SilverIce58 wrote: »AngelFires333 wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »AngelFires333 wrote: »I really do think Peryite could do some pretty big damage. Just look at how devastating the Khenaten Flu, and the Thrassian plague before that.
I remember doing Skyrim's quest for Peryite and just feeling very aghast at how nonchalant the NPC's were about the whole thing. My characters probably did that quest just to make sure every one of them died so as to not risk the rest of the world getting infected, rather than to help Peryite or his followers.
Yes,
But death is an illusion.
Take the fear of death away from mortals and what power has he?
He could curse you to live with a plague that doesn't kill you but ultimately cripples you until you're nothing but a half-paralyzed torso, crawling everywhere at a pace that's slower than a mudcrab for starters.
(you get an awesome for that img)
I mean, everyone thinks Peryite to be the weakest Prince, but if you actually thought about it, if he took the time away from managing every single Daedric realm, and just created the ultimate super-virus that not even the Argonians could resist, he'd be pretty feared.
xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »@ZOS_Chris clearly Hermaeus Mora, knowledge counters everything thus knowledge is the strongest power one can grasp.
SilverIce58 wrote: »
She's very powerful and helped the ESO hero defeat Molag Bal. She even moved a city (Hollow City) inside Molag Bal's domain (Cold Harbor). No one has ever defeated her (lore experts, correct me if I'm wrong).
SilverIce58 wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »
She's very powerful and helped the ESO hero defeat Molag Bal. She even moved a city (Hollow City) inside Molag Bal's domain (Cold Harbor). No one has ever defeated her (lore experts, correct me if I'm wrong).
Meridia is one of the few Daedric Princes who is usually not considered to be wholly evil. So, no, she has not been defeated. (Some lore theorists say that Molag Bal stole The Hollow City from Meridia and placed it in Coldharbour bc he is in love with her, which, if you knew how weird lore actually gets, it could make sense)
Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »
She's very powerful and helped the ESO hero defeat Molag Bal. She even moved a city (Hollow City) inside Molag Bal's domain (Cold Harbor). No one has ever defeated her (lore experts, correct me if I'm wrong).
Meridia is one of the few Daedric Princes who is usually not considered to be wholly evil. So, no, she has not been defeated. (Some lore theorists say that Molag Bal stole The Hollow City from Meridia and placed it in Coldharbour bc he is in love with her, which, if you knew how weird lore actually gets, it could make sense)
I think I would believe Meridia over him, but I can imagine that such a twisted personality as Molag Bal could possibly tolerate her placing the Hollow City in his domain just to mentally tell himself hes closer to her this way.
SilverIce58 wrote: »
She's very powerful and helped the ESO hero defeat Molag Bal. She even moved a city (Hollow City) inside Molag Bal's domain (Cold Harbor). No one has ever defeated her (lore experts, correct me if I'm wrong).
VaranisArano wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »
She's very powerful and helped the ESO hero defeat Molag Bal. She even moved a city (Hollow City) inside Molag Bal's domain (Cold Harbor). No one has ever defeated her (lore experts, correct me if I'm wrong).
I don't know if she's ever been defeated herself. But my Lord Crusader of the Knights of the Nine donned the armor and weapons of the Divines granted to Pelinal Whitestrake and with the blessing of Talos, wiped the floor with her champion Umaril the Unfeathered.The floor is metaphorical, it was actually the sky above the White Gold Tower, but who's counting?
SilverIce58 wrote: »There is a theory out there about Peryite just being considered weak among mortals because most of his concerns are about his vast planes in Oblivion. There is a reference somewhere that Daedric princes should stay within their spheres unless they want to end up like "you know who". I tried to google it up to check what the argument was why this refered to Peryite and not Jyggalag, but got lazy.
