How about that 1 Account Locked Campaign?

Quantum_V

Why do some of you want to dictate how other people should play? If you've got some type of roleplaying-induced pride and loyalty for your alliance, by all means hold strong to that banner. Yet, please don't try to draw lines and establish parameters on how others should play.

Ranger209

Quantum_V wrote: »

Why do some of you want to dictate how other people should play? If you've got some type of roleplaying-induced pride and loyalty for your alliance, by all means hold strong to that banner. Yet, please don't try not to draw lines and establish parameters on how others should play.

If they were to take Shor and change it to a 14 day 1 faction per campaign cp server I don't see how this would do any of that. How is having a server that offers that dictating how you play? You would still have Vivec and Sotha Sil for your faction swapping cp or no cp pleasure.

Morgul667

I would be happy as well

FYI yesterday afternoon red and yellow teaming together against blue (standing together on the flag and not hitting each other) while their blue friend was spying on us when we were attacking keeps , not helping putting rams far away from door to try to slow us down and so on)

Was a weird scene

Miswar

Bump. ZoS really need to do this.

Anrose

I posted this in another section of the forums. I’ll repost here to boost the signal.

How about we look at this a little differently than “ZOS, please make campaigns faction locked” because it’s pretty clear that’s a direction they’ve moved away from.

Instead, how about we add a special reward tier if your account has only logged into Cyrodiil on the same faction in any given campaign for its duration?

We’ll use Vivec as the example. If you log into Cyrodiil Vivec only on your AD toon(s) during the 30 day period, you’ll automatically gain a new tier of rewards (something that needs to be worth it *cough*MasterWeapons*cough* otherwise what’s the incentive). But if you log into the Vivec campaign with your EP or DC toons during the campaign period, you automatically forfeit this new tier while still retaining all possible rewards we currently have

Supposing the rewards tier is worth it, this will incentivize faction loyalty while still allowing everyone to play where/how/with whom they want.

Slick_007

Anrose wrote: »

Supposing the rewards tier is worth it, this will incentivize faction loyalty while still allowing everyone to play where/how/with whom they want.

it penalizes people who did nothing wrong other than want to play different toons. no.

Joy_Division

Ranger209 wrote: »

Quantum_V wrote: »

Why do some of you want to dictate how other people should play? If you've got some type of roleplaying-induced pride and loyalty for your alliance, by all means hold strong to that banner. Yet, please don't try not to draw lines and establish parameters on how others should play.

If they were to take Shor and change it to a 14 day 1 faction per campaign cp server I don't see how this would do any of that. How is having a server that offers that dictating how you play? You would still have Vivec and Sotha Sil for your faction swapping cp or no cp pleasure.

It would be affecting those people who like and play on Shor.

Anrose

Slick_007 wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Supposing the rewards tier is worth it, this will incentivize faction loyalty while still allowing everyone to play where/how/with whom they want.

it penalizes people who did nothing wrong other than want to play different toons. no.

No one is being penalized for anything. If you want the rewards, it’s pretty easy to pick one faction to play on. That’s literally all you’d need to do.

If the rewards don’t matter to you, or if being able to play cross faction matters more, then knock yourself out.

Not everyone is entitled to everything just for showing up. If you want something, commit to it.

antihero727

Is there faction specific guilds in DC or EP? I have never seen one. Is faction loyalty just an AD thing?

Ghostbane

Anrose wrote: »

I posted this in another section of the forums. I’ll repost here to boost the signal.

How about we look at this a little differently than “ZOS, please make campaigns faction locked” because it’s pretty clear that’s a direction they’ve moved away from.

Instead, how about we add a special reward tier if your account has only logged into Cyrodiil on the same faction in any given campaign for its duration?

We’ll use Vivec as the example. If you log into Cyrodiil Vivec only on your AD toon(s) during the 30 day period, you’ll automatically gain a new tier of rewards (something that needs to be worth it *cough*MasterWeapons*cough* otherwise what’s the incentive). But if you log into the Vivec campaign with your EP or DC toons during the campaign period, you automatically forfeit this new tier while still retaining all possible rewards we currently have

Supposing the rewards tier is worth it, this will incentivize faction loyalty while still allowing everyone to play where/how/with whom they want.

+100

Slick_007

Anrose wrote: »

No one is being penalized for anything. If you want the rewards, it’s pretty easy to pick one faction to play on. That’s literally all you’d need to do.

If the rewards don’t matter to you, or if being able to play cross faction matters more, then knock yourself out.

