Undodgeable and unblockable skills list. Need your help

Alcast

This topic is here to set up a list of undodgeable and unblockable skills & some other interesting facts. I will restructure the thread again to list up ALL abilities and classify them once I have time.

Spoiler

Ground Based AoE Abilities are undodgeable (Sub assault, Endless Hail, Caltrops, Elemental Wall etc.)
Non ground based AoE Abilities are dodgeable (Tornado, Cleave, Arrow Spray etc)

Is this correct?
Magicka AOE abilities = undodgeable
Stamina AOE abilities = Ground Based AoE Abilities are undodgeable (Sub assault, Endless Hail, Caltrops etc) non ground based are dodgeable (Tornado, Cleave, Arrow Spray etc)
Magicka Single T. abilities = dodgeable
Stamina Single T. abilities = dodgeable
channeled magicka abilities = undodgeable
channeled stamina abilities = dodgeable
Ultimates= AoE Ultimates are undodgeable
Player-targeted AOEs are dodgeable if the targeted individual dodges the attack. (Crystal blast, Reverse Slice.)

As it seems, there is only one rule and that rule is that there is no rules. I guess it is easier to clasify stuff for each ability as there is so much weird things going on. Keep in mind that there might be a lot of mistakes as most things have not been prooven (unless you see a videolink/image attached to it).
After Each big topic (Templar or Two Hander and so on) I do have a category "EXTRA" where either I am asking questions or stating other stuff that might be interesting.

Update List

Spoiler

03.02.2018
Dive and morphs to dodgeable and blockable
Searing Strike and morphs to dodgeable and blockable
Cleave: The initial direct damage from this ability and its morphs can now be blocked, but cannot be dodged.
Whirlwind: The damage from this ability and its morphs can now be blocked, but cannot be dodged.

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CLASSES

<<<Templar>>>

Spoiler

Aedric Spear
Radial Sweep
• Empowering Sweep - Undodgeable
• Crescent Sweep - Undodgeable
Puncturing Strikes
• Biting Jabs - Undodgeable
• Puncturing Sweep – Undodgeable
• Snare cannot be dodged nor blocked
Piercing Javeling
• Aurora Javelin – Dodgeable and blockable
• Blinding Javelin – Dodgeable and blockable
Focused Charge
• Explosive Charge - Dodgeable and blockable
• Toppling Charge - Dodgeable and blockable
Spear Shards
• Luminous Shards – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Blazing Spear – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Impact hit can be blocked but not dodged
Sun Shield
• Radiant Ward - Undodgeable
• Blazing Shield - Undodgeable
Passives
• Burning Light - Undodgeable

Dawn's Wrath
Nova
• Solar Prison – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Solar Disturbance – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Synergy from Nova is also undodgeable but blockable
Sun Fire
• Vampires Bane - Unblockable
• Reflective Light – Unblockable
• Impact hit can be blocked
Solar Flare
• Dark Flare – Dodgeable and blockable
• Solar Barrage – Dodgeable and blockable
• Dark Flare AoE Defile debuff can be prevented if targeted player dodges the attack
Backlash
• Purifying Light - Undodgeable and unblockable
• Power of the Light - Undodgeable and unblockable
Eclipse
• Total Dark – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Unstable Core – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Unstable Core Explosion is also undodgeable and unblockable
• Reflected damage is undodgeable
Radiant Destruction
• Radiant Glory - Undodgeable
• Radiant Oppression - Undodgeable

Restoring Light
Rite of Passage
• Remembrance
• Practice Incantation
Rushed Ceremony
• Honor the Dead
• Breath of Life
Healing Ritual
• Ritual of Reborth
• Hasty Prayer
Restoring Aura
• Radiant Aura
• Repentance
Cleansing Ritual
• Ritual of Retribution
• Extended Ritual
Rune Focus
• Channeled Focus
• Restoring Focus