Eitherway, it goes something like this: Peryite used to step out of his sphere and conquer other planes of Oblivion, which is why he is called "the taskmaster", which not only describes how he treats mortals but also his fellow Daedra. However, with so many planes to keep the natural order in, Nirn just can't be his highest priority anymore if he wants to keep his influence in the planes of Oblivion, making him appear as "the weakest among the Daedric princes" as mortals judge strength by influence on their lives. He is basically stuck where he is, as long as he doesn't want other princes to swoop in and divide his realm up again.
There's a great piece of Apocrypha on the TESLore reddit about Peryite: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/5zrwpz/but_why_worship_peryite_an_answer/
There is not a “strongest” Daedric prince because they all together form a finely tuned balance. The plots, schemes and wars of Oblivion - mostly unknown to the dwellers of Tamriel - make sure that no real overlord emerges, and that the desire for domination keeps the princes in check.
It cannot be otherwise because every prince is “strongest” in his own domain whereas weakened in the domain of another prince. Meridia says “In this world of in-between my power is stronger” when she helps destroying the Planar Vortex. This is only possible because the Vortex is not fully Molag Bal’s domain of Oblivion, because he merges it with Nirn. The Hollow City follows the same principle - a place ripped from Nirn and thus not of the substance of Oblivion which means lesser control of the domain owner.
These restrictions make sure no real dominance can be gained and thus make it necessary to contend for the dominance of Tamriel, as it’s essentially the only way a Daedric prince can establish an advantage over his fellows. Strongest then would be who emerges as lord of Tamriel. But again, the plans and schemes and different interests make it unlikely this will ever happen.
So no, there is no “strongest” Daedric prince.
Blasphemy! That’s nothing but a fabrication! Barbas only appears to have his own will. Clavicus Vile’s power is incomprehensible!AngelFires333 wrote: »ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »Clavicus Vile is the only correct answer! He’s the Prince of Wishes, Bargains, and Power
Clavicus Vile: "Oh, if I had my full power, granting that would be trivial. I'd simply snap my fingers, and everyone in Skyrim would die! War resolved!”
No way any of the other Princes can do that.
He can not even control his dog.
Let alone the power of creation. lol
SilverIce58 wrote: »There is not a “strongest” Daedric prince because they all together form a finely tuned balance. The plots, schemes and wars of Oblivion - mostly unknown to the dwellers of Tamriel - make sure that no real overlord emerges, and that the desire for domination keeps the princes in check.
It cannot be otherwise because every prince is “strongest” in his own domain whereas weakened in the domain of another prince. Meridia says “In this world of in-between my power is stronger” when she helps destroying the Planar Vortex. This is only possible because the Vortex is not fully Molag Bal’s domain of Oblivion, because he merges it with Nirn. The Hollow City follows the same principle - a place ripped from Nirn and thus not of the substance of Oblivion which means lesser control of the domain owner.
These restrictions make sure no real dominance can be gained and thus make it necessary to contend for the dominance of Tamriel, as it’s essentially the only way a Daedric prince can establish an advantage over his fellows. Strongest then would be who emerges as lord of Tamriel. But again, the plans and schemes and different interests make it unlikely this will ever happen.
So no, there is no “strongest” Daedric prince.
Wow, you're fun at parties. Don't you think it's more fun to discuss what makes each Prince strongest in their field, rather than saying "they're all the same strength because it makes them equal."
SilverIce58 wrote: »There is not a “strongest” Daedric prince because they all together form a finely tuned balance. The plots, schemes and wars of Oblivion - mostly unknown to the dwellers of Tamriel - make sure that no real overlord emerges, and that the desire for domination keeps the princes in check.
It cannot be otherwise because every prince is “strongest” in his own domain whereas weakened in the domain of another prince. Meridia says “In this world of in-between my power is stronger” when she helps destroying the Planar Vortex. This is only possible because the Vortex is not fully Molag Bal’s domain of Oblivion, because he merges it with Nirn. The Hollow City follows the same principle - a place ripped from Nirn and thus not of the substance of Oblivion which means lesser control of the domain owner.
