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Gap closers worth it after patch?

Demra
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I'm curious about people's thoughts on the upcoming nerf to gap closers and specifically to 2h ones.

On my stam sorc i was constantly debating whether to waste a skill slot for a skill that is mostly used only once during the beggining of the battle and maybe if the openent is running away and i still have stamina left to chase him. Any other dot or dd skill seemed more effective. I would eventually slot it mostly because it looks cool and i would hate when somebody escaped me with 20% hp.

But with the upcoming nerf i just don't see myself using it over any other dot or buff skill. Even retreat manuevar sounds better.

What are your thoughts? Am i exagerating?

(I will fix spelling later when im at the comp)
  • Dreth
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    Barely worth it before the nerf. After playing my magDK (RIP), I realized they just arent that important and dont provide as much utility as you think. I dropped them on just about all classes and havent missed them yet.

    I wouldnt run retreating without some serious recovery. Its 8k stam.
    Edited by Dreth on January 31, 2018 3:30PM
  • Lieblingsjunge
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    The nerf is definitely needed. The gap-closer did too much damage as it is. In theory a gap-closer shouldn't be a DPS-skill, it should be a utility skill to get close to your target, imo. (No more spambush ;D)

    I always find myself a bit "meh" when I don't have a gap-closer. That's probably 'cus I'm maining a templar and well, their spammable skill is jabs. Which is a melee skill. Whilst every other skill it has, is pretty much ranged.

    But next patch I'll probably find another spammable skill for my templar and drop the gapcloser. Frees up a spot on my bar anyway.
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  • Minno
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    The nerf is definitely needed. The gap-closer did too much damage as it is. In theory a gap-closer shouldn't be a DPS-skill, it should be a utility skill to get close to your target, imo. (No more spambush ;D)

    I always find myself a bit "meh" when I don't have a gap-closer. That's probably 'cus I'm maining a templar and well, their spammable skill is jabs. Which is a melee skill. Whilst every other skill it has, is pretty much ranged.

    But next patch I'll probably find another spammable skill for my templar and drop the gapcloser. Frees up a spot on my bar anyway.

    It will lessen burst combos using the gap closer (dark flare focused charge, but I agree it is supposed to be a utility spell.

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  • Demra
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    Yeah I guess it makes sense. Gap closers might not seem much when used by a single person but when a full group comes and each throws one - it is the quickest death.
  • thedude33
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    Demra wrote: »
    Yeah I guess it makes sense. Gap closers might not seem much when used by a single person but when a full group comes and each throws one - it is the quickest death.

    Agree. That's why I think light attack might need a nerf. I had a group of 20+ all hit me with a LA and I died instantly.
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  • CatchMeTrolling
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    Haven’t ran a gap closer in like 2 yrs(aside from my melee magblade a year ago) it’s not that vital as people make it out to be. But has it’s usefulness.
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  • VaranisArano
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    If you want to use them to close a gap, yes, they'll be worth it. Otherwise, there are probably more effective ways to get the effect you want.

    For example, if I use a gap-closer to drop an ultimate into the middle of an enemy raid, the gap-closer did its intended function and any extra damage/effects from the gap-closer is the cherry on top of my destro ulti or permafrost sundae.
  • Datthaw
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    As a Magicka Templar, I never did slot a Gap Closer for its damage...

    I slot it because it's the only way I can catch those cowardly, running, Nightblades...

    As a result, the nerf to Toppling Charges damage will have zero impact on my loadout and playstyle...

    Hey were I'm mot a cowardly running nb, I come back, I just run when you hit me. Like an abused dog.
  • FearlessOne_2014
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    thedude33 wrote: »
    Demra wrote: »
    Yeah I guess it makes sense. Gap closers might not seem much when used by a single person but when a full group comes and each throws one - it is the quickest death.

    Agree. That's why I think light attack might need a nerf. I had a group of 20+ all hit me with a LA and I died instantly.

    Lol I see what you did there. :star:
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  • Sixty5
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    Crit Rush is dead, it's purpose was damage, and that is pretty much gone.

    Take Stampede 100% of the time now, and watch as people cry about the snare.
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  • Kode
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    Damage, gap close, and often CC is a bit much. I can see why the nerf.

    Like others said, if you want to close the gap... use a gap closer.
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  • Ragnarock41
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    idk wrote: »
    They'll be worth it for their main intended use, as a gap closer.

    except they never connect properly on longer ranges, and used as a means to initiate fights when you're like 10 meters away from someone.
    Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 1, 2018 12:43PM
  • lao
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    Demra wrote: »
    I'm curious about people's thoughts on the upcoming nerf to gap closers and specifically to 2h ones.