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<<<Nightblade>>>

Spoiler

Assassination
Death Stroke
• Incapacitating Strike – Dodgeable and blockable
• Soul Harvest – Undodgeable (will be fixed in Dragon Bones) but blockable
Assassins Blade
• Killers Blade – Dodgeable and blockable
• Impale – Dodgeable and blockable
Teleport Strike
• Lotus Fan – Dodgeable and blockable
• Ambush – Dodgeable and blockable
Blur
• Mirage
• Double Take
Mark Target
• Piercing Mark – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Reaping Mark – Undodgeable and unblockable
Grim Focus
• Relentless Focus – Dodgeable and blockable
• Merciless Resolve – Dodgeable and blockable
Shadow
Consuming Darkness
• Bolstering Darkness – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Veil of Blades – Undodgeable and unblockable
Veiled Strike
• Surprise Attack – Dodgeable and blockable
• Concealed Weapon – Dodgeable and blockable
Shadow Cloak
• Shadowy Disguise
• Dark Cloak
Path of Darkness
• Twisting Path – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Refreshing Path – Undodgeable and unblockable
Aspect of Terror
• Mass Hysteria – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Manifestation of Terror – Undodgeable and unblockable
Summon Shade
• Dark Shades – Undodgeable (Skill application) but blockable
• Shadow Image – Undodgeable (Skill application) but blockable
Siphoning
Soul Shred
• Soul Siphon – Dodgeable and blockable
• Soul Tether – Dodgeable and blockable
Strife
• Funnel Health – Dodgeable and blockable
• Swallow Soul – Dodgeable and blockable
Agony
• Prolonged Suffering
• Malefic Wreath
Cripple
• Debilitate – Unblockable but dodgeable
• Crippling Grasp – Unblockable but dodgeable
Siphoning Strikes
• Leeching Strikes
• Siphoning Attacks
Drain Power
• Power Extraction – Dodgeable and blockable
• Sap Essence – Dodgeable and blockable

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<<<Dragonknight>>>

Spoiler

Ardent Flame
Dragonknight Standard
• Shifting Standard – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Standard of Might – Undodgeable and unblockable
Lava Whip
• Molten Whip – Dodgeable and blockable
• Flame Lash - Dodgeable and blockable
• Power Lash Proc – Undodgeable but blockable (Bugged, should be dodgeable)
Searing Strike
• Venomous Claw – Dodgeable and Blockable
• Burning Embers – Dodgeable and Blockable
• Impact hit is Dodgeable and blockable
Fiery Breath
• Noxious Breath – dodgeable but unblockable
• Engulfing Flames – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Impact hit is blockable
Fiery Grip
• Empowering Chains – Undodgeable, unreflectable but blockable
• Unrelenting Grip – Undodgeable, unreflectable but blockable
Inferno
• Flames of Oblivion – Dodgeable and blockable
• Cauterize
Draconic Power
Dragon leap
• Take Flight - Undodgeable but blockable
• Ferocious Leap - Undodgeable but blockable
• Can move out of impact zone to avoid damage completely
Spiked Armour
• Hardened Armor - unsure
• Volatile Armor - unsure
Dark Talons
• Burning Talons – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Choking Talons – Undodgeable and unblockable
Dragon Blood
• Green Dragon Blood
• Coagulated Blood
Reflective Scales
• Reflective Plate
• Dragon Fire Scale
• Reflected damage can be dodged
Inhale
• Deep Breath - unsure
• Draw Essence - unsure
Earthen Heart
Magma Armor
• Magma Shell
• Corrosive Armor
Stonefist
• Obsidian Shard – dodgeable and blockable
• Stone Giant – dodgeable and blockable
Molten Weapons
• Igneous Weapons
• Molten Armaments
Obsidian Shield
• Igneous Shield
• Fragmented Shield
Petrify
• Fossilize – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Shattering Rocks – Undodgeable and unblockable
Ash Cloud
• Cinder Storm – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Eruption – Undodgeable and unblockable

