Gold cost for outfitting must go

disintegr8

I do not understand the need for gold sinks but gold is easy to come by, so they do not bother me. There are always going to be these people in the game and there will always be complaints about how much everything costs.

The issue here is that, like people who live for PVP, or those that live to farm trials or vMA for the best gear, the kind of people who will be using the outfitting the most do not have (or make) the time to go and earn gold. Maybe they spend all day in front of the mirror checking out how they look (joke only).

After buying all of the available houses I can with in game gold, I have run out of things to spend my gold on.

Recremen

DPShiro wrote: »

No.
Gold is so easy to get in ESO and not enough to spend on.

Yeah just houses, furniture, gear, recipes, motifs, crafting materials, master writs, runeboxes, siege equipment...

ADarklore

Wow... and to think... I can spend a couple of hours grinding mat nodes and earn 50K+ selling through Guild Trader. Who knew earning gold was so tough and time-consuming. ::eyeroll:: Sorry, but this is an MMO... meaning that sometimes you have to grind for what you want whether you like it or not. You want it, then you put the time into gaining it.

DPShiro

Recremen wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

No.
Gold is so easy to get in ESO and not enough to spend on.

Yeah just houses, furniture, gear, recipes, motifs, crafting materials, master writs, runeboxes, siege equipment...

Own most houses, ones I care about furnished.

All my 14 characters have 2-3 legendary BiS sets and ready for end game pve. I have all 56 Motifs learned on 2 characters and getting close on other (nothing bought in crown store)

I’m usually sitting on 40-60K of each crafting material (base) and around 8-1200 of each gold material (rosin, tempers, kuta, wax etc)

Sitting on 9800+ MW Vouchers and bought everything several times over.

Only Runebox I’m missing is Clockwork Polymorph and it hasn’t dropped on our server yet.

I don’t Pvp, so no need.

And without trying and just selling some random things I’m usually around 25-35 million gold just sitting there.

Mystrius_Archaion

Nihility42 wrote: »

I'm not sure who this change would help except the extremely niche players such as yourself that refuse to participate in an entire segment of the game (trading). There are years and years of MMO experience showing that gold sinks are necessary. Without them, prices will just become massively inflated. And you also want to make gold even easier to get? You'll have every item costing several million gold. Not sure why that seems like a positive change.

Years and years of MMO experience showing that gold sinks never work!
Even with them the prices become massively inflated.

Farmers, especially bot farmers and those who buy from them, are drawn to games with gold sinks and end up destroying what effect a gold sink could have. Therefore, the solution causes the problem.

Seriously, you must not have played in any other large mmo with an economy with so many gold sinks.

Recremen

DPShiro wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

No.
Gold is so easy to get in ESO and not enough to spend on.

Yeah just houses, furniture, gear, recipes, motifs, crafting materials, master writs, runeboxes, siege equipment...

Own most houses, ones I care about furnished.

All my 14 characters have 2-3 legendary BiS sets and ready for end game pve. I have all 56 Motifs learned on 2 characters and getting close on other (nothing bought in crown store)

I’m usually sitting on 40-60K of each crafting material (base) and around 8-1200 of each gold material (rosin, tempers, kuta, wax etc)

Sitting on 9800+ MW Vouchers and bought everything several times over.

Only Runebox I’m missing is Clockwork Polymorph and it hasn’t dropped on our server yet.

I don’t Pvp, so no need.

And without trying and just selling some random things I’m usually around 25-35 million gold just sitting there.

Well no wonder you make gold, you don't PvP. :-p

Seriously though how is your experience even remotely comparable to an average player, or even an above-average player? You should be able to recognize obvious outliers.

Mystrius_Archaion

coop500 wrote: »

This gives people something to look forward to at least to save up gold for.

TBH most players who've played any longer than a 1 month probably has thousands of gold saved up

Not if they want bag and bank space to be able to save anything for gear or crafting. That costs a lot at higher slots.
I still haven't bought all the bank slots and I've been here nearly 3 years.

