Outfit dying is NOT free for ESO plus members?...

Thealteregoroman

but my costume is?



I don't get why we must be charged for outfit dying...when I can change colors on my costumes whenever I want...free...

I can also change colors on my crafted gear...free...

as long as I have ESO PLUS...



Something is not adding up here for me...

so as a community we need to "come together, right now...over me" and discuss how this slipped through the cracks

So how you feelin, what you think?



This can't launch with this update...

LadyLavina

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

but my costume is?

I don't get why we must be charged for outfit dying...when I can change colors on my costumes whenever I want...free...

I can also change colors on my crafted gear...free...

as long as I have ESO PLUS...

Something is not adding up here for me...

So how you feelin, what you think?

This can't launch with this update...

I haven't really been following this. Do you have a link good sir?

xaraan

Because they want to 'encourage' people to buy outfit change tokens instead of blowing a bunch of gold to use the new nice styles and best dyes. As with any company - follow the money.

Sweetpea704

Not sure why they are charging at all. You know how much money I've spent learning all those motifs? You know how much time I've spent pickpocketing NPCs, doing trials, doing dailies, and how much AP I've spent ALL to get MOTIFS?? In addition, I've been a plus member sinch 2015!! I've paid enough. #makecraftinggreatagain

Cadbury

I would have liked it to be free for everyone, but sadly it's not up to me.

Thealteregoroman

LadyLavina wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

but my costume is?

I don't get why we must be charged for outfit dying...when I can change colors on my costumes whenever I want...free...

I can also change colors on my crafted gear...free...

as long as I have ESO PLUS...

Something is not adding up here for me...

So how you feelin, what you think?

This can't launch with this update...

I haven't really been following this. Do you have a link good sir?

@LadyDestiny It was said in this stream...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDbzTZDflC8&t=2795s

He says it at 43:05

NewBlacksmurf

If I can be honest.
Why are you and anyone else OK paying for ESO plus to dye something you already paid for??? Never made any sense but definately wouldn’t ask to pay double

KingYogi415

So they are rolling back how it works right now?

Shady...

Thealteregoroman

Sweetpea704 wrote: »

Not sure why they are charging at all. You know how much money I've spent learning all those motifs? You know how much time I've spent pickpocketing NPCs, doing trials, doing dailies, and how much AP I've spent ALL to get MOTIFS?? In addition, I've been a plus member sinch 2015!! I've paid enough. #makecraftinggreatagain

@Sweetpea704 same here!

NewBlacksmurf

KingYogi415 wrote: »

So they are rolling back how it works right now?

Shady...

No, the OP is touching on the new feature that allows players to “craft” a cosmetic slot. It costs gold, costumes remain unchanged.

Thealteregoroman

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

If I can be honest.
Why are you and anyone else OK paying for ESO plus to dye something you already paid for??? Never made any sense but definately wouldn’t ask to pay double

@NewBlacksmurf I am gagging!!!



didn't think about that.

Sevalaricgirl

I don't plan to use their outfitting. I just make the armor I want for my people or use an outfit that I can dye free. I'm not paying gold.

Thealteregoroman

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

I don't plan to use their outfitting. I just make the armor I want for my people or use an outfit that I can dye free. I'm not paying gold.

@Sevalaricgirl




I see you...

Sevalaricgirl

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

I don't plan to use their outfitting. I just make the armor I want for my people or use an outfit that I can dye free. I'm not paying gold.

@Sevalaricgirl




I see you...

I meant their new system. I have almost every outfit sold in the crown store. I can throw one on them or just make them all outlaw armor or mercenary armor. Dye it all black and be happy.

Acrolas

There have never been ESO+ perks attached to Update 17 other than access to the Dragon Bones dungeons.

You can either use a different appearance option, use the outfit system sparingly, or use outfit tokens. And like housing storage, outfits are an evergreen feature so there's no rush or expectation to complete everything immediately the first week of release.