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<<<Sorcerer>>>

Spoiler

Daedric Summoning
Summon Storm Atronach
• Greater Storm Atronach – dodgeable and blockable
• Summon Charged Atronach – dodgeable and blockable
• Impact hit is undodgeable but blockable
Unstable Familiar
• Unstable Clannfear – dodgeable and blockable
• Volatile Familiar – dodgeable and blockable
Daedric Curse
• Daedric Prey – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Haunting Curse – Undodgeable and unblockable
Summon Winged Twilight
• Summon Twilight Tormentor – dodgeable and blockable
• Summon Twilight Matriarch – dodgeable and blockable
Conjured Ward
• Hardened Ward
• Empowered Ward
Bound Armor
• Bound Armaments
• Bound Aegis
Dark Magic
Negate Magic
• Suppression Field – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Absorption Field – Undodgeable and unblockable
Crystal Shard
• Crystal Blast – dodgeable and blockable
• Crystal Fragments – dodgeable and blockable
Encase
• Shattering Prison – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Restraining Prison – Undodgeable and unblockable
Rune Prison
• Rune Cage – Undodgeable and unblockable
• Defensive Rune – Undodgeable and unblockable
Dark Exchange
• Dark Deal
• Dark Conversion
Daedric Mines
• Daedric Tomb – Undodgeable but blockable
• Daedric Minefield – Undodgeable but blockable
Storm Calling
Overload
• Power Overload – dodgeable and blockable
• Energy Overload – dodgeable and blockable
Mages Fury
• Mages Wrath – dodgeable and blockable
• Endless Fury – dodgeable and blockable
• Explosion is undodgeable and unblockable
Lightning Form
• Hurricane - undodgeable and unblockable
• Boundless Storm - undodgeable and unblockable
Lightning Splash
• Liquid Lightning - undodgeable and unblockable
• Lightning Flood - undodgeable and unblockable
Surge
• Power Surge
• Critical Surge
Bolt Escape
• Streak – Undodgeable but blockable
• Ball of Lightning – Undodgeable but blockable
Passives
• Implosion undodgeable and unblockable

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<<<Warden>>>

Spoiler

Animal Companions
Feral Guardian
• Eternal Guardian – dodgeable and blockable
• Wild Guardian – dodgeable and blockable
Dive
• Cutting Dive - Dodgeable and Blockable
• Screaming Cliffracer - Dodgeable and Blockable
Scorch
• Subterranean Assault - Undodgeable and unblockable
• Deep Fissure - Undodgeable and unblockable
Swarm
• Fletcher Infection - Undodgeable and unblockable
• Growing Swarm - Undodgeable and unblockable
Betty Netch
• Blue Betty
• Bull Netch
Flacons Swiftness
• Deceptive Predator
• Bird of Prey
Green Balance
Secluded Grove
• Enchanted Forest
• Healing Thicket
Fungual Growth
• Enchanted Growth
• Soothing Spores
Healing Seed
• Budding Seeds
• Corrupting Pollen
Living Vines
• Leeching Vines
• Living Trellis
Lotus Flower
• Green Lotus
• Lotus Bessing
Natures Grasp
• Bursting Vines
• Natures Embrace
Winters Embrace
Sleet Storm
• Northern Storm - Undodgeable and unblockable
• Permafrost - Undodgeable and unblockable
Frost Cloak
• Expansive Frost Cloak
• Ice Fortress
Imapling Shards
• Gripping Shards - Undodgeable and unblockable
• Winters Revenge - Undodgeable and unblockable
Arctic Wind
• Polar Wind
• Arctic Blast - Undodgeable and unblockable
Crystallized Shield
• Crystallized Slab
• Shimmering Shield
Frozen Gate
• Frozen Device - Undodgeable and unblockable
• Frozen Retreat - Undodgeable and unblockable

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WEAPON SKILL-LINES & OTHER

<<<Two Hander>>>
Cleave
• Brawler - Undodgeable but Blockable
• Carve - Undodgeable but Blockable

Extra
Cleave can be dodgerolled as shown here in this video
Cleave: The initial direct damage from this ability and its morphs can now be blocked, but cannot be dodged.

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<<<Sword & Board>>>
Undodgeable skills
none
Unblockable skills
none
Undodgeable and unblockable skills
none

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<<<Dualwield>>>
Whirlwind - Undodgeable but Blockable

Extra
Steel Tornado can be dodgerolled as shown here in this video
Whirlwind: The damage from this ability and its morphs can now be blocked, but cannot be dodged.

