3 mil dps test compared to 6 mil dps test.

Splattercat_83

I know that alot of people parse on the 3 mil dummy, but I've read that the 6 mil dummy is better to get your solo dps. I can get 36k+ on the 3 mil dummy. Today I tested on the 6 mil dummy and got 35.9k the score didn't change much. Is that still a good score?

Liofa

Words of a good friend : ''3 million dummy is for tanks and healers to test their heavy attack dps''

6 million dummy takes longer to kill which makes your parse reliable in terms of sustain . First thing I look at dummy parses is resource Regen/s and Drain/s . If Drain is significantly higher than Regen , it means that parse is garbage because it's done with a rotation that is not sustainable in actual combat . Doing a 6 million dummy forces you to do a proper sustainable rotation . That's why 6 million dummy tests are better . In my opinion , DPS tests should be done on a 25 million dummy because there are few setups out there that can sustain their rotation just enough to kill a 6 million dummy without running out of resources . In other words , more health the dummy has , more legit your parse gets .

What number you get on a dummy and deciding if it is good or not depends on what kind of build you use and what class you are . For example , a Stamblade can reach really high numbers because they have the best self buffs while a StamDK will have lower numbers . But StamDK will pull higher DPS in a long trial fight because they have more stamina sustain and they will get the same buffs from healers/tanks that Nightblade already have . This is just an example to make my point . All classes get different numbers and these number can be increased using cheese methods . Like using Lover Mundus , Eye Scream drink penetration sets , spending CP in penetration etc. In other words , things that make no sense to use in a trial environment .

If you give us your build and class , we can help you out a bit more .

Sixty5

The higher the health of the dummy you parse on, the more normalised your parse becomes.

Fir instance, if you start a 3 mill dummy fight with an ult, and then ult again just before you finish the parse, you have inflated your DPS.

On the 6 mill dummy, you ensure additional time in combat to account for extra/reduced ults in the fight.

Higher HP pool fights also let you even out your crit RNG. You can see something like a +/-10% variability of crit vs crit chance on a 3 mill fight, running the parse on a higher HP target reduces this volatility.

And finally as the post above states, it will show that your rotation is actually sustainable over a longer fight.

Izaki

Liofa wrote: »

Words of a good friend : ''3 million dummy is for tanks and healers to test their heavy attack dps''

6 million dummy takes longer to kill which makes your parse reliable in terms of sustain . First thing I look at dummy parses is resource Regen/s and Drain/s . If Drain is significantly higher than Regen , it means that parse is garbage because it's done with a rotation that is not sustainable in actual combat . Doing a 6 million dummy forces you to do a proper sustainable rotation . That's why 6 million dummy tests are better . In my opinion , DPS tests should be done on a 25 million dummy because there are few setups out there that can sustain their rotation just enough to kill a 6 million dummy without running out of resources . In other words , more health the dummy has , more legit your parse gets .

What number you get on a dummy and deciding if it is good or not depends on what kind of build you use and what class you are . For example , a Stamblade can reach really high numbers because they have the best self buffs while a StamDK will have lower numbers . But StamDK will pull higher DPS in a long trial fight because they have more stamina sustain and they will get the same buffs from healers/tanks that Nightblade already have . This is just an example to make my point . All classes get different numbers and these number can be increased using cheese methods . Like using Lover Mundus , Eye Scream drink penetration sets , spending CP in penetration etc. In other words , things that make no sense to use in a trial environment .

If you give us your build and class , we can help you out a bit more .

Agreed with everything except for the 25mil dummy part. There isn't a single boss fight in the game where you hit the boss for over 10 minutes without any sort of sustain support ^^

Splattercat_83

Liofa wrote: »

Words of a good friend : ''3 million dummy is for tanks and healers to test their heavy attack dps''

6 million dummy takes longer to kill which makes your parse reliable in terms of sustain . First thing I look at dummy parses is resource Regen/s and Drain/s . If Drain is significantly higher than Regen , it means that parse is garbage because it's done with a rotation that is not sustainable in actual combat . Doing a 6 million dummy forces you to do a proper sustainable rotation . That's why 6 million dummy tests are better . In my opinion , DPS tests should be done on a 25 million dummy because there are few setups out there that can sustain their rotation just enough to kill a 6 million dummy without running out of resources . In other words , more health the dummy has , more legit your parse gets .

