Vampire Skincolor/Cosmetic Changes

Avrael

I know this has 500 threads already, but because it never got acknowledged by the team, ill make one more.
But this isnt a rant. I just wanted to ask you other players what you think about those ideas.

I personally would welcome if you could at least choose if you can see veins and all while a vampire. Im getting sick when seeing veins under skin (which also is a reason why i never played Dragonknight... seeing a beating heart and pumping veins... no thanks), in real life and in game, but i wont heal vampirism, it sadly has major passives that are too good to pass up as a magicka sorc dps. If i could be just pure white (like argonian vampires are), i would have absolutley 0 problems with this anymore. (This sounds very racist......... but people in tamriel are pretty racist too, so...)
I already read many people say something like "If you want to be a vampire, then live with the visual changes." And with the reason of getting white i can agree, youre pretty (un)dead. But the veins have nothing to do with vampirism for me. Vampires normally dont have blood (tho vampires in Eso are diffrent, and i dont know for sure if they have blood or not, but ill roll with they dont for now), and veins shouldnt show at all if they have nothing in them. This only indicates for me that your skin will get paper thin while a vampire, but that makes no sense to me either, even while being dead. Im no expert, but skin on corpses looks more leathery and even less transparent then normal, and not so thin that you can see through it. I dont say a fantasy game should be realistic, but please dont comment against this with realism either. So for me this is just a cosmetic change that you could easily make optional without hurting anyone. But feel free to tell if youre hurt. This thread is to find out.

And please remember: Optional doesnt mean removed! If you still want to look exactly the same as at the moment, you would still be able to. But others who would like some changes, could get them without taking options from others. In games like this, individuality is very important, and more options just add to that, and take nothing away.
But now to the poll.

While a vampire, should it be optional:

Aliyavana

All of the above.

You can't say it in these forums or you'll be attacked even though lore and in-game dialogue makes it canon for a hide vamparism disguise. Even when I asked for the ability to still look like a vamp at stage 4 with stage 2 appearance I was attacked.

Truth be told, the people that are against it don't wanna see tamriel filled with vampires and if the vampirsm was hidable, those that care about cosmetic would likely turn and vampires will increase by a lot and be everywhere.

Stage 2 vamparism I would like to look like with a costume or skillpoints as stage 4 looks more like a skooma addict than a vampire.

Marabornwingrion

Avrael wrote: »

I know this has 500 threads already, but because it never got acknowledged by the team, ill make one more

How 'bout no?

Avrael

All of the above.

Astrid_V wrote: »

How 'bout no?

Why not? Changes dont come if you dont say something, until it doesnt get ignored anymore.

VexingArcanist

If being Mortal had a balanced set of advantages over Vampire, I would have no issue with some sort of Masquerade ability to appear less grotasteque. As it is it is the only real disadvantage, and for Dunmer even the fire drawback is laughable.

I hate feeling like if I don't go vampire my character is woefully inadequate to any one else's that is a Vampire.

Avrael

All of the above.

VexingArcanist wrote: »

I hate feeling like if I don't go vampire my character is woefully inadequate to any one else's that is a Vampire.

Exactly this. Its just a big positive being a vampire compared to being mortal. Every time i healed vampirism because i didnt like the look anymore, i felt really weak and like "I could do more dmg just being a vampire... noone takes a non-vampire magicka dps into dungeons."

Marabornwingrion

Avrael wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

How 'bout no?

Why not? Changes dont come if you dont say something, until it doesnt get ignored anymore.

I was talking about beating dead horse again. You've said that there were already 500 threads about this, so why the heck you make 501? Do you think if devs didn't respond so far to these 500 threads, they will respond to this one?

Aliyavana

All of the above.

Astrid_V wrote: »

Avrael wrote: »

I know this has 500 threads already, but because it never got acknowledged by the team, ill make one more

How 'bout no?

You yourself only like stage 1/2 and hide the ugly transformation at stage 4 with skins. I am sure you and I and many will resort to using the upcoming necromancer skin to hide it so why against it? Imo at the very least I'd like a stage 2 disguise as I prefer to have red eyes then skooma addict eyes on my vampires. Edit: oh it's being against another thread, well meh, with enough threads maybe they will comment on it as the last dev comment was a year ago

Avrael

All of the above.