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<<<Bow>>>
Undodgeable skills
Volley (Both Morphs)
Unblockable skills
Undodgeable and unblockable skills

Extra

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<<<Destruction Staff>>>
Undodgeable skills
Wall of Elements
Weakness to Elements
Unblockable skills
Undodgeable and unblockable skills
Elemental Storm (Both Morphs)

Extra
Is Wall of Elements both undodgeable AND unblockable?

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<<<Restoration Staff>>>
Undodgeable skills
Force Siphon
Steadfast Ward
Blessing of Protection
Regeneration
Grand healing

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<<<Fighters Guild>>>
Undodgeable skills
Dawnbreake
Unblockable skills
Undodgeable and unblockable skills

Extra
Is Trap Beast undodgeable and unblockable?

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<<<Mages Guild>>>
Undodgeable skills
Meteor
Fire Rune
Unblockable skills
Undodgeable and unblockable skills

Extra
Is Entropy undodgeable and unblockable?

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<<<Undaunted>>>
Undodgeable skills
Trapping Webs Explosion
Blood Alter
Nerotic Orb
Unblockable skills
Undodgeable and unblockable skills

Extra

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<<<Assault and Support>>>
Undodgeable skills
Rapid Maneuver
Vigor
Caltrops
Purge
Guard
Revealing Flare
Unblockable skills
Undodgeable and unblockable skills

Extra
Is Magicka Detonation undodgeable and unblockable?

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<<<Soul Magic>>>
Undodgeable skills
Soul Trap
Soul Strike (also non-interruptable)
Unblockable skills
Undodgeable and unblockable skills

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<<<Vampire>>>
Undodgeable skills
Drain Essence
Bat Swarm
Unblockable skills
Undodgeable and unblockable skills

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<<<Werewolf>>>
Undodgeable skills
Unblockable skills
Roar
Undodgeable and unblockable skills


Extra
The AoE cone of Infectious Claw & morphs can be dodged
Roar can be dodged, might be a bug?

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<<<Other Stuff & Sets>>>
Shuffle (Major/ Minor Evasion) Some (or most) things that can not be avoided through dodge roll, can be avoided with Evasion. For Example Cliff Racer, Caltrops....etc. Turns out almost everything can be avoided with Major/ Minor Evasion

usmcjdking

Player-targeted AOEs are dodgeable if the targeted individual dodges the attack.

Crystal Hskblast, Reverse Slice.

The only exception to this rule is Dark Flare - Dark Flare trauma (very low dmg instance dealt to assign defile) to be specific. Dark Flare trauma is unavoidable and ignores any sort of resistance or immunity. Shade also has an effect like this where it deals 4-6 dmg based on CP that is otherwise oblivion damage and entirely unavoidable.

This is why sets like Eternal Warrior/Yokeda and Phoenix can fail to properly activate in Cyro.

Minno

Unstable Core:
- redirect DMG is cause by a direct Attack. No confirmation if shuffle will dodge the damage but most of the time players aren't defending when this goes off.
- Burst bomb DMG is both undodgeable+unblocked.
- I can confirm that the redirect damage is added when you use jabs on a DK using the morph of volatile armor that reflects back melee damage lol.
- UC is a single target delayed undodable/unblockable damage spell that grants cc immunity to the target.

That's what I know violates the rules above. It's single target but deals aoe damage but also has a thorns style dmg component.

Asmael

Note: Shuffle (Major / Minor Evasion) needs his own category, as some abilities / sets that cannot be avoided with a dodge roll can however be avoided with Evasion (Cliff racers being one such example).

Minno

Also Sweeps:
- undodgable AOE cone
- deals extra undodgeable DMG to closest target
- gives target snare. I think on pts they fixed the snare in that it wasn't granting the snare on blocking targets. Therefore the snare effect is both undodgeable and unblockable.

Xvorg

Alcast wrote: »

Guys, is there any list of undodgeable and unblockable skills/sets? I want to set up an article stating the rules and how they apply with exceptions etc.

However I do not exactly know how it currently works on the live server, so any help would be appreciated. This is prolly more complex so I might restructure this post later.