Not everyone is entitled to everything just for showing up. If you want something, commit to it.

what is wrong with you? no one is being penalized? yes, they are. you are forcing people to only play one toon or they do not get a reward that someone else gets. thats a penalty. seriously you cant even work this out from your own idea? not very well thought through then if you cant even understand the consequences of your own suggestion.

there is nothing wrong with swapping characters, and factions, during a campaign. the only thing wrong is what some people do when they do that. Dont penalize the majority of players for the actions of a minority.

Ranger209

Joy_Division wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

Quantum_V wrote: »

Why do some of you want to dictate how other people should play? If you've got some type of roleplaying-induced pride and loyalty for your alliance, by all means hold strong to that banner. Yet, please don't try not to draw lines and establish parameters on how others should play.

If they were to take Shor and change it to a 14 day 1 faction per campaign cp server I don't see how this would do any of that. How is having a server that offers that dictating how you play? You would still have Vivec and Sotha Sil for your faction swapping cp or no cp pleasure.

It would be affecting those people who like and play on Shor.

Is there a significant number of people playing there? It is the same rule set as Vivec with a 7 day campaign. They could play on Vivec with pretty much the same feel. I mean you could do it to Kyne and open that up, but as mentioned above I don't necessarily know that diluting the player base with an additional server is the way to go.

I think they need to do something to see what the actual interest is. They tried battlegrounds with CP after the forum warriors asked for it. It is now being reverted back for what I can only assume as lower participation with CP enabled. It is something they could do to verify whether or not a server like that is viable. No one really knows, but there seems to be a lot of outcry to either stop allowing faction swapping completely in Cyrodiil, or provide an environment the disallows it for a section of the population. It is also met with a lot of resistance by people who do not want the ability to switch factions taken away from them. It would seem having servers with different rule sets that accommodated both schools of thought would serve a higher purpose than to have two servers with the same rule set that only accommodates one play style over 2 different time frames.

Ranger209

Slick_007 wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

No one is being penalized for anything. If you want the rewards, it’s pretty easy to pick one faction to play on. That’s literally all you’d need to do.

If the rewards don’t matter to you, or if being able to play cross faction matters more, then knock yourself out.

Not everyone is entitled to everything just for showing up. If you want something, commit to it.

what is wrong with you? no one is being penalized? yes, they are. you are forcing people to only play one toon or they do not get a reward that someone else gets. thats a penalty. seriously you cant even work this out from your own idea? not very well thought through then if you cant even understand the consequences of your own suggestion.

there is nothing wrong with swapping characters, and factions, during a campaign. the only thing wrong is what some people do when they do that. Dont penalize the majority of players for the actions of a minority.

Are we being penalized for not running DSA?

Morgul667

Groups switching alliance to color the map red then disconnect and color the map another blue or yellow...

one faction lock would be nice

ellahellabella

Morgul667 wrote: »

Groups switching alliance to color the map red then disconnect and color the map another blue or yellow...

one faction lock would be nice

Again. Punishing the majority for the actions of the minority.
I gleefully swap toons in reverse to fight such guilds.

Faction lock wouldn't help there anyway. Those guys are just farming ap and there is more than one way to do that.

Anrose

Ranger209 wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

No one is being penalized for anything. If you want the rewards, it’s pretty easy to pick one faction to play on. That’s literally all you’d need to do.

If the rewards don’t matter to you, or if being able to play cross faction matters more, then knock yourself out.

Not everyone is entitled to everything just for showing up. If you want something, commit to it.

what is wrong with you? no one is being penalized? yes, they are. you are forcing people to only play one toon or they do not get a reward that someone else gets. thats a penalty. seriously you cant even work this out from your own idea? not very well thought through then if you cant even understand the consequences of your own suggestion.

there is nothing wrong with swapping characters, and factions, during a campaign. the only thing wrong is what some people do when they do that. Dont penalize the majority of players for the actions of a minority.

Are we being penalized for not running DSA?

This was pretty much my point. Having Master Weapons (and even maybe Asylum for that matter, but that’s not my point) which are very strong in PvP makes it worth it to play a certain way to get them. However, they’re still obtainable other ways if it doesn’t fit your play style.

I personally like playing multiple factions sometimes, so I would accept farming vDSA for these weapons if that were the case. Just as an example.

ellahellabella

Ranger209 wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

No one is being penalized for anything. If you want the rewards, it’s pretty easy to pick one faction to play on. That’s literally all you’d need to do.

