as I should but I can sure understand the temptation.

Nestor

No, my Guild never charges Gold for Trial runs.

If I were to pay for a Trials Run, I would expect to be carried, by that I mean I would stand back and have a dance party while the other 11 took down the bosses.

Pay for Trial Run? phhhhhhbbbbbtttsssss

Thing is, I would rather learn with a group how to do the Vet Trial and prevail that way than to pay some group to carry me. Might as well hire some starving college student to play the game while I sit behind them and watch.

Kuramas9tails

It depends on the situation.

Milvan wrote: »

BudgingCrib5 wrote: »

300k is a bargain, vmol skin sells for 2 mil on pc eu

That's the price on NA as well. They more likely made a friendly price for him/her since it was one of his/her friends.

@Milvan @BudgingCrib5 lol. It's 1.2M on PS4 NA (100K per player in group). 3.6M for HOF (300K each).

baratron

I could afford to buy Trial skins, but I don't want a skin that I didn't earn legitimately. I'd rather pay 3-4 experienced, high DPS players to make up the numbers in a group that's capable of completing the content but don't have experience of the mechanics.

Cage_Lizardman

No, my Guild never charges Gold for Trial runs.

I wouldn't bother paying for a skin.

I would pay 1m for a perfected asylum staff though, but there's no guarantee of getting one of those.

Chaos2088

No, my Guild never charges Gold for Trial runs.

Whoever does charge.....you are a mean person.

SydneyGrey

If someone demanded money to let me join his trial, I'd laugh in his face.

coop500

No, my Guild never charges Gold for Trial runs.

What? Charging for trial runs? What the hell.... No, I'd never pay for this and would instantly leave a guild that does this

HatchetHaro

They don't charge gold for people to get into their runs; they charge gold to carry people through trials. There's a difference.

Pretty much the sole purpose of charging to carry people through trials is to get them the skin associated with completing those trials.

I'm personally fine with charging for carries; in fact, 300k gold total for a vMoL skin is a pretty good deal if you don't plan on doing vet trials seriously.

But if you flip it around and charge people for just running with them without any guarantee of completion, then there's a problem.

jaye63

HatchetHaro wrote: »

They don't charge gold for people to get into their runs; they charge gold to carry people through trials. There's a difference.

Pretty much the sole purpose of charging to carry people through trials is to get them the skin associated with completing those trials.

I'm personally fine with charging for carries; in fact, 300k gold total for a vMoL skin is a pretty good deal if you don't plan on doing vet trials seriously.

But if you flip it around and charge people for just running with them without any guarantee of completion, then there's a problem.

Interesting take. I can see charging carries the way you described.

But if Im paying to join, I get first pick of ANY gear.

Danksta

It depends on the situation.

jaye63 wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

They don't charge gold for people to get into their runs; they charge gold to carry people through trials. There's a difference.

Pretty much the sole purpose of charging to carry people through trials is to get them the skin associated with completing those trials.

I'm personally fine with charging for carries; in fact, 300k gold total for a vMoL skin is a pretty good deal if you don't plan on doing vet trials seriously.

But if you flip it around and charge people for just running with them without any guarantee of completion, then there's a problem.

Interesting take. I can see charging carries the way you described.

But if Im paying to join, I get first pick of ANY gear.

The price generally includes all jewelry drops.

Jhalin

Lol, I clicked in to this thread expecting vet Crag trials and was ready to laugh.

Turns out we're asking if professional(yeah yeah I know) vTrial guilds should give pity runs to lowbies who want skins. That is stupidly cheap for a vMoL run anyway.

Jhalin

baratron wrote: »

I could afford to buy Trial skins, but I don't want a skin that I didn't earn legitimately. I'd rather pay 3-4 experienced, high DPS players to make up the numbers in a group that's capable of completing the content but don't have experience of the mechanics.

If your group doesn't know the mechanics then they will never complete the content no matter what their dps numbers are. Enjoy trying to do twins with people who have no idea what the colors mean.

Jamini

No, my Guild never charges Gold for Trial runs.

I would quit my raiding guild if they started selling runs. That *** is earned, not given.

Then again, we are still working on getting our B-team through vMoL. So it's not like we are in a position to really be selling runs at this time anyway.

Still, it's the principal of the thing. Earn your place!

Oreyn_Bearclaw

It depends on the situation.

None of my progression groups that I have been in have ever sold clears, but I have been called in a time or two by a pickup group (of good players) to carry someone for a skin. Of course, we are adequately compensated for our time and experience.

code65536

Danksta wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

They don't charge gold for people to get into their runs; they charge gold to carry people through trials. There's a difference.

Pretty much the sole purpose of charging to carry people through trials is to get them the skin associated with completing those trials.

I'm personally fine with charging for carries; in fact, 300k gold total for a vMoL skin is a pretty good deal if you don't plan on doing vet trials seriously.

But if you flip it around and charge people for just running with them without any guarantee of completion, then there's a problem.

Interesting take. I can see charging carries the way you described.

But if Im paying to join, I get first pick of ANY gear.

The price generally includes all jewelry drops.