NewBlacksmurf

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

If I can be honest.
Why are you and anyone else OK paying for ESO plus to dye something you already paid for??? Never made any sense but definately wouldn’t ask to pay double

@NewBlacksmurf I am gagging!!!



didn't think about that.

I’ve been saying it since release among other eso plus “benefits” that aren’t “benefits”

Let’s recap
You pay a sub for crowns and “benefits”
But the “benefits” are only “benefits” if you’re trying out DLC, everything else you’re paying extra for.

Extra in terms of
-paid costume isn’t free with eso plus, but required after you buy to dye it

-paid dlc isn’t free but rental access is 1500/month but no dlc exceeds 1500 crowns

-crafting bag gives a huge bank and inventory increase (it’s not free tho especially if you paid for mount, bank upgrades, even if it was gold)

This eso plus stuff is only ideal for people who didn’t take the time to understand the program, or who’ve convinced themselves they are “supporting the devs” which is odd cause you can support the devs buying crowns outside of eso plus

Or the now popular, I can’t play without a crafting bag....but crafting and writs are typically top tier so why are you holding onto that other junk. Give it to a guild or a friend


Just saying....one day I broke it and down and realized.....WHAT WAS I THINKING

akredon_ESO

OK.... just to make sure we are clear...

Costumes are free to dye if you are an ESO member.

Outfits are going to cost Gold To change for Style, Color ect, And you have to use Crown points to purchase additional slots ?

If all this is correct. Then whats the big deal ? the out fit system is a bit different then a costume

NewBlacksmurf

akredon_ESO wrote: »

OK.... just to make sure we are clear...

Costumes are free to dye if you are an ESO member.

Outfits are going to cost Gold To change for Style, Color ect, And you have to use Crown points to purchase additional slots ?

If all this is correct. Then whats the big deal ? the out fit system is a bit different then a costume

@akredon_ESO
I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but it’s a money grab.

They’ve artificially set high gold prices for what literally crafting. As a 9 trait crafter, it should cost some material cause it’s crafting. Why am I paying gold for something I already can do and who am I paying the gold to?

Even better why can’t i make gold off others vs ZOS getting gold and crowns?
(Oh and....motifs cost crowns but to gain extra artwork slots i have to pay more crowns)

NewBlacksmurf

akredon_ESO wrote: »

OK.... just to make sure we are clear...

Costumes are free to dye if you are an ESO member.

Outfits are going to cost Gold To change for Style, Color ect, And you have to use Crown points to purchase additional slots ?

If all this is correct. Then whats the big deal ? the out fit system is a bit different then a costume

Part 2....

So as a crafter everyone will just ask for the basic motif items for trait crafting. Cause they can get their own motifs to change the look.....and it’s a lot cheaper for mats, etc.

So wait i spent over a year gaining 9 trait and years gaining motifs .....only to be undercut by ZOS

That’s the reality crafting profit is 100% dead

Soon not yet....

N00BxV1

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

This can't launch with this update...

Sweetpea704

Cadbury wrote: »

I would have liked it to be free for everyone, but sadly it's not up to me.

There is more to "cost" than money. I spent 9 months becoming a 9 trait crafter, which ZOS has made nearly worthless. Nobody asks me to create gear anymore because of proc sets. I don't really notice any great amazing increase in Master Writs from my toon that knows EVERY motif or knows EVERY trait. Now, I have to PAY for the outfits after all that? It is like telling someone who makes all their own clothes that they still have to buy Armani and pay Armani prices. #makecraftinggreatagain

Elsonso

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So as a crafter everyone will just ask for the basic motif items for trait crafting. Cause they can get their own motifs to change the look.....and it’s a lot cheaper for mats, etc.

So wait i spent over a year gaining 9 trait and years gaining motifs .....only to be undercut by ZOS

That’s the reality crafting profit is 100% dead

Crafting has been moving towards a personal activity for a while now. You craft for yourself. I expect that a future revision of crafting will remove styles, along with all those style materials. As you say, we will craft some generic equipment and Outfits will define how it looks.