Mystrius_Archaion

DPShiro wrote: »

No.
Gold is so easy to get in ESO and not enough to spend on.

If you've been here forever farming with more time than most people have, and more ability to tolerate mind-numbing grind.
Or do you buy from real money trade bot farmers?

Those are the only 2 options for "easy gold".

Mystrius_Archaion

disintegr8 wrote: »

I do not understand the need for gold sinks but gold is easy to come by, so they do not bother me. There are always going to be these people in the game and there will always be complaints about how much everything costs.

The issue here is that, like people who live for PVP, or those that live to farm trials or vMA for the best gear, the kind of people who will be using the outfitting the most do not have (or make) the time to go and earn gold. Maybe they spend all day in front of the mirror checking out how they look (joke only).

After buying all of the available houses I can with in game gold, I have run out of things to spend my gold on.

"Rich people problems."

The only people ok with this are people who have farmed their brains out over years or paid real money to a bot farmer for gold.
You can't deny that you either spent a LOT of time on this game or/and have been here forever, since launch maybe.



Everybody forgets about the perspective of newer players, but newer players keep the game going. If profit doesn't grow then they shut the game down.
City of Heroes was shut down because profit was stable. They were not losing money but profit wasn't growing.
Do you want ESO to be shut down?

Yolokin_Swagonborn

What about leaving in the gold cost but just a flat rate? No increasing prices for the "rareness" of motifs. I know a lot of people are more excited about changing their armor to some of the lower more rustic material tiers. So it seems kinda silly to try and charge more for certain motifs. Personal style is relative.

Just a flat rate for everything. Makes both camps happy. Still a gold sink. Just doesn't break the bank.

Mystrius_Archaion

ADarklore wrote: »

Wow... and to think... I can spend a couple of hours grinding mat nodes and earn 50K+ selling through Guild Trader. Who knew earning gold was so tough and time-consuming. ::eyeroll:: Sorry, but this is an MMO... meaning that sometimes you have to grind for what you want whether you like it or not. You want it, then you put the time into gaining it.

But everyday things that everyone has access to, even new players, should not be a grind.
You turn off new players and lose money then.

The game dies when it stops attracting new players and new money because older players don't keep spending a lot.
Or do you want more crown crates with more RNG only even rarer drops and less you can use gems on? Will you even spend money on them anyway? I doubt it.

Recremen

ADarklore wrote: »

Wow... and to think... I can spend a couple of hours grinding mat nodes and earn 50K+ selling through Guild Trader. Who knew earning gold was so tough and time-consuming. ::eyeroll:: Sorry, but this is an MMO... meaning that sometimes you have to grind for what you want whether you like it or not. You want it, then you put the time into gaining it.

@ADarklore
I hate to be the one to break this to you but if you're selling mats that de facto means someone else is buying mats. Meaning they are now the ones down 50k+ gold. Unless everyone buying mats doesn't want to change their outfit frequently you have failed to address the problem. Also who the heck wants to farm 2+ hours a day just to change their outfit a few times? That's ridiculous. We've already been farming for years just to get the motifs. We've done enough.

Recremen

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

What about leaving in the gold cost but just a flat rate? No increasing prices for the "rareness" of motifs. I know a lot of people are more excited about changing their armor to some of the lower more rustic material tiers. So it seems kinda silly to try and charge more for certain motifs. Personal style is relative.

Just a flat rate for everything. Makes both camps happy. Still a gold sink. Just doesn't break the bank.

@Yolokin_Swagonborn

I mean, on a fundamental level it shouldn't cost anything, but yeah "harm reduction" still applies and lowering the gold costs to a flat rate like what the standard racial styles require wouldn't be the most terrible thing. I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

MajesticHaruki

In my opinion the gold fee should be removed like the OP said and eso plus members should have access to an additional outfit slot which they wont be able to modify if their subscription ends.