    On my stam sorc i was constantly debating whether to waste a skill slot for a skill that is mostly used only once during the beggining of the battle and maybe if the openent is running away and i still have stamina left to chase him. Any other dot or dd skill seemed more effective. I would eventually slot it mostly because it looks cool and i would hate when somebody escaped me with 20% hp.

    But with the upcoming nerf i just don't see myself using it over any other dot or buff skill. Even retreat manuevar sounds better.

    What are your thoughts? Am i exagerating?

    (I will fix spelling later when im at the comp)

    it is kinda a waste of a skill islot in the current patch already as expedition+immovable pots are the meta. if your gap closer doesnt apply valuable secondary effects that are part of your burst window (like ambush f.e.) theres literally no point to run one and even less so in next patch.
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    I might go for rapid manuever on my stamina builds. It costs nothing if you use it after breaking free from a CC.
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    Minno wrote: »
    The nerf is definitely needed. The gap-closer did too much damage as it is. In theory a gap-closer shouldn't be a DPS-skill, it should be a utility skill to get close to your target, imo. (No more spambush ;D)

    I always find myself a bit "meh" when I don't have a gap-closer. That's probably 'cus I'm maining a templar and well, their spammable skill is jabs. Which is a melee skill. Whilst every other skill it has, is pretty much ranged.

    But next patch I'll probably find another spammable skill for my templar and drop the gapcloser. Frees up a spot on my bar anyway.

    It will lessen burst combos using the gap closer (dark flare focused charge, but I agree it is supposed to be a utility spell.

    Only gap-closer nerf that doesn´t make sense is pounce (werewolf skilline). Low damage, no extra snare, high cost (which makes it impossible to spam unless you like having low stamina pool) and medium range. The design of pounce is like a gap-closer should work. Hope ZOS revert the change for pounce specifically.
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    @Qbiken or give pounce a useful secondary effect. Some minor buff for 4 seconds, for example.
  • Demra
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    thedude33 wrote: »
    Demra wrote: »
    Yeah I guess it makes sense. Gap closers might not seem much when used by a single person but when a full group comes and each throws one - it is the quickest death.

    Agree. That's why I think light attack might need a nerf. I had a group of 20+ all hit me with a LA and I died instantly.

    Lol, thankfully you can outrun a LA.


    I don't think i would mind slotting a gap closer only for the sake of gap closing if it didn't cost that much. Otherwise i'm kinda expecting an additional effect.
  • Demra
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    I might go for rapid manuever on my stamina builds. It costs nothing if you use it after breaking free from a CC.

    How long does the immunity lasts?
  • techprince
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    Good luck caching streaking sorcs and roll dodgers without a gap closer.
  • Drakkdjinn
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    If you play melee-only gap closers are a necessary evil but hardly OP. What makes them unbalanced is the poorly designed snare effect. Ranged players really need to take note that a class requiring a closer can’t begin to damage you without one, and actually put themselves at risk to do so, while ur in the back firing mages wrath or spamming shields or whatever, FYI something to consider
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  • VirtualElizabeth
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    @ Nightblades - Are you dropping Lotus Fan/Ambush after this change?
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  • Akinos
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    Stam gap closers were the problem because they did 2 or 3 different things at once. Nerfing a next to useless skill like toppling charge is just a death sentence for the skill. Now it's going to see even less use.

    They shouldn't go live with the nerf to magicka gap closers.
    Edited by Akinos on February 1, 2018 7:29PM
  • shinikaze
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    @ Nightblades - Are you dropping Lotus Fan/Ambush after this change?

    i became a nb because of gap closer + stealth. so... never!
  • VirtualElizabeth
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    shinikaze wrote: »
    @ Nightblades - Are you dropping Lotus Fan/Ambush after this change?

    i became a nb because of gap closer + stealth. so... never!

    I know, right? LOL
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  • Demra
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    Akinos wrote: »
    Stam gap closers were the problem because they did 2 or 3 different things at once. Nerfing a next to useless skill like toppling charge is just a death sentence for the skill. Now it's going to see even less use.

    They shouldn't go live with the nerf to magicka gap closers.

    There are more skills around that are doing a few affects at once. And gaps are not very spamable anyways.

    If you use 2h sword for dmg it kinda sucks that you have only dizzying swing for dmg. Critical can't be spammed but at least it helps. Now there is only dizzying swing and good luck to me lending it.
  • AllPlayAndNoWork
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    For closing gaps they are very good........
  • Drakkdjinn
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    Never been in a fight on either end where the stam closers were a deciding factor. Getting zerged down is getting zerged down, peeps.
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  • deepseamk20b14_ESO
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    @ Nightblades - Are you dropping Lotus Fan/Ambush after this change?

    I use ambush to gap close so...I’ll be keeping it. I’m purely melee with DW/2h so a gap closer still does what it’s intended to do for me to be in melee range. Plus ambush still has empower.
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