Linaleah

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

If I can be honest.
Why are you and anyone else OK paying for ESO plus to dye something you already paid for??? Never made any sense but definately wouldn’t ask to pay double

@NewBlacksmurf I am gagging!!!



didn't think about that.

I’ve been saying it since release among other eso plus “benefits” that aren’t “benefits”

Let’s recap
You pay a sub for crowns and “benefits”
But the “benefits” are only “benefits” if you’re trying out DLC, everything else you’re paying extra for.

Extra in terms of
-paid costume isn’t free with eso plus, but required after you buy to dye it

-paid dlc isn’t free but rental access is 1500/month but no dlc exceeds 1500 crowns

-crafting bag gives a huge bank and inventory increase (it’s not free tho especially if you paid for mount, bank upgrades, even if it was gold)

This eso plus stuff is only ideal for people who didn’t take the time to understand the program, or who’ve convinced themselves they are “supporting the devs” which is odd cause you can support the devs buying crowns outside of eso plus

Or the now popular, I can’t play without a crafting bag....but crafting and writs are typically top tier so why are you holding onto that other junk. Give it to a guild or a friend


Just saying....one day I broke it and down and realized.....WHAT WAS I THINKING

not all costumes are bought, some are earned in game.
double the furnishing limits is enough of a reason for me, it may or may not be an actual perk, but ESO plus is the only way to get it. should it be baseline? maybe. maybe not. those maybies however, don't matter in a face of the situation as it is right now.

I am a hoarder when it comes to rpg's. always have been. always will be. I'm also an altoholic. its nice to know that if I want to craft random leveling gear for alts - I can do it at a drop of a hat. its nice to know that I have those mats if I might need them. its nice to know that even with trying to clear out my stashes, i don't have to worry as much about space.

yes, I know I'm renting DLC's. however, if I look at buying crowns regularly - subscribing makes more sense. it means i don't have to worry about spending them on DLC and instead can spend them on any an all crown store shinies I might be interested in. yes, crown sales are nice., they are also few and far in between.

ESo plus is ideal for people like me. it may not be ideal for people like you. that's fine. but please don't you presume to tell me that people like me are either too stupid to understand what we are getting or are for some reason - wrong in our decision of how to support developers. choices, amirite?

VexingArcanist

Someone was bored and scoured the internet for gifs....

It's a gold sink. Remind me of what your issue is with that again? It's like you are suggesting it's a Crown sink.

QuebraRegra

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

but my costume is?



I don't get why we must be charged for outfit dying...when I can change colors on my costumes whenever I want...free...

I can also change colors on my crafted gear...free...

as long as I have ESO PLUS...



Something is not adding up here for me...

so as a community we need to "come together, right now...over me" and discuss how this slipped through the cracks

So how you feelin, what you think?



This can't launch with this update...

all this, and more... just sooo on point. Somebody wake up ZOS!

NewBlacksmurf

Linaleah wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

If I can be honest.
Why are you and anyone else OK paying for ESO plus to dye something you already paid for??? Never made any sense but definately wouldn’t ask to pay double

@NewBlacksmurf I am gagging!!!



didn't think about that.

I’ve been saying it since release among other eso plus “benefits” that aren’t “benefits”

Let’s recap
You pay a sub for crowns and “benefits”
But the “benefits” are only “benefits” if you’re trying out DLC, everything else you’re paying extra for.

Extra in terms of
-paid costume isn’t free with eso plus, but required after you buy to dye it

-paid dlc isn’t free but rental access is 1500/month but no dlc exceeds 1500 crowns

-crafting bag gives a huge bank and inventory increase (it’s not free tho especially if you paid for mount, bank upgrades, even if it was gold)

This eso plus stuff is only ideal for people who didn’t take the time to understand the program, or who’ve convinced themselves they are “supporting the devs” which is odd cause you can support the devs buying crowns outside of eso plus

Or the now popular, I can’t play without a crafting bag....but crafting and writs are typically top tier so why are you holding onto that other junk. Give it to a guild or a friend


Just saying....one day I broke it and down and realized.....WHAT WAS I THINKING

not all costumes are bought, some are earned in game.
double the furnishing limits is enough of a reason for me, it may or may not be an actual perk, but ESO plus is the only way to get it. should it be baseline? maybe. maybe not. those maybies however, don't matter in a face of the situation as it is right now.