Mystrius_Archaion

Recremen wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Wow... and to think... I can spend a couple of hours grinding mat nodes and earn 50K+ selling through Guild Trader. Who knew earning gold was so tough and time-consuming. ::eyeroll:: Sorry, but this is an MMO... meaning that sometimes you have to grind for what you want whether you like it or not. You want it, then you put the time into gaining it.

@ADarklore
I hate to be the one to break this to you but if you're selling mats that de facto means someone else is buying mats. Meaning they are now the ones down 50k+ gold. Unless everyone buying mats doesn't want to change their outfit frequently you have failed to address the problem. Also who the heck wants to farm 2+ hours a day just to change their outfit a few times? That's ridiculous. We've already been farming for years just to get the motifs. We've done enough.

Exactly. Trading and economies rely on "winners and losers" and a base level "production".
Money isn't made out of thin air, even in this game which has unlimited production.

There is a base level of time somebody has to spend doing the base level of game activities for money, everything else is just "rich people sharing gold".

I'm one of those people actually doing the work that keeps gold in the game, unless you count the bot farmers and those buying gold from them, because there are enough gold sinks that directly eat gold that, eventually, everyone would have run out of gold.
If you are getting your gold mostly from trading with other players then you are a leech that will eventually suck the economy dry and cause your own failure to trade at high values and be forced to revert back to "working for your gold".

Ever hear about "the great depression"? That crash was guaranteed to happen and necessary and the middle class and rich suffered more than the working poor, especially those that grew their own food and made their own clothes and didn't need to purchase.
If you depend on a currency and the currency inflates and inflates until the majority can't afford what you are selling then it inevitably crashes back down to direct item for item trade and those with the true wealth, actual items that are used, are the winners.
There have been arguments that currency is the root of economic trouble. It may make trade easier but it also makes it too easy.

Honestly, it's too bad the game doesn't have an economic collapse because of infinite supply. I would love to see the rich players suddenly being the poorest because nobody would want their gold and would instead want item for item trade.

Mystrius_Archaion

Gold sinks cause the problem of too much gold because people always want to "get ahead".
If people could just get the gold they need with some effort after they realize they need it then they just get the gold they need, but if they think they will need an unknown quantity ahead of actually having a goal item to spend it on then they will farm extra gold that goes unused until they find something to spend it on and then they always try to save for "the next unknown thing".
It's a vicious cycle that causes the inflation.

Also, bot farmers love this and it attracts them like flies to honey. This game has gold sinks because of bot farmers but it has bot farmers because of the initial gold sinks. It's a reinforcing cycle.
I hope you like competing with bots wherever you farm or quest.


Edit:
Or do we want to bring up the slippery slope argument where ZOS may consider selling gold directly to compete with the, obviously profitable, bot farmers?
Anybody want to see that happen where the creators create the gold sinks and then sell the way around them?
Anybody see what happened to Star Wars Battlefront 2?

Nihility42

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I do not understand the need for gold sinks but gold is easy to come by, so they do not bother me. There are always going to be these people in the game and there will always be complaints about how much everything costs.

The issue here is that, like people who live for PVP, or those that live to farm trials or vMA for the best gear, the kind of people who will be using the outfitting the most do not have (or make) the time to go and earn gold. Maybe they spend all day in front of the mirror checking out how they look (joke only).

After buying all of the available houses I can with in game gold, I have run out of things to spend my gold on.

"Rich people problems."

The only people ok with this are people who have farmed their brains out over years or paid real money to a bot farmer for gold.
You can't deny that you either spent a LOT of time on this game or/and have been here forever, since launch maybe.

I've played since the end of October and have several million in gold and saleable assets. I've spent maybe a handful of hours actually farming. The rest has been mostly passive flipping and normal end game activities like dungeons, trials and PVP. I've never bought gold. You clearly have never made any signigivsntnanount of gold before or even tried, so what makes you think you're an authoritative source on how much effort it takes?

