Seventh nerf

Mustard

Goodbye seventh and hello Fury again

Daedric_NB_187

Link?

VaranisArano

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391220/pts-patch-notes-v3-3-2#latest

"Seventh Legion Brute: This Item Set’s proc now has a 2 second cooldown.
Developer Comment:
This set was scaling too effectively when fighting more than one opponent; the short cooldown brings the set more in line with what was originally intended."

ak_pvp

Its pretty much only the heal. The weapon damage is still 100%

technohic

So if a nerf is every 2 seconds, how often was this procing? Multiple times a second?

Jake1576

At least it's a start

Aedaryl

technohic wrote: »

So if a nerf is every 2 seconds, how often was this procing? Multiple times a second?

No cooldown, on the heal, so the more people was hitting you, the more you was healed.

Here is something helping a bit in the 1h&S block meta.

Vaoh

technohic wrote: »

So if a nerf is every 2 seconds, how often was this procing? Multiple times a second?

Yup. Weapon Damage stays the same but you no longer get huge heals from the set due to the lack of an internal cooldown.

Durham

This will further setback DKs

Vaoh

Durham wrote: »

This will further setback DKs

Well it'll set back the playstyle of 2H+1H/S that has started to grow overtime and that most players tend to not like.

There are still many good sets which includes Seventh. Now you just won't get tons of free heals though from it.

Ragnarock41

ak_pvp wrote: »

Its pretty much only the heal. The weapon damage is still 100%

and if you want weapon damage, truth is straight upgrade over seventh.

Sixty5

7th has been a set that works on any and every stam build, I've got no issues with it being toned down a tad, especially in the healing department.

Karm1cOne

This plus the fix to defile on troll king will help the HA meta.

arkansas_ESO

You'll still have 100% uptime with this, this nerf didn't kill the 5k weapon damage in heavy builds at all. Troll King being affected by Defile did more to hurt heavy than anything else this incremental

TimeDazzler

Dang I just golded this out earlier today for 120k gold. Still I don't think the set will be useless, still gives an insane amount of wep dmg when 1vX'ing and the heal is just an added bonus imo.

Waffennacht

It's still good, now it's not OP

Ragnarock41

Waffennacht wrote: »

It's still good, now it's not OP

agreed, but I doubt people will stop crying about it.

NoFlash

this just means a tad more LoS/kiting for the user. 4 secs would have made a bigger impact.

CatchMeTrolling

Who used the set because of the heal, it seems like a nonsensical change regardless. If anything this would only hurt people using it for 1vx purposes so what's there to celebrate.

Thogard

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Who used the set because of the heal, it seems like a nonsensical change regardless. If anything this would only hurt people using it for 1vx purposes so what's there to celebrate.

Everyone?

If you wanted wep dmg there were better sets... this set was good because of the heal.

Asardes

I never used the set, nor do I plan on using it. With 1H+S on a bar you can be tanky enough even in medium armor and realistically stack 4.2K+ weapon damage outside of Cyrodiil (can be as high as 5K with external buffing and enemy offensive scrolls in Cyrodiil but that's conditional). Being in medium also means I can pick Rally instead of Forward Momentum for the extra heal, and also be able to use Shuffle. The resistance mitigation difference between 1L/5M/1H or 0/5M/2H and 1L/1M/5H or 0L/2M/5H is only 6-8%, and lower in absolute terms, if you count CP and potentially racial passives. In any case the nerf was a welcome change. Also the increase critical chance (4.5% - Dexterity) and the extra weapon damage (12% - Agility passive) are about the same as the increased healing (8% Rapid Mending) if you use mainly Vigor and Rally for heals, but they cost less (-6% Wind Walker). And reaching the resistance cap in medium is viable as of Clockwork City, by using Fortified Brass set. Just as many others have said, heavy wasn't the problem, but rather a few specific sets.

Emmagoldman

2 seconds....................
One
Two

Vapirko

The cooldown barely does anything. I like this set as a dw stam sorc for kicks. Don’t care for it as a serious set.

Amdar_Godkiller

I think I figured that it should proc about 50% of the time every 6-7 times you take damage, which can be done with a single rending slashes weave (axe bleed, ability bleed, enchantment 1, enchantment 2, ability direct damage, Light attack direct damage, proc, etc).

So the odds that it would proc more than once every 2 seconds was pretty high in any situation where you'd be facing more than one attacker, and still fairly high 1 v 1.

CatchMeTrolling

Thogard wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Who used the set because of the heal, it seems like a nonsensical change regardless. If anything this would only hurt people using it for 1vx purposes so what's there to celebrate.

Everyone?