If the rewards don’t matter to you, or if being able to play cross faction matters more, then knock yourself out.

Not everyone is entitled to everything just for showing up. If you want something, commit to it.

what is wrong with you? no one is being penalized? yes, they are. you are forcing people to only play one toon or they do not get a reward that someone else gets. thats a penalty. seriously you cant even work this out from your own idea? not very well thought through then if you cant even understand the consequences of your own suggestion.

there is nothing wrong with swapping characters, and factions, during a campaign. the only thing wrong is what some people do when they do that. Dont penalize the majority of players for the actions of a minority.

Are we being penalized for not running DSA?

Yes you are. You're being punished for not gathering a group of 4 and taking the time to tackle that content like everyone else with master weapons has.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see master/malestrom/asylum weapons make it into end of campaign rewards like master weapons once were for a while. After all, these weapons are all pve content which isn't everyone's thing.
But making it the reward for 'loyalty' just seems silly.

Ranger209

ellahellabella wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

No one is being penalized for anything. If you want the rewards, it’s pretty easy to pick one faction to play on. That’s literally all you’d need to do.

If the rewards don’t matter to you, or if being able to play cross faction matters more, then knock yourself out.

Not everyone is entitled to everything just for showing up. If you want something, commit to it.

what is wrong with you? no one is being penalized? yes, they are. you are forcing people to only play one toon or they do not get a reward that someone else gets. thats a penalty. seriously you cant even work this out from your own idea? not very well thought through then if you cant even understand the consequences of your own suggestion.

there is nothing wrong with swapping characters, and factions, during a campaign. the only thing wrong is what some people do when they do that. Dont penalize the majority of players for the actions of a minority.

Are we being penalized for not running DSA?

Yes you are. You're being punished for not gathering a group of 4 and taking the time to tackle that content like everyone else with master weapons has.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see master/malestrom/asylum weapons make it into end of campaign rewards like master weapons once were for a while. After all, these weapons are all pve content which isn't everyone's thing.
But making it the reward for 'loyalty' just seems silly.

Punishment requires that some negative consequence be imposed on you with no choice in the matter on your behalf. The fact that you don't get rewarded for making the choice to not take advantage of an opportunity presented to you is not punishment. You chose not to participate in something. ZOS isn't going to take your cell phone, or ground you, or incarcerate you, or spank you for not participating. They aren't going to ban you from Cyrodiil, or take your stuff, or put some negative buff on you for 24 hours for not participating. It's a choice, an opportunity, you take advantage of it or you don't.

ellahellabella

Ranger209 wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

No one is being penalized for anything. If you want the rewards, it’s pretty easy to pick one faction to play on. That’s literally all you’d need to do.

If the rewards don’t matter to you, or if being able to play cross faction matters more, then knock yourself out.

Not everyone is entitled to everything just for showing up. If you want something, commit to it.

what is wrong with you? no one is being penalized? yes, they are. you are forcing people to only play one toon or they do not get a reward that someone else gets. thats a penalty. seriously you cant even work this out from your own idea? not very well thought through then if you cant even understand the consequences of your own suggestion.

there is nothing wrong with swapping characters, and factions, during a campaign. the only thing wrong is what some people do when they do that. Dont penalize the majority of players for the actions of a minority.

Are we being penalized for not running DSA?

Yes you are. You're being punished for not gathering a group of 4 and taking the time to tackle that content like everyone else with master weapons has.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see master/malestrom/asylum weapons make it into end of campaign rewards like master weapons once were for a while. After all, these weapons are all pve content which isn't everyone's thing.
But making it the reward for 'loyalty' just seems silly.

Just lol. Punishment requires that some negative consequence be imposed on you with no choice in the matter on your behalf. The fact that you don't get rewarded for making the choice to not take advantage of an opportunity presented to you is not punishment. You chose not to participate in something. ZOS isn't going to take your cell phone, or ground you, or incarcerate you, or spank you for not participating. They aren't going to ban you from Cyrodiil, or take your stuff, or put some negative buff on you for 24 hours for not participating. It's a choice, an opportunity, you take advantage of it or you don't.

Are you even reading that which you reply to? Are you even listening to those defending multi campaigning in this thread or are you so political in your own ideals that you are simply not listening?

Honestly I've tried to read this reply 5 times because I was blaming myself for the 2 wines in my system but you literally aren't making any sense what so ever.