Everybody forgets about the perspective of newer players, but newer players keep the game going. If profit doesn't grow then they shut the game down.
City of Heroes was shut down because profit was stable. They were not losing money but profit wasn't growing.
Do you want ESO to be shut down?

You're being over dramatic. Any new player starting an MMO knows they'll be grinding, and the grind is a lot easier in Eso than on a lot of games. Gold is super easy to get. I was able to afford a full set of legendary crafted endgame gear within a month of playing without any specific work to make gold. ESO is doing just fine even with the apparently oppressive gold sinks already in place.

Mystrius_Archaion

Nihility42 wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I do not understand the need for gold sinks but gold is easy to come by, so they do not bother me. There are always going to be these people in the game and there will always be complaints about how much everything costs.

The issue here is that, like people who live for PVP, or those that live to farm trials or vMA for the best gear, the kind of people who will be using the outfitting the most do not have (or make) the time to go and earn gold. Maybe they spend all day in front of the mirror checking out how they look (joke only).

After buying all of the available houses I can with in game gold, I have run out of things to spend my gold on.

"Rich people problems."

The only people ok with this are people who have farmed their brains out over years or paid real money to a bot farmer for gold.
You can't deny that you either spent a LOT of time on this game or/and have been here forever, since launch maybe.

I've played since the end of October and have several million in gold and saleable assets. I've spent maybe a handful of hours actually farming. The rest has been mostly passive flipping and normal end game activities like dungeons, trials and PVP. I've never bought gold. You clearly have never made any signigivsntnanount of gold before or even tried, so what makes you think you're an authoritative source on how much effort it takes?

Everybody forgets about the perspective of newer players, but newer players keep the game going. If profit doesn't grow then they shut the game down.
City of Heroes was shut down because profit was stable. They were not losing money but profit wasn't growing.
Do you want ESO to be shut down?

You're being over dramatic. Any new player starting an MMO knows they'll be grinding, and the grind is a lot easier in Eso than on a lot of games. Gold is super easy to get. I was able to afford a full set of legendary crafted endgame gear within a month of playing without any specific work to make gold. ESO is doing just fine even with the apparently oppressive gold sinks already in place.

You've earned your gold by "flipping"....

Do you even know why that works?
It is the very definition of inflation. You are selling something for more than it was worth for you to buy it. You are creating currency out of thin air, but that currency has to, inevitably, come from somewhere, somebody "doing the dirty work of direct farming".

Try direct farming to get your gold. See how that feels. Is that fast enough for you?
How much gold does a quest give you at the cap? How much gold does a chest give you even with the increased chest gold CP? How much gold does each enemy have on average? Not much.
The most reliable method for getting high gold, without flipping or selling to other players that have farmed before the hard way, is to steal items and fence them which requires time and luck and the strategy of mostly ignoring white items and often ignoring greens and going with blues, which are the best you can hope to reliably get to sell. This is not a fast process and has a hard limit of 140 items sold per day per character, meaning 35000 gold max per character after a fairly long time farming and ignoring other valuable items just to sell blues only. I tried this a few times. It took me hours, hours I wasn't doing quests or running with groups. I had to farm just to be able to afford an inventory upgrade to be able to farm some more.


Maybe the developers should delete all gold from the game and/or disable the ability to trade or use guild stores for a few months and see how that works for people having to farm their own items and gold.
Everyone would hate that because it is so slow but so necessary because items and gold both come from farming initially.

I am not being over dramatic. I have seen games do things like this before. They tried it to get rid of the bot farmers and real money trade accounts after finding that banning the accounts didn't work when they just create new ones.
Real life hasn't even been able to get a perfect economy working even with thousands of years of history.