Astrid_V wrote: »

I was talking about beating dead horse again. You've said that there were already 500 threads about this, so why the heck you make 501? Do you think if devs didn't respond so far to these 500 threads, they will respond to this one?

No. But this isnt for the devs (yet), but for you players. Im perfectly aware that they will probably ignore this poll. I just want to find out how many people want which changes so i can maybe give the team feedback directly with a lot of information.
And please feel free to vote, any vote is more information for me then no vote.

Aliyavana

All of the above.

Stage 2 vamparism disguise please zos!

jarydf

Stage 1 should look like a normal human. Hiding in plain sight like the werewolves. Peeps don't instantly know you are a monster and all that.

bloodthirstyvampire

Nothing should be optional at all.

We are undead and should remain as such, tho if I had the option to turn it on or off for other players benefit that would be fine

Avrael

All of the above.

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

We are undead and should remain as such, tho if I had the option to turn it on or off for other players benefit that would be fine, tho a vampire that looks like a weak pathetic mortal is a hypocrite. and should die

Chill. Youre way too hard into this, its just a game.
And just because youre way too hard into this you voted that nothing should be optional? Hm... if you would at least have given an argument why, i would have no problem that you voted this.

Sevalaricgirl

All of the above.

I leave my vampires at stage 4 with stage 4 looks. It doesn't bother me. If I want to change my looks, I make some bloody mara potion.

Tasear

Look at new skin from dlc dungeon coming. It's what we been dubbing the vampire human skin.

bloodthirstyvampire

Nothing should be optional at all.

Avrael wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

We are undead and should remain as such, tho if I had the option to turn it on or off for other players benefit that would be fine, tho a vampire that looks like a weak pathetic mortal is a hypocrite. and should die

Chill. Youre way too hard into this, its just a game.
And just because youre way too hard into this you voted that nothing should be optional? Hm... if you would at least have given an argument why, i would have no problem that you voted this.

Vampires are undead and should appear undead, but if other players want it and would enjoy this feature I wouldn't be against it I ment to pick the 4th option that last sentence is me having a little fun chill its just a game

VoodooWasser

All of the above.

Even when i agree: Vamp is hidable in game already. I hide it with skin but disguises work as well if i remember correctly. So i really dont unterstand why it shouldnt be hidable by deafault since there are already ways around looking like the most unrealistic dead person.

Avrael

All of the above.

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Vampires are undead and should appear undead but if other players want would enjoy this feature I wouldn't be against it I ment to pick the 4th option that last sentence is me having a little fun chill its just a game

So you picked the wrong vote? Ok that can happen, im sorry then, i thought you were very serious. Its hard to see jokes in written form.
I guess this forum has no way of changing a vote, i think i tried that already at some point, not your fault then.

HidesFromSun

That the skincolor changes to white at all.

I meant to pick all of the above, but im a derp and clicked the first thing i saw

As long as it's optional though, I wouldn't mind it.

Runschei

I know a lot of people that actually like the face freshly dipped in flour look and I know people that absolutely hate it. I myself would be perfectly fine with having the option to totally hide the skin either with an obtainable "normal" skin or in settings, or now the outfit system. I don't see why people are against it when clearly all of the lore supports it. Hell I would be for werewolf fur dyes aswell.


And for tattoos and war paint/makeup. ZOS has already proven how easy it is for their freaking bright red lipstick to be on top of the vampire skin. Why can't they make the rest of the cosmetics do the same? Lol.

coop500

Nothing should be optional at all.

My only gripe is vamps are already OP and there's already a huge number of them, so to me they would have to be re balanced or make werewolves suck less or give us a cosmetic bonus too if they do anything for vampires.

ThePrinceOfBargains

I’m historically against allowing vampires to have a hide vampirism option without at least one trait remaining visible, such as the red eyes, that would be recognizable to someone who is familiar with vampires. If they did something like that, I’d want them to add more cons to playing a vampire. Such as bumping the fire damage in stages 2 through 4 back to their original figures. But the stuff you’re requesting seems okay to me either way.

Basically, I don’t think vampirism should be seen as this free stat boost, which it has pretty much already become. It’s treated like a Mundus Stone when it should really be more of a choice in play style. You should have to decide whether the negatives are worth the positives, and currently, that’s not even a legitimate debate. The current extra fire damage figures are of no real concern anywhere outside of vCoA.