What number you get on a dummy and deciding if it is good or not depends on what kind of build you use and what class you are . For example , a Stamblade can reach really high numbers because they have the best self buffs while a StamDK will have lower numbers . But StamDK will pull higher DPS in a long trial fight because they have more stamina sustain and they will get the same buffs from healers/tanks that Nightblade already have . This is just an example to make my point . All classes get different numbers and these number can be increased using cheese methods . Like using Lover Mundus , Eye Scream drink penetration sets , spending CP in penetration etc. In other words , things that make no sense to use in a trial environment .

If you give us your build and class , we can help you out a bit more .

Did it solo self applied ele drain.
max cp dunmer MagBlade
X5 Julianos
X4 Moondancer
X2 Valkyn Skoria

Using witch mothers potent brew

Apprentice mundus stone

As far my cp im running a little higher into spell erosion than I would in my group to aid in penetration for the solo parse. In raid i pull points out of spell erosion put them into elemental expert and master at arms.

jakeedmundson

Splattercat_83 wrote: »

I know that alot of people parse on the 3 mil dummy, but I've read that the 6 mil dummy is better to get your solo dps. I can get 36k+ on the 3 mil dummy. Today I tested on the 6 mil dummy and got 35.9k the score didn't change much. Is that still a good score?

Liofa made good points.. but to add to it and specifically answer your question...

Yes, that is still very good dps to hit. People put too much stress on which dummy to use but basically, if you don't have sustain issues on the 3 mil dummy, you can get a very similar parse on the 6 mil dummy.

You're doing just fine numbers wise.

pizzaow

The dummy test I really want to see, is how you deal with mechanics and still dish out DPS... I want you to burn the dummy down to 50%, then turn around and take down a precursor, after he's dead do figure 8s around 2 posts while finishing off the original dummy.

Splattercat_83

I can keep my rotation pretty much constant while in an actual fight. The only time it deviates is if i have to roll dodge, block, interupt, or move away from the fight (think bombs on rakhat) or res someone. Its not hard once you get really comfortable with your rotation. Dps will always differ from the target dummy.

I've seen people say that dps test on dummies don't matter that you dont have to deal with mechanics or "dummies dont hit back". It's usually people that are salty because the dummy will expose their 10k dps, or they dont have the coordination to do or keep up their rotation WHILE doing the mechanics.

Id rather have a 35k dps on a dummy pulling 30k in a dungeon or trial that a 10k dps doing 5k in a fight.

DoctorESO

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Runefang

If your magicka/stam drain is almost equal to your regen it doesn't really matter if you do the 3m or 6m dummy. The only point worth making is that depending on the length of the test you might get 3 ultis on a 3m dummy but only 5 on a 6m. That naturally makes your 3m dummy parse look better.

The real reason parses are 'cheesed' is because people want to know what your dps in a vet trial is going to be. They can only know that if you simulate the conditions as best as you can, of course you need to do this solo because you're not going to get a full raid group behind you. So you buff your penetration CP and run selfish sets instead of your actual trial gear.

Everybody does this so we can compare apples to apples as closely as we can. If everybody just ran their actual trial gear and CP set up the results between classes would become much more varied.

By the way your score is just fine, you'd make it into basically any core trial team except in the top few guilds.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

If you run a sustainable and consistent rotation, you should see very little difference between a 3 million and 6 million health dummy. Sustainable and Consistent is what you want in a trial, so that is a good thing. The problem is that people will run a non sustainable burst rotation on 3 million dummies that over inflate their DPS where they essentially plan every step of the 75 seconds or so and end the fight totally out of resources. That is why people like 6 million parses because they are harder to cheese.

Just an example, on a 3 million health dummy on my NB, I can sustain without heavy attacks and only casting siphoning strikes once pre-fight, so it has no negative impact on my DPS. On a 6 million health dummy, I need to cast it 2 more times during the fight or I run out of resources. Not a huge difference, but little things like this add up.