Welcome to the doom of any game....the grind and the battle against bot farming. The developers want grind and try to use it to fight bots but that just encourages people to buy from bots which encourages bot farmers to get more clever at getting away with it and the winners are the bot farmers and the losers are the honest players.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

Recremen

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

@Yolokin_Swagonborn

Yes I know about the outfit change tokens, it's one of the things they wanted tested. This is, as you point out, really weird, because we can't even currently buy them on the PTS. We also can't buy extra outfit slots. I think that between the cash shop motif sales and the extra outfit slots this system is already monetized enough. We don't need to go spending gold or real cash every time we want to change an outfit. This system should involve a one-and-done cost model like every other cosmetic in the game has dome up to this point, from dyes to mounts to costumes to accessory, body marking, and facial hair packs.

Nihility42

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

Recremen

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

@Nihility42

I agree that it's not a conspiracy, but it absolutely affects gameplay. It doesn't affect combat, but for a huge number of players, even ones that care about combat, a big part of end game is playing magickal cat barbie. Our usual options have all been one-and-done expenses that were then free to switch around across our whole account. This is the first system that has incurred a per-use cost, and I do not like it and believe it should be changed.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

NO

I apologize for the theatrics but there is just something about the way ZOS keeps monetizing everything that makes my skin crawl. The original business model was so simple. I will never get used to this micro-pay bs and its kind of depressing knowing that every new QOL feature implemented in the game from now on will be designed and operated from the perspective of micro-pay.

Mystrius_Archaion

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

The alternative gold cost is not small, unless you're already rich.
But, remember all the farming you once did just to get rich. Do you want to do that again? Do you wish that on other newer players? Are you going all "5 miles uphill, both ways" old man on those new players or more "I did this so my children wouldn't have to"?

Nihility42

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

NO

I apologize for the theatrics but there is just something about the way ZOS keeps monetizing everything that makes my skin crawl. The original business model was so simple. I will never get used to this micro-pay bs and its kind of depressing knowing that every new QOL feature implemented in the game from now on will be designed and operated from the perspective of micro-pay.

How else do you expect them to keep releasing content? The game is buy to pay, which probably hardly brings in any revenue with the game being on sale for 10 bucks or less most of the time. Games are extremely expensive to make and maintain, DLCs, expansions, and ESO+ won't sustain it on their own. If you want the amount of content that we currently get to continue, the cash shop is a necessary "evil." The way ZOS does it is extremely unintrusive and doesn't affect actual gameplay in any meaningful way.

Recremen wrote: »

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

@Nihility42

I agree that it's not a conspiracy, but it absolutely affects gameplay. It doesn't affect combat, but for a huge number of players, even ones that care about combat, a big part of end game is playing magickal cat barbie. Our usual options have all been one-and-done expenses that were then free to switch around across our whole account. This is the first system that has incurred a per-use cost, and I do not like it and believe it should be changed.

It is a one and done expense. You make an outfit, you pay the gold, and it's done. No more gold necessary. You want to make a new outfit? You pay the one time fee for that outfit and it's done. Each new outfit is a new fee. It's only a recurring fee if you change,

Mystrius_Archaion

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

NO

I apologize for the theatrics but there is just something about the way ZOS keeps monetizing everything that makes my skin crawl. The original business model was so simple. I will never get used to this micro-pay bs and its kind of depressing knowing that every new QOL feature implemented in the game from now on will be designed and operated from the perspective of micro-pay.

How else do you expect them to keep releasing content? The game is buy to pay, which probably hardly brings in any revenue with the game being on sale for 10 bucks or less most of the time. Games are extremely expensive to make and maintain, DLCs, expansions, and ESO+ won't sustain it on their own. If you want the amount of content that we currently get to continue, the cash shop is a necessary "evil." The way ZOS does it is extremely unintrusive and doesn't affect actual gameplay in any meaningful way.

Recremen wrote: »

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

@Nihility42

I agree that it's not a conspiracy, but it absolutely affects gameplay. It doesn't affect combat, but for a huge number of players, even ones that care about combat, a big part of end game is playing magickal cat barbie. Our usual options have all been one-and-done expenses that were then free to switch around across our whole account. This is the first system that has incurred a per-use cost, and I do not like it and believe it should be changed.