That's because any group experienced enough to carry passengers through will already have everything in the trial except maybe the weapons. I vendor the jewelry and decon the gear that I get from vet trials, and if someone wants it, it's theirs for free.

JobooAGS

No, my Guild never charges Gold for Trial runs.

Why would I? Its a trial.

Danksta

It depends on the situation.

code65536 wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

They don't charge gold for people to get into their runs; they charge gold to carry people through trials. There's a difference.

Pretty much the sole purpose of charging to carry people through trials is to get them the skin associated with completing those trials.

I'm personally fine with charging for carries; in fact, 300k gold total for a vMoL skin is a pretty good deal if you don't plan on doing vet trials seriously.

But if you flip it around and charge people for just running with them without any guarantee of completion, then there's a problem.

Interesting take. I can see charging carries the way you described.

But if Im paying to join, I get first pick of ANY gear.

The price generally includes all jewelry drops.

That's because any group experienced enough to carry passengers through will already have everything in the trial except maybe the weapons. I vendor the jewelry and decon the gear that I get from vet trials, and if someone wants it, it's theirs for free.

I'm aware. I don't even bother to pick anything up gear-wise if nobody is going to need it.

jssriot

No, my Guild never charges Gold for Trial runs.

Don't pay for trial runs. Don't be part of a guild that does. The people who do this are deliberately trying ot make this content either inaccessible or appear inaccessible to others for the sake of milking them for gold. It's scuzzy, it's preying on people who don't have access to the "right" guilds (aka know the "right" players), and makes the community look bad.

Oh and the people who hyperventilate and clutch their pearls and say, "I've never seen that!" when i tell others that pve end game in ESO is plagued by awful guilds full of awful people who try to gatekeep the content, just stop. This is one of the things i'm talking about.

Runefang

Yes, my Guild charges Gold for a Trial run.

While not my guild specifically I do know of a few different people in two of my guilds that are also part of vet trial guilds that have charged for vMoL runs. The usual charge is 200-300k per person that is helping carry.

And they're carried through completely, on the twins they stand outside the door with somebody else.

Jhalin

jssriot wrote: »

Oh and the people who hyperventilate and clutch their pearls and say, "I've never seen that!" when i tell others that pve end game in ESO is plagued by awful guilds full of awful people who try to gatekeep the content, just stop.

lmao @ "gatekeeping content"

Literally no one is stopping you from getting through vMoL with your own group. No one owes you pity runs if your group isn't good enough to clear it.

Danksta

It depends on the situation.

jssriot wrote: »

Don't pay for trial runs. Don't be part of a guild that does. The people who do this are deliberately trying ot make this content either inaccessible or appear inaccessible to others for the sake of milking them for gold. It's scuzzy, it's preying on people who don't have access to the "right" guilds (aka know the "right" players), and makes the community look bad.

Oh and the people who hyperventilate and clutch their pearls and say, "I've never seen that!" when i tell others that pve end game in ESO is plagued by awful guilds full of awful people who try to gatekeep the content, just stop. This is one of the things i'm talking about.

That's funny because I'm in a guild that charges for skin runs and yet I'm in another guild that trains people to do trials, I've helped countless people with builds and rotations and I fill in for groups for progression runs. Not everyone is interested in earning their skins in the traditional sense, maybe they don't enjoy doing trials and would rather just pay for the skin and go back to doing the things they enjoy in the game.

Mazbt

I'd help friends out if they need a clear for free. I'm personally against paid carries though. It's no point trying to stop someone but I wouldn't be seen in those runs.

Runefang

Yes, my Guild charges Gold for a Trial run.

jssriot wrote: »

Don't pay for trial runs. Don't be part of a guild that does. The people who do this are deliberately trying ot make this content either inaccessible or appear inaccessible to others for the sake of milking them for gold. It's scuzzy, it's preying on people who don't have access to the "right" guilds (aka know the "right" players), and makes the community look bad.

Oh and the people who hyperventilate and clutch their pearls and say, "I've never seen that!" when i tell others that pve end game in ESO is plagued by awful guilds full of awful people who try to gatekeep the content, just stop. This is one of the things i'm talking about.

Lol!

I know of somebody who has hundreds of millions in gold. Their in-game house and contents is also worth hundreds of millions of gold as well. It's their personal home, not even a guild hall, with every set crafting station, loads of 25m target dummies and every expensive house item you can think of.

They're not being preyed on, they're literally seeking out these guilds to run it for them. They drop a few million on it because its nothing to them.

zaria

Jhalin wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

I could afford to buy Trial skins, but I don't want a skin that I didn't earn legitimately. I'd rather pay 3-4 experienced, high DPS players to make up the numbers in a group that's capable of completing the content but don't have experience of the mechanics.

If your group doesn't know the mechanics then they will never complete the content no matter what their dps numbers are. Enjoy trying to do twins with people who have no idea what the colors mean.

That is called an progression group, you assume all has watch youtube and you discuss tactic.
Then you wipe, learn perhaps adjust tactic a bit and try again, lots of repair kits later you manage to beat them. You then perhaps try a bit on last boss just to get an feeling of mechanics.
Next week you go for last boss.
Its an huge difference from watching videos to doing it yourself.