Is this correct?
Magicka AOE abilities = undodgeable
Stamina AOE abilities = dodgeable
Magicka Single T. abilities = dodgeable
Stamina Single T. abilities = dodgeable
channeled magicka abilities = undodgeable
channeled stamina abilities = dodgeable
Ultimates= ?

Soul Strike = Undodgeable, non-interruptable

Also, what are the exceptions of this rule? Abilities, Sets etc.

I've been playing around trapping webs since some days and it seems to me that the explosion is undodgeable. Same about Arrow Spray and morphs. Both being stam AoE abilities

Zer0oo

undodgeable single target skills:

the proced flame lash
backlash
curse
dive
eclipse


undodgeable aoe skills:
stam jabs(stam aoe) are undodgeable



in general all aoe ultis are undodgeable

olsborg

Some singletarged dots are undodgeable if i remember correct. Soul trap and growing swarm or whatsitname from warden. Most stam aoe and stamoriented ulties are dodgeable afaik. Magicka isnt.

Joy_Division

Alcast wrote: »

Is this correct?
Stamina AOE abilities = dodgeable

No.

I heard steel tornado is dodgable, but I haven't seen an actual video demonstrating this and nobody thought it was dodgable back in the "spin to win days". If it is dodgeable, it's a bug which should be reported to ZoS so they can fix it.

As far as I know, all other stam AoE abilities are not dodegable. Arrow Spray, Sub assault, Dawnbrekaer, Cleave, volley, Caltrops, etc., cannot be dodged.

Edit: good videos below show some stamina AoEs are dodgeable. Hopefully ZoS acknowledges and addresses this

arkansas_ESO

-Steel Tornado is dodgeable when it shouldn't be
-The proc from Flame Lash (Power Lash) is undodgeable where it should be

Related: Impale is reflected by DK wings (whether it should or shouldn't be is up for debate) but the Impale damage doesn't actually hit the NB

Mervyn

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Solariken

Joy_Division wrote: »

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Alcast wrote: »

Is this correct?
Stamina AOE abilities = dodgeable

No.

I heard steel tornado is dodgable, but I haven't seen an actual video demonstrating this and nobody thought it was dodgable back in the "spin to win days". If it is dodgeable, it's a bug which should be reported to ZoS so they can fix it.

As far as I know, all other stam AoE abilities are not dodegable. Arrow Spray, Sub assault, Dawnbrekaer, Cleave, volley, Caltrops, etc., cannot be dodged.

Arrow Spray is dodgeable but I really wish they would change it to an undodgeable cone (at least the Acid Spray morph) @ZOS_Wrobel

Siliziumdioxid

Templar undodgeable skills:
Radial Sweep (both morphs)
Puncturing Strikes (both morphs)
Explosive Charge
Spear shards (both morphs)
Sun shield (both morphs)
Burning Light
Nova + Nova Synergy (both morphs)
Solar Barrage + Defile from DF
Backlash (both morphs)
Eclipse (both morphs) + Unstable Explosion
Radiant Destruction (both morphs)
Ritual of retribution
I am unsure if the eclipse reflect damage is undodgeable

Templar unblockable skills:
Burning Light
Spear Shards (only the Dot component)
Nova (both morphs) + synergy
Sun Fire (only the Dot component)
Backlash(both mophs, everything)
Eclipse (everything is unblockable)
Ritual of Retribution
Dont know if the Dot component of Solar Barrage blockable

SodanTok

Joy_Division wrote: »

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Alcast wrote: »

Is this correct?
Stamina AOE abilities = dodgeable

No.

I heard steel tornado is dodgable, but I haven't seen an actual video demonstrating this and nobody thought it was dodgable back in the "spin to win days". If it is dodgeable, it's a bug which should be reported to ZoS so they can fix it.

As far as I know, all other stam AoE abilities are not dodegable. Arrow Spray, Sub assault, Dawnbrekaer, Cleave, volley, Caltrops, etc., cannot be dodged.

As far I know every non ground based stamina AoE ability is dodgeable. That is arrow spray and steel tornado. Dont know about cleave. Dawn Breaker is ultimate. Sub Assault is ground, volley is ground, caltrops are ground.

But if the stamina morph of drain power which i never saw used in PVP, is undodgeable, then it means arrow spray and tornado should be undodgeable too.