It is a one and done expense. You make an outfit, you pay the gold, and it's done. No more gold necessary. You want to make a new outfit? You pay the one time fee for that outfit and it's done. Each new outfit is a new fee. It's only a recurring fee if you change,

Really? DLCs and Expansions won't sustain it?
Why are we free to play at all then? World of Wacraft gets away with a mandatory subscription AND charging for DLC and cosmetics in a cash shop.
I know most people bought Morrowind and plan to buy the next chapter. I know plenty of people blew tons of money on crown crates, and even I did on the first season because it had what I wanted most.

There is no way this outfit system will make or break them by having a crown store token or not. The gold cost however, just to encourage the crown tokens, will encourage a lot of "ill will" the likes of which EA has seen with Star Wars Battlefront 2 if it spreads to more systems in the future.

You just don't input grind into a game just to encourage paying to get around it. It needs to be reasonable without paying extra or people hate it.



Edit:
FYI, it's not "one and done" if you are like anybody else and repeatedly tweak outfits to improve them or completely change them on a whim. That's the beauty of the system as it has been so far. It allowed changing often like it should.

You know what? City of Heroes still had better customization over 13 years ago when it launched. That had in game costs to change costumes but they were much more reasonable and had much more freedom and were in at launch, not 4-5 years after launch like this game.
Newer games still not learning from older games and just charging more for better old stuff. The future looks bleak.

WaTeR-aBuSeR

I believe the gold cost should go at least for plus members. Most players against this are saying gold is easy to get which is beside the point. I view it as losing out on other stuff that I do want. 5, 10, or 30k, doesn't matter. That is several furnishing recipes or motifs I could buy. running around gathering mats to sell if the most pointless and mind numbing thing I could do in the game. If I'm paying to play the game I should at least have the option to do what I like and make a decent amount. It may not be millions, but at least i'm not a bot running around collecting nodes for hours.

Cadbury

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

NO

I apologize for the theatrics but there is just something about the way ZOS keeps monetizing everything that makes my skin crawl. The original business model was so simple. I will never get used to this micro-pay bs and its kind of depressing knowing that every new QOL feature implemented in the game from now on will be designed and operated from the perspective of micro-pay.

How else do you expect them to keep releasing content? The game is buy to pay, which probably hardly brings in any revenue with the game being on sale for 10 bucks or less most of the time. Games are extremely expensive to make and maintain, DLCs, expansions, and ESO+ won't sustain it on their own. If you want the amount of content that we currently get to continue, the cash shop is a necessary "evil." The way ZOS does it is extremely unintrusive and doesn't affect actual gameplay in any meaningful way.

Recremen wrote: »

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

@Nihility42

I agree that it's not a conspiracy, but it absolutely affects gameplay. It doesn't affect combat, but for a huge number of players, even ones that care about combat, a big part of end game is playing magickal cat barbie. Our usual options have all been one-and-done expenses that were then free to switch around across our whole account. This is the first system that has incurred a per-use cost, and I do not like it and believe it should be changed.

It is a one and done expense. You make an outfit, you pay the gold, and it's done. No more gold necessary. You want to make a new outfit? You pay the one time fee for that outfit and it's done. Each new outfit is a new fee. It's only a recurring fee if you change,

Really? DLCs and Expansions won't sustain it?
Why are we free to play at all then? World of Wacraft gets away with a mandatory subscription AND charging for DLC and cosmetics in a cash shop.
I know most people bought Morrowind and plan to buy the next chapter. I know plenty of people blew tons of money on crown crates, and even I did on the first season because it had what I wanted most.

There is no way this outfit system will make or break them by having a crown store token or not. The gold cost however, just to encourage the crown tokens, will encourage a lot of "ill will" the likes of which EA has seen with Star Wars Battlefront 2 if it spreads to more systems in the future.

You just don't input grind into a game just to encourage paying to get around it. It needs to be reasonable without paying extra or people hate it.