There is no punishment for you taking the time to run a vdsa for master weapons. I saw at least 3 offers in craglorn this morning looking for a fourth for dsa. Take the time to run a dsa for master weapons. If you're so desperate for them that you want them in eoc rewards, that's a different thread entirely. Till then.....

Edited for grammar,

Anrose

ellahellabella wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

No one is being penalized for anything. If you want the rewards, it’s pretty easy to pick one faction to play on. That’s literally all you’d need to do.

If the rewards don’t matter to you, or if being able to play cross faction matters more, then knock yourself out.

Not everyone is entitled to everything just for showing up. If you want something, commit to it.

what is wrong with you? no one is being penalized? yes, they are. you are forcing people to only play one toon or they do not get a reward that someone else gets. thats a penalty. seriously you cant even work this out from your own idea? not very well thought through then if you cant even understand the consequences of your own suggestion.

there is nothing wrong with swapping characters, and factions, during a campaign. the only thing wrong is what some people do when they do that. Dont penalize the majority of players for the actions of a minority.

Are we being penalized for not running DSA?

Yes you are. You're being punished for not gathering a group of 4 and taking the time to tackle that content like everyone else with master weapons has.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see master/malestrom/asylum weapons make it into end of campaign rewards like master weapons once were for a while. After all, these weapons are all pve content which isn't everyone's thing.
But making it the reward for 'loyalty' just seems silly.

Just lol. Punishment requires that some negative consequence be imposed on you with no choice in the matter on your behalf. The fact that you don't get rewarded for making the choice to not take advantage of an opportunity presented to you is not punishment. You chose not to participate in something. ZOS isn't going to take your cell phone, or ground you, or incarcerate you, or spank you for not participating. They aren't going to ban you from Cyrodiil, or take your stuff, or put some negative buff on you for 24 hours for not participating. It's a choice, an opportunity, you take advantage of it or you don't.

Are you even reading that which you reply to? Are you even listening to those defending multi campaigning in this thread or are you so political in your own ideals that you are simply not listening?

Honestly I've tried to read this reply 5 times because I was blaming myself for the 2 wines in my system but you literally aren't making any sense what so ever.

There is no punishment for you taking the time to run a vdsa for master weapons. I saw at least 3 offers in craglorn this morning looking for a fourth for dsa. Take the time to run a dsa for master weapons if you're so desperate for them that you want them in eoc rewards, that's a different thread entirely. Till then.....

I’m not sure you’re reading the whole thread. He’s defending the idea of creating a reward tier that incentivizes faction loyalty in a given campaign. Which is on topic.

ellahellabella

sigh, nevermind.

idk

I would have no issue if Zos made one of the campaigns faction locked though it would be interesting if the made of CP or non-CP.

However, would these same people asking for it be pleased with it if it was a low population campaign?

It's a valid question since most clearly go where the action is and here is no reason to think a faction lock campaign would draw the large number of players.

ellahellabella

Anrose wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

No one is being penalized for anything. If you want the rewards, it’s pretty easy to pick one faction to play on. That’s literally all you’d need to do.

If the rewards don’t matter to you, or if being able to play cross faction matters more, then knock yourself out.

Not everyone is entitled to everything just for showing up. If you want something, commit to it.

what is wrong with you? no one is being penalized? yes, they are. you are forcing people to only play one toon or they do not get a reward that someone else gets. thats a penalty. seriously you cant even work this out from your own idea? not very well thought through then if you cant even understand the consequences of your own suggestion.

there is nothing wrong with swapping characters, and factions, during a campaign. the only thing wrong is what some people do when they do that. Dont penalize the majority of players for the actions of a minority.

Are we being penalized for not running DSA?

Yes you are. You're being punished for not gathering a group of 4 and taking the time to tackle that content like everyone else with master weapons has.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see master/malestrom/asylum weapons make it into end of campaign rewards like master weapons once were for a while. After all, these weapons are all pve content which isn't everyone's thing.
But making it the reward for 'loyalty' just seems silly.

Just lol. Punishment requires that some negative consequence be imposed on you with no choice in the matter on your behalf. The fact that you don't get rewarded for making the choice to not take advantage of an opportunity presented to you is not punishment. You chose not to participate in something. ZOS isn't going to take your cell phone, or ground you, or incarcerate you, or spank you for not participating. They aren't going to ban you from Cyrodiil, or take your stuff, or put some negative buff on you for 24 hours for not participating. It's a choice, an opportunity, you take advantage of it or you don't.

Are you even reading that which you reply to? Are you even listening to those defending multi campaigning in this thread or are you so political in your own ideals that you are simply not listening?