//edit: Silver bolts secondary AoE was dodgeable too, Did not check recently. Blade cloak same. Again, did not check recently.Shrouded Daggers obviously, but that makes sense. And no idea about Noxious and before mentioned Power Extraction. That are probably all stamina, not ground based, not channelled, not ultimate aoe skills

Asmael wrote: »

Note: Shuffle (Major / Minor Evasion) needs his own category, as some abilities / sets that cannot be avoided with a dodge roll can however be avoided with Evasion (Cliff racers being one such example).

Does that happen reliably and/or only to mag cliff racer? Never noticed that with cutting dive

Joy_Division

Solariken wrote: »

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Joy_Division wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Is this correct?
Stamina AOE abilities = dodgeable

No.

I heard steel tornado is dodgable, but I haven't seen an actual video demonstrating this and nobody thought it was dodgable back in the "spin to win days". If it is dodgeable, it's a bug which should be reported to ZoS so they can fix it.

As far as I know, all other stam AoE abilities are not dodegable. Arrow Spray, Sub assault, Dawnbrekaer, Cleave, volley, Caltrops, etc., cannot be dodged.

Arrow Spray is dodgeable but I really wish they would change it to an undodgeable cone (at least the Acid Spray morph)

Is bombard? These skills should not be dodgeable.

Koolio

https://youtu.be/LBDJYt9Ey4Y

@Joy_Division

Here is Steel tornado and cleave both being dodged.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

PTS patch 2.7.2 states that AOE are not dodgeable. But you for got about Stam classes.

Koolio

SodanTok wrote: »

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Joy_Division wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Is this correct?
Stamina AOE abilities = dodgeable

No.

I heard steel tornado is dodgable, but I haven't seen an actual video demonstrating this and nobody thought it was dodgable back in the "spin to win days". If it is dodgeable, it's a bug which should be reported to ZoS so they can fix it.

As far as I know, all other stam AoE abilities are not dodegable. Arrow Spray, Sub assault, Dawnbrekaer, Cleave, volley, Caltrops, etc., cannot be dodged.

As far I know every non ground based stamina AoE ability is dodgeable. That is arrow spray and steel tornado. Dont know about cleave. Dawn Breaker is ultimate. Sub Assault is ground, volley is ground, caltrops are ground.

But if the stamina morph of drain power which i never saw used in PVP, is undodgeable, then it means arrow spray and tornado should be undodgeable too.

//edit: Silver bolts secondary AoE was dodgeable too, Did not check recently. Blade cloak same. Again, did not check recently.Shrouded Daggers obviously, but that makes sense. And no idea about Noxious and before mentioned Power Extraction. That are probably all stamina, not ground based, not channelled, not ultimate aoe skills

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Asmael wrote: »

Note: Shuffle (Major / Minor Evasion) needs his own category, as some abilities / sets that cannot be avoided with a dodge roll can however be avoided with Evasion (Cliff racers being one such example).

Does that happen reliably and/or only to mag cliff racer? Never noticed that with cutting dive

Koolio

Tested cleave as well and it is in fact Dodgeable.

Joy_Division

Koolio wrote: »

https://youtu.be/LBDJYt9Ey4Y

@Joy_Division

Here is Steel tornado and cleave both being dodged.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

PTS patch 2.7.2 states that AOE are not dodgeable. But you for got about Stam classes.

Nice to see a clear video. Consistency is important and I hope ZoS acknowledges this and let us know its stance.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Derra

Isn´t burning embers undodgeable aswell or was that fixed by now?

DDuke

Derra wrote: »

Isn´t burning embers undodgeable aswell or was that fixed by now?

It's still undodgeable.

SodanTok wrote: »

But if the stamina morph of drain power which i never saw used in PVP, is undodgeable, then it means arrow spray and tornado should be undodgeable too.

Dodgeable, last I tested (HotR update I think it was).

SodanTok wrote: »

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Asmael wrote: »

Note: Shuffle (Major / Minor Evasion) needs his own category, as some abilities / sets that cannot be avoided with a dodge roll can however be avoided with Evasion (Cliff racers being one such example).