VoodooWasser

All of the above.

for all the Lore critics: if i wear the Hof skinn i dont look at all like a Vamp. even the uncovered spots are perfectly normal colloured. So where is the lore reasoning for that?

KramUzibra

All of the above.

VexingArcanist wrote: »

If being Mortal had a balanced set of advantages over Vampire, I would have no issue with some sort of Masquerade ability to appear less grotasteque. As it is it is the only real disadvantage, and for Dunmer even the fire drawback is laughable.

I hate feeling like if I don't go vampire my character is woefully inadequate to any one else's that is a Vampire.

You can Alrwady hide it with certain skins so just give is the option to hide it all together. Arguing otherwise makes no sense since it's achievable to an extent.

Orticia

If vampire didn't look like it does I would make my character a vampire. Then it looses it's main disadvantage to me (I def do not want my character to look like that), making up for 95% of total why I am not a vampire. I think I am not the only one. So yeah as said before in this tread... i think if it becomes hide-able the vampire community would explode.

Greevir

Nothing should be optional at all.

If the option also existed to where I can make all my armor invisible, sure.

Spacemonkey

Nothing should be optional at all.

First off everyone makes out vampires in Elder's Scrolls to be w/e they want them to be. Be it a-la-Bram Stoker or Twilight or any extreme story where vampires turn out more gruesome than zombies.

This is what the argument is over. This makes it extremely difficult to argue for or against as there will always be perfectly reasoned arguments against your own.

If you take for example vampires in TES III, the answer would be quite cut and dry , no, you cannot hide what you are and will have every and each cosmetic symptom etc.... If you take vampires in Skyrim, well..... twilight your way to sexually seductive *** model and you basically have it. Vampires have no consensus in fantasy (all works) and barely find common grounds in Bethesda games; So how can you argue anything about it here in ESO?

If you forget ALL the lore and take eso into account, Vampires have drawbacks, mostly cosmetic. Period. And these would be my arguments - ignoring all pre ESO lore etc... and taking only Zenimax's game into account.

1) Yes, some npcs hide the cosmetics, but they are millenial old wizards. Are you a millenial old wizard in ESO? (no - you were a nobody until your soul got ripped out of you).

2) Does it make sense Vampires are seen as baddies, killed on sight, and yet 500,000 of them run around helping people with menial tasks, saving empires, etc.... ? No, it doesn't so every player should NOT be a vampire. (I mean the fact anyone can be one irks me a bit - but I understand, rpg, fantasy world etc...) Still this reinforces the whole point that being a vampire should be BAD , there should be drawbacks

3) Ref point 2; For the sake of balance, the vampire skill line cannot both buff the player too much (regen) and debuff the player too much (fg skill line) - otherwise forum apocalypse. Drawbacks are as such intensified through cosmetics, while buffs are limited , otherwise every single player would be a vampire. (Some already argue a lot, that vampire is essential for best build setup)

What I feel could be an option for both vampire and werewolf skill lines is that while not in werewolf form (or vampire form? change lore a bit for this strain of vampirism to act a bit more like werewolf) - the player gets NO bonus, NO debuffs, NO cosmetics, when the form is not activated. When it IS activated, the player gets cosmetics + Buff (which could be intensified) + Debuff (which could be intensified)

Anyway. as things are now. No. you wanted vampire for regen? Deal with the cosmetics, tough luck. You wanted vampire for roleplay reasons? Well too bad, it is not twilight, and this vampire strain has cosmetics stuff. Deal with it.

KramUzibra

All of the above.

Spacemonkey wrote: »

First off everyone makes out vampires in Elder's Scrolls to be w/e they want them to be. Be it a-la-Bram Stoker or Twilight or any extreme story where vampires turn out more gruesome than zombies.

This is what the argument is over. This makes it extremely difficult to argue for or against as there will always be perfectly reasoned arguments against your own.

If you take for example vampires in TES III, the answer would be quite cut and dry , no, you cannot hide what you are and will have every and each cosmetic symptom etc.... If you take vampires in Skyrim, well..... twilight your way to sexually seductive *** model and you basically have it. Vampires have no consensus in fantasy (all works) and barely find common grounds in Bethesda games; So how can you argue anything about it here in ESO?