These restrictions make sure no real dominance can be gained and thus make it necessary to contend for the dominance of Tamriel, as it’s essentially the only way a Daedric prince can establish an advantage over his fellows. Strongest then would be who emerges as lord of Tamriel. But again, the plans and schemes and different interests make it unlikely this will ever happen.
So no, there is no “strongest” Daedric prince.
Wow, you're fun at parties. Don't you think it's more fun to discuss what makes each Prince strongest in their field, rather than saying "they're all the same strength because it makes them equal."
You’re free to believe anything that fits your fancies. If you think Molag Bal is the strongest because he has the biggest mace, so be it. It’s just not correct if you consider the lore, but in a world where alternate facts - meaning truth is what you want to believe - are a thing now that’s insignificant.
SilverIce58 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »
She's very powerful and helped the ESO hero defeat Molag Bal. She even moved a city (Hollow City) inside Molag Bal's domain (Cold Harbor). No one has ever defeated her (lore experts, correct me if I'm wrong).
I don't know if she's ever been defeated herself. But my Lord Crusader of the Knights of the Nine donned the armor and weapons of the Divines granted to Pelinal Whitestrake and with the blessing of Talos, wiped the floor with her champion Umaril the Unfeathered.The floor is metaphorical, it was actually the sky above the White Gold Tower, but who's counting?
Actually, Umaril was defeated twice. The second time by the Champion of Cyrodiil, and the first time by Pelinal Whitestrake while Pelinal was bleeding out. I mean, Pelinal died soon after, but still can you imagine having a champion so weak that he was killed by an already dying man.
ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »Clavicus Vile is the only correct answer! He’s the Prince of Wishes, Bargains, and Power
Clavicus Vile: "Oh, if I had my full power, granting that would be trivial. I'd simply snap my fingers, and everyone in Skyrim would die! War resolved!”
No way any of the other Princes can do that.
..........................the answer depends on what is meant by the question.
Presumably one does not envision all 17 princes gathering in a circle and having a knock-out arm-wrestling tournament with each other. Or a knock-out backgammon tournament, for that matter. So there must be some criteria by which to rank the princes.
For example, suppose the criteria read something like "greatest number of mortal prayers/followers". Arguably, Azura would be high in the running, as the one prince who fosters a "good" image (i.e. cultists pray to whoever, but ordinary people would pray to Azura). Meridia too, possibly.
If, on the other hand, it were "greatest physical impact on Tamriel", then, well, we have entire games driven by the struggle against this or that prince. Molag Bal and Dagon would be out in front, in other words, with a few others closely by (depending on the region).
If, on the third hand (!), one were to take the long view, then unquestionably Jyggalag, who, and I quote, "has taken account of every detail of the world and of every action that has ever taken place on Mundus or Oblivion, long before they actually happened" - and was so powerful to begin with that "the other Daedric Princes had grown fearful and jealous of him". In other words, he's the only one to go up against all other princes, and even when he "lost" (got turned into Uncle Sheo), he really won, because he must have foreseen the whole thing.
And, of course, where would we be without Uncle Sheo, who, per "16 Accords of Madness" has bested every single other prince by virtue of his...unorthodoxy. And happens to be Jyggalag in (forced) disguise to begin with. And - regardless of power levels - is the only prince who cannot be beaten, because to a madman the concepts of "gain" or "loss" are, shall we say, ephemeral.
ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »Blasphemy! That’s nothing but a fabrication! Barbas only appears to have his own will. Clavicus Vile’s power is incomprehensible!AngelFires333 wrote: »ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »Clavicus Vile is the only correct answer! He’s the Prince of Wishes, Bargains, and Power
Clavicus Vile: "Oh, if I had my full power, granting that would be trivial. I'd simply snap my fingers, and everyone in Skyrim would die! War resolved!”
No way any of the other Princes can do that.
He can not even control his dog.
Let alone the power of creation. lol