Honestly I've tried to read this reply 5 times because I was blaming myself for the 2 wines in my system but you literally aren't making any sense what so ever.

There is no punishment for you taking the time to run a vdsa for master weapons. I saw at least 3 offers in craglorn this morning looking for a fourth for dsa. Take the time to run a dsa for master weapons if you're so desperate for them that you want them in eoc rewards, that's a different thread entirely. Till then.....

I’m not sure you’re reading the whole thread. He’s defending the idea of creating a reward tier that incentivizes faction loyalty in a given campaign. Which is on topic.

I have read the whole thread entirely, and my argument was that a reward so large was a cruel incentive to chain people on.
I'll give you an example:
Shor NA EP: have a hatred for DC on that server. so they hit them with no remorse but if DC have the force to fight back and AD doesn't, Why do I have to fight for dc while another faction could use my help? Why deny me doing what most of us wish we could do (if only we could gear that one toon, (been there)) help those who need me' simply' because someone blames multi faction for the faults of all pvp?

My argument was simple, YES bring back the ability to get special weapons but do not make that a 'one faction loyalty' thing

Ranger209

ellahellabella wrote: »

Are you even reading that which you reply to? Are you even listening to those defending multi campaigning in this thread or are you so political in your own ideals that you are simply not listening?

Honestly I've tried to read this reply 5 times because I was blaming myself for the 2 wines in my system but you literally aren't making any sense what so ever.

There is no punishment for you taking the time to run a vdsa for master weapons. I saw at least 3 offers in craglorn this morning looking for a fourth for dsa. Take the time to run a dsa for master weapons. If you're so desperate for them that you want them in eoc rewards, that's a different thread entirely. Till then.....

I apologize if I upset you. I think it was the lol so I removed it from the post, was not my intent, and was insensitive.
There is a schism here among the player base. Well there are many, but this particular one exists between a group of players that wish to pvp with their friends when and where they want, with whatever faction they want, for whatever reason they want. They derive their enjoyment from playing with friends typically, as well as other secondary reasons, i.e. help a weaker faction, gain the fastest ap, find meaningful fights, etc.. The other group of players holds that there is a war going on and that there is something greater than their own personal gaming pleasure worth competing over. They value loyalty not just among friends, but among team members, among factions. Both sides have valid arguments as to their play styles, but only one of those play styles is currently available.

The incentivizing of people to not swap factions I am not so much a fan of, but am willing to listen. In reality you will not incentivize everyone, and never fully achieve the end goal. I much prefer a server with a ruleset that does not accommodate faction swapping during the lifecycle of the campaign. That is really what this thread is about, and listening needs to take place on all sides.

SirCritical

How funny your PvP-based suggestions are

What about no blocking in Cyrodiil, and restore the original conditions in PvE?

Ranger209

antihero727 wrote: »

Is there faction specific guilds in DC or EP? I have never seen one. Is faction loyalty just an AD thing?

There are

SirAndy

I have 4 mains across all three factions. Account locking to a specific faction would be horrible.

However, i would have no problem with a character based campaign lock where you can't switch characters into the same campaign.

idk

SirAndy wrote: »

I have 4 mains across all three factions. Account locking to a specific faction would be horrible.

However, i would have no problem with a character based campaign lock where you can't switch characters into the same campaign.

I wouldn't be concerned. Zos is not going to faction lock all of the campaigns. The best one could hope for is one campaign with this effect but it would not be one of the busier campaigns. Even at that one campaign is still a long shot.

xeNNNNN

Quantum_V wrote: »

Why do some of you want to dictate how other people should play? If you've got some type of roleplaying-induced pride and loyalty for your alliance, by all means hold strong to that banner. Yet, please don't try to draw lines and establish parameters on how others should play.

Its not that, some people actually do want too win, They want their faction to win. Its supposed to be a contest after all thats the whole point of the alliance getting points and who dominates cyrodil also determines some rewards as well.

They dont want to continue too lose because people dont give a crap and just jump ship whenever they feel like it and then have their very own players from their own faction pushing against them. I havent seen EP win a campaign on vivec in a very very very long time.

So tbh I completely agree with their stance on the matter. It shouldnt be allowed, hell it wasnt to begin with the change to allow it only added too the problems in cyrodil.

Ghostbane

antihero727 wrote: »

Is there faction specific guilds in DC or EP? I have never seen one. Is faction loyalty just an AD thing?

Blood of Daggerfall : Deshann Unit

Doesn't have the same ring to it