If you forget ALL the lore and take eso into account, Vampires have drawbacks, mostly cosmetic. Period. And these would be my arguments - ignoring all pre ESO lore etc... and taking only Zenimax's game into account.

1) Yes, some npcs hide the cosmetics, but they are millenial old wizards. Are you a millenial old wizard in ESO? (no - you were a nobody until your soul got ripped out of you).

2) Does it make sense Vampires are seen as baddies, killed on sight, and yet 500,000 of them run around helping people with menial tasks, saving empires, etc.... ? No, it doesn't so every player should NOT be a vampire. (I mean the fact anyone can be one irks me a bit - but I understand, rpg, fantasy world etc...) Still this reinforces the whole point that being a vampire should be BAD , there should be drawbacks

3) Ref point 2; For the sake of balance, the vampire skill line cannot both buff the player too much (regen) and debuff the player too much (fg skill line) - otherwise forum apocalypse. Drawbacks are as such intensified through cosmetics, while buffs are limited , otherwise every single player would be a vampire. (Some already argue a lot, that vampire is essential for best build setup)

What I feel could be an option for both vampire and werewolf skill lines is that while not in werewolf form (or vampire form? change lore a bit for this strain of vampirism to act a bit more like werewolf) - the player gets NO bonus, NO debuffs, NO cosmetics, when the form is not activated. When it IS activated, the player gets cosmetics + Buff (which could be intensified) + Debuff (which could be intensified)

Anyway. as things are now. No. you wanted vampire for regen? Deal with the cosmetics, tough luck. You wanted vampire for roleplay reasons? Well too bad, it is not twilight, and this vampire strain has cosmetics stuff. Deal with it.

Oh I'm dealing with it I use the hotr skin for now until zos gives us the option to hide Which they most likely will dispite those few who advocate against the option. Much like the dye weapons options it will come in time.

Avrael

All of the above.

I totally agree. Vampirism isnt a choice of character or playstyle anymore, if it ever was. Its just a pure stat boost... AND a playstyle in some cases like lore playing if you so want, but not for endgame content.
I for instance wouldnt be a vampire if it wouldnt be for the stats, thats literally the only reason. Ok, the sneaking passive is pretty nice too for casual/lore playing...

So i would be for some changes to vampires and werewolves too, that they would be optional things that you could be, but dont have to be or else youre at a disadvantage. But ill maybe make a thread for that topic itself someday, for now ill gather your player opinions on this topic and if enough players are for any changes, ill send the devs some feedback directly. Or as directly as it is possible...

Avrael

All of the above.

Greevir wrote: »

If the option also existed to where I can make all my armor invisible, sure.

I cant tell if thats sarcasm or not, but either way, im on that too. Ill make a new thread about that soon, i had one a long time ago already. I mean, if you can hide your helmet, then there is no reason why we wouldnt be able to hide other armor pieces.
The new transmog system would even be perfect for that, the tab for helmet has the option to hide the helmet build in, cant be that hard to put this option to the other pieces.

And for the idea with Vampires and Werewolves only getting advantages while in their form, that idea is very nice.
I mean, they had the Vampire Lord form in Skyrim, it would be amazing to have it here too, and make a magicka equivalent of a werewolf form. And if they would make them viable in gameplay too, that would be amazing. I dont know a lot of lore about vampire lords, but i could imagine they existed already in the time of Eso.

coop500

Nothing should be optional at all.

Avrael wrote: »

Greevir wrote: »

If the option also existed to where I can make all my armor invisible, sure.

I cant tell if thats sarcasm or not, but either way, im on that too. Ill make a new thread about that soon, i had one a long time ago already. I mean, if you can hide your helmet, then there is no reason why we wouldnt be able to hide other armor pieces.
The new transmog system would even be perfect for that, the tab for helmet has the option to hide the helmet build in, cant be that hard to put this option to the other pieces.

And for the idea with Vampires and Werewolves only getting advantages while in their form, that idea is very nice.
I mean, they had the Vampire Lord form in Skyrim, it would be amazing to have it here too, and make a magicka equivalent of a werewolf form. And if they would make them viable in gameplay too, that would be amazing. I dont know a lot of lore about vampire lords, but i could imagine they existed already in the time of Eso.

They better give something pretty awesome to werewolves to excuse giving vampires such power.