If you wanted wep dmg there were better sets... this set was good because of the heal.

The heal is minuscule and isn't saving anyone by itself. It's something to add to vigor ticks but alone it isn't saving you vs any competent player nor will it save you if you get caught with your vigor down. I'm pretty sure I know how to stay alive and turtle more than most and I'm telling you if someone was relying on it they could've also done better.

What made the set good is because you have to do little to gain a lot, where other sets you have to actually do something like burn resources. Which is silly for 1vxing but all I'm getting from this post is anti 1vx. Because no one has ever complained about a zerger using 7th. 7th isn't bis in general everyone just complains because it's fotm, there's also better back bar sets than werewolf.

technohic

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Who used the set because of the heal, it seems like a nonsensical change regardless. If anything this would only hurt people using it for 1vx purposes so what's there to celebrate.

Everyone?

If you wanted wep dmg there were better sets... this set was good because of the heal.

The heal is minuscule and isn't saving anyone by itself. It's something to add to vigor ticks but alone it isn't saving you vs any competent player nor will it save you if you get caught with your vigor down. I'm pretty sure I know how to stay alive and turtle more than most and I'm telling you if someone was relying on it they could've also done better.

What made the set good is because you have to do little to gain a lot, where other sets you have to actually do something like burn resources. Which is silly for 1vxing but all I'm getting from this post is anti 1vx. Because no one has ever complained about a zerger using 7th. 7th isn't bis in general everyone just complains because it's fotm, there's also better back bar sets than werewolf.

Think it had a lot to do with that in combination with Troll King. Still not sure that it helps that much with the guys that might actually survive what they do. Still a lot more to it than just 7th and Troll king.

CatchMeTrolling

technohic wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Who used the set because of the heal, it seems like a nonsensical change regardless. If anything this would only hurt people using it for 1vx purposes so what's there to celebrate.

Everyone?

If you wanted wep dmg there were better sets... this set was good because of the heal.

The heal is minuscule and isn't saving anyone by itself. It's something to add to vigor ticks but alone it isn't saving you vs any competent player nor will it save you if you get caught with your vigor down. I'm pretty sure I know how to stay alive and turtle more than most and I'm telling you if someone was relying on it they could've also done better.

What made the set good is because you have to do little to gain a lot, where other sets you have to actually do something like burn resources. Which is silly for 1vxing but all I'm getting from this post is anti 1vx. Because no one has ever complained about a zerger using 7th. 7th isn't bis in general everyone just complains because it's fotm, there's also better back bar sets than werewolf.

Think it had a lot to do with that in combination with Troll King. Still not sure that it helps that much with the guys that might actually survive what they do. Still a lot more to it than just 7th and Troll king.

Well troll king is really strong but I feel like people often use it when they’re in medium unless it’s a stam sorc. Maybe it’s just me because I prefer blood-spawn even in medium unless it’s a stamplar.

There’s also weapon damage, armor and cp that buff heals. I’m not sure if weapon damage plays a role in the heal but I wouldn’t be surprised.

This is almost like when people said Templars are “op” but everything that made them “op” weren’t even Templar exclusive, it’s usually more to it.

Lexxypwns

Actually, there’s no reason to run 7th legion anymore at all.

@CatchMeTrolling 7th outheals Forward momentum, lingering pots, and does similar healing to vigor when you’re being offensive

CatchMeTrolling

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Actually, there’s no reason to run 7th legion anymore at all.

CatchMeTrolling 7th outheals Forward momentum, lingering pots, and does similar healing to vigor when you’re being offensive

I don’t know man, I’ve been in open world getting smacked left and right but never considered the heal op because without the heal I’d still kite and los the same way. So when you think about it I’m doing the most to avoid damage when there’s 10 plus people chasing me. But there’s times I’ve let people hit me just to see the heal that gives and it wasn’t anything crazy.

I can see if people said when it’s combined with multiple sources of healing it’s good because that’s like rapid regen, leeching and pollen being really good when you combine them.

Anti_Virus

Cries wrote: »

Dang I just golded this out earlier today for 120k gold. Still I don't think the set will be useless, still gives an insane amount of wep dmg when 1vX'ing and the heal is just an added bonus imo.

Your name is how I feel about thia nerf.

Ragnarock41

Thogard wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Who used the set because of the heal, it seems like a nonsensical change regardless. If anything this would only hurt people using it for 1vx purposes so what's there to celebrate.

Everyone?

If you wanted wep dmg there were better sets... this set was good because of the heal.

they will be most likely crying about truth set next patch. wait for it

I knew after all this crying seventh would get a nerf, but I'm glad zos didn't totally destroy the set.