Does that happen reliably and/or only to mag cliff racer? Never noticed that with cutting dive

Caltrops (and other ground AoEs?) can also be dodged with Shuffle.

Alcast

UPDATED THE FIRST POST. I restructured the post, if someone has any better ideas how to structure it or what else to add please let me know.


@Minno

Minno wrote: »

Unstable Core:
- redirect DMG is cause by a direct Attack. No confirmation if shuffle will dodge the damage but most of the time players aren't defending when this goes off.
- Burst bomb DMG is both undodgeable+unblocked.
- I can confirm that the redirect damage is added when you use jabs on a DK using the morph of volatile armor that reflects back melee damage lol.
- UC is a single target delayed undodable/unblockable damage spell that grants cc immunity to the target.

That's what I know violates the rules above. It's single target but deals aoe damage but also has a thorns style dmg component.

What do you mean with Burst Bomb? You mean when the abilitiy explodes? And you mean that only direct damage is reflected by Unstable Core?

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Questions:
Eclipse reflected damage dodgeable or undodgeable?

Is the Solar Barrage DoT component dodgeable?

Is Wall of Elements both undodgeable AND unblockable?

Shuffle (Major/ Minor Evasion) Some things that can not be avoided through dodge roll, can be avoided with Evasion, for example cliff racer. > can someone confirm this?

Is Ash Cloud undodgeable AND unblockable?

Killers blade (Stam Morph of impale) should be dodgeable but currently is not on the live server?

Path of Darkness is both undodgeable AND unblockable?


Also to quote Gina Bruno

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay
Developer Comments
As part of a consistency pass to define abilities as dodgable or undodgable, Dragon Leap has been made undodgable. Area of Effect attacks should not be dodgable since they blanket an entire area with harmful effects, and should still damage enemies trying to Roll Dodge through it. You can still use Roll Dodge’s movement speed increase to avoid the Area of Effect altogether as counterplay against this ability. We will continue to monitor and update other Area of Effect abilities to ensure they conform to this standard.[

So are they saying AoE in general should not be dodgeable or is that sentence refering ot Dragon Leap?

Siliziumdioxid

Random things i know about:
Following Dot components are unblockable:
Searing Strike(both morphs), Fiery Breath(both morphs), Twin Slashes (both morphs), Axe bleed(2h and Dw), Rend (undodgeable).cleave bleed(both morphs), poison arrow both morphs, Dawnbreaker Dot.
Burning and poisoned status effects are unblockable.
Trap Beast is undodgeable and unblockable i don't know if the initial hit of trap beast is unblockable but the dot is definitely unblockable.
Edit: if you dodgeroll into the beast trap you don't get the immobilize(due to immunity) but you receive the dot.

I tested this since i played a stamdk pvp dot build and made some testing for it.


Rapid Fire is Dodgeable and Blockable

Is Wall of Elements both undodgeable AND unblockable? Answer: Yes, unsure if the Unstable Explosion is unblockable.
Meteor is completely undodgeable, the initial hit is blockable the Dot component is not.
Entropy is unblockable, never minded if it is undodgeable.(i know that you get Major Sorcery in everycase)

btw. Templars have a passive that increases damage against blocking targets regardless if the damage is blockable or not.
Dragonknights take less damage while blocking due to a passive reagardless if the skill is unblockable or not.

Minno

@Alcast yea I mean the explosion at the end. The explosion is an AOE, but the spell is cast directly via single target.

Unstable Core is worded weird in how it works. Because they don't actually say what the DMG is to the attacker, so it's hard to give it an official term. I call it "redirect" damage because you aren't actually reflecting damage; the attacker is taking a set DMG because they used a direct Attack ability on you while they have the bubble.

Now that redirect DMG is very unclear on what it actually procs on. For example, direct instant cast abilities and channels against you should proc that DMG on the attacker (assuming they still have the eclipse bubble). But I've found that if your target uses another similar redirected or "thorns" dmg defense and you use a direct Attack, the player you hit will also take the "redirect" DMG. DK volatile armor is the ability I know will cause UC redirect DMG to proc while using jabs (or any melee DMG you deal while the DK has the bubble).