I am a hoarder when it comes to rpg's. always have been. always will be. I'm also an altoholic. its nice to know that if I want to craft random leveling gear for alts - I can do it at a drop of a hat. its nice to know that I have those mats if I might need them. its nice to know that even with trying to clear out my stashes, i don't have to worry as much about space.

yes, I know I'm renting DLC's. however, if I look at buying crowns regularly - subscribing makes more sense. it means i don't have to worry about spending them on DLC and instead can spend them on any an all crown store shinies I might be interested in. yes, crown sales are nice., they are also few and far in between.

ESo plus is ideal for people like me. it may not be ideal for people like you. that's fine. but please don't you presume to tell me that people like me are either too stupid to understand what we are getting or are for some reason - wrong in our decision of how to support developers. choices, amirite?

@Linaleah
It’s no problem if you are ok with it.

Technically all are purchased tho, you access them from buying the game, buying dlc or buying crowns. The achievements to unlock aren’t available otherwise without the purchase
I have many unlocked and crown outfits. Maaaannnyuy so guess what i did eso free weekend....ddddyyyeeeessss

I’m saying in general the “eso plus needs more benefits crowd” that it doesn’t make sense financially.
I’m not saying you are stupid, I’m am saying financially it’s not a good decision. That’s not really an opinion considering the financial options available for the game. I’m not trying to offend anyone but the fact is, it’s not smart given the options.

It’s similar to renting an expensive place to stay vs buying. It is what it is, but people will choose for themselves.

Nerouyn

xaraan wrote: »

Because they want to 'encourage' people to buy outfit change tokens instead of blowing a bunch of gold to use the new nice styles and best dyes. As with any company - follow the money.

Not just that. Also additional outfit slots.

How do I get more Outfits Slots?

If you want to be able to have more than one custom Outfit available at any one time, you can acquire additional Outfit Slots from the in-game Crown Store.

You can find additional Outfit Slots within the Crafting section, and you can have up to 10 Outfit Slots on any one character. Note that new Outfit Slots are not shared with the other characters on your account.

If changing outfit dyes or styles didn't cost gold, most players would just use the one outfit slot and visit the outfit station when they wanted to change.

Vapirko

Motif changes should cost gold or style item, that makes sense. You’ve always been paying for creating a certain look through use of materials and style items.

Paying for the dyes though it’s complete bs. The vast majority of dyes have always been achievement based, and never cost money. Making them cost money now is so dumb. I really really hope ZOS rolls back that idea.

NewBlacksmurf

Nerouyn wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Because they want to 'encourage' people to buy outfit change tokens instead of blowing a bunch of gold to use the new nice styles and best dyes. As with any company - follow the money.

Not just that. Also additional outfit slots.

How do I get more Outfits Slots?

If you want to be able to have more than one custom Outfit available at any one time, you can acquire additional Outfit Slots from the in-game Crown Store.

You can find additional Outfit Slots within the Crafting section, and you can have up to 10 Outfit Slots on any one character. Note that new Outfit Slots are not shared with the other characters on your account.

If changing outfit dyes or styles didn't cost gold, most players would just use the one outfit slot and visit the outfit station when they wanted to change.

Ughh yeah cause that’s how it should work

WHY would the game charge us for something we learned to do. We’ve been dyeing crafted armor for years....why the change and who the heck are we paying?

Appleblade

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

It’s similar to renting an expensive place to stay vs buying.

Well, other than four orders of magnitude. Unlike rent, ESO+ is a trivial expense to some.

ErinGoBrag520

I'm still upset that I can't use my crown store purchased motifs for free (I have all the crown mimic stones too!)!