I have not confirmed if other reflects can proc UC's special DMG if you let a direct Attack reflect off them and hit you while you have the eclipse bubble on them.

That's how UC works.

Dracane

Vampiric Drain is not blockable and not dodgeable. The stun does not go through block, but the damage does. Baleful Mist is the same.

As for Sorcs. Shattering Prison is not blockable, curse is not, the Atronach beam goes through block and dodge.

I have not read the entire thread. Just figured I name some of the lesser used/know abilities in the game.

Minno

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UPDATED THE FIRST POST. I restructured the post, if someone has any better ideas how to structure it or what else to add please let me know.


@Minno

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Unstable Core:
- redirect DMG is cause by a direct Attack. No confirmation if shuffle will dodge the damage but most of the time players aren't defending when this goes off.
- Burst bomb DMG is both undodgeable+unblocked.
- I can confirm that the redirect damage is added when you use jabs on a DK using the morph of volatile armor that reflects back melee damage lol.
- UC is a single target delayed undodable/unblockable damage spell that grants cc immunity to the target.

That's what I know violates the rules above. It's single target but deals aoe damage but also has a thorns style dmg component.

What do you mean with Burst Bomb? You mean when the abilitiy explodes? And you mean that only direct damage is reflected by Unstable Core?

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Questions:
Eclipse reflected damage dodgeable or undodgeable?

Is the Solar Barrage DoT component dodgeable?

Is Wall of Elements both undodgeable AND unblockable?

Shuffle (Major/ Minor Evasion) Some things that can not be avoided through dodge roll, can be avoided with Evasion, for example cliff racer. > can someone confirm this?

Is Ash Cloud undodgeable AND unblockable?

Killers blade (Stam Morph of impale) should be dodgeable but currently is not on the live server?

Path of Darkness is both undodgeable AND unblockable?


Also to quote Gina Bruno

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Combat & Gameplay
Developer Comments
As part of a consistency pass to define abilities as dodgable or undodgable, Dragon Leap has been made undodgable. Area of Effect attacks should not be dodgable since they blanket an entire area with harmful effects, and should still damage enemies trying to Roll Dodge through it. You can still use Roll Dodge’s movement speed increase to avoid the Area of Effect altogether as counterplay against this ability. We will continue to monitor and update other Area of Effect abilities to ensure they conform to this standard.[

So are they saying AoE in general should not be dodgeable or is that sentence refering ot Dragon Leap?

They are saying this definition, while they want it to be consistent, are taking small steps to ensure is actually balanced.

For example, they made leap undodgeable but still let you try to avoid the area using dodge roll for counter balance.

I think they are going to make those changes over time, and because if that the definition of what should be undodgable/unblocked should be weighed according to each individual ability. However, alcast should still make this list an effort, because it will help us review each ability easily (and then discuss!)

Derra

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Isn´t burning embers undodgeable aswell or was that fixed by now?

It's still undodgeable.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel in the recent light of soulharvest being now dodgeable - can we get burning embers fixed aswell?
I can´t see a reason why i magica singletarget spell would be undodgeable?

Waffennacht

Deep Fissure unblockable - except the stun is blockable

Berenhir

Derra wrote: »

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DDuke wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Isn´t burning embers undodgeable aswell or was that fixed by now?

It's still undodgeable.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel in the recent light of soulharvest being now dodgeable - can we get burning embers fixed aswell?
I can´t see a reason why i magica singletarget spell would be undodgeable?

Same for haunting curse then.

SodanTok

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Derra wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Isn´t burning embers undodgeable aswell or was that fixed by now?

It's still undodgeable.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel in the recent light of soulharvest being now dodgeable - can we get burning embers fixed aswell?
I can´t see a reason why i magica singletarget spell would be undodgeable?

Same for haunting curse then.

You are confusing things that were clearly designed to be undodgeable (curse, birds, ...) and things where it is very unclear if that is intended behavior of bug (burning embers, power lash, soul haverst - case in point right here)

Alcast

I updated the post, i put some questions under "Extra" as I am not sure what those skills can do. If someone could help would be nice.
Also, can DoTs such as Burning Embers, Venomous Claw be mitigated by block? I know bleeds can but others?