Edit:
FYI, it's not "one and done" if you are like anybody else and repeatedly tweak outfits to improve them or completely change them on a whim. That's the beauty of the system as it has been so far. It allowed changing often like it should.

You know what? City of Heroes still had better customization over 13 years ago when it launched. That had in game costs to change costumes but they were much more reasonable and had much more freedom and were in at launch, not 4-5 years after launch like this game.
Newer games still not learning from older games and just charging more for better old stuff. The future looks bleak.

Eh. I would prefer it if there wasn't any gold fee, but ZOS gonna ZOS.

As an aside, I loved how LOTRO's fashion system worked. And Champions Online as well (and I say that as a COH fan)

Nihility42

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Nihility42 wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I do not understand the need for gold sinks but gold is easy to come by, so they do not bother me. There are always going to be these people in the game and there will always be complaints about how much everything costs.

The issue here is that, like people who live for PVP, or those that live to farm trials or vMA for the best gear, the kind of people who will be using the outfitting the most do not have (or make) the time to go and earn gold. Maybe they spend all day in front of the mirror checking out how they look (joke only).

After buying all of the available houses I can with in game gold, I have run out of things to spend my gold on.

"Rich people problems."

The only people ok with this are people who have farmed their brains out over years or paid real money to a bot farmer for gold.
You can't deny that you either spent a LOT of time on this game or/and have been here forever, since launch maybe.

I've played since the end of October and have several million in gold and saleable assets. I've spent maybe a handful of hours actually farming. The rest has been mostly passive flipping and normal end game activities like dungeons, trials and PVP. I've never bought gold. You clearly have never made any signigivsntnanount of gold before or even tried, so what makes you think you're an authoritative source on how much effort it takes?

Everybody forgets about the perspective of newer players, but newer players keep the game going. If profit doesn't grow then they shut the game down.
City of Heroes was shut down because profit was stable. They were not losing money but profit wasn't growing.
Do you want ESO to be shut down?

You're being over dramatic. Any new player starting an MMO knows they'll be grinding, and the grind is a lot easier in Eso than on a lot of games. Gold is super easy to get. I was able to afford a full set of legendary crafted endgame gear within a month of playing without any specific work to make gold. ESO is doing just fine even with the apparently oppressive gold sinks already in place.

You've earned your gold by "flipping"....

Do you even know why that works?
It is the very definition of inflation. You are selling something for more than it was worth for you to buy it. You are creating currency out of thin air, but that currency has to, inevitably, come from somewhere, somebody "doing the dirty work of direct farming".

I don't inflate prices at all. I buy underpriced items and sell them for their actual worth. That isn't any definition of inflation.

Try direct farming to get your gold. See how that feels. Is that fast enough for you?
How much gold does a quest give you at the cap? How much gold does a chest give you even with the increased chest gold CP? How much gold does each enemy have on average? Not much.
The most reliable method for getting high gold, without flipping or selling to other players that have farmed before the hard way, is to steal items and fence them which requires time and luck and the strategy of mostly ignoring white items and often ignoring greens and going with blues, which are the best you can hope to reliably get to sell. This is not a fast process and has a hard limit of 140 items sold per day per character, meaning 35000 gold max per character after a fairly long time farming and ignoring other valuable items just to sell blues only. I tried this a few times. It took me hours, hours I wasn't doing quests or running with groups. I had to farm just to be able to afford an inventory upgrade to be able to farm some more.

You forget or fail to mention that there are thousands and thousands of players making gold without trying. Just by running pledges and vendoring junk, you make several thousand per day. It's not particularly significant individually, but this is millions of new gold coming into the game just by players playing. Add in people thieving, farming gold, farming items to vendor, etc and it's easy to see how there is so much gold in the game, bots aside. Even individually, you should be able to make a decent amount of gold from these passive sources over time just by playing.

And if it's not fast enough, this is a multiplayer game, so try playing with other people and doing some of the trading thing. I promise it's not too scary.

Maybe the developers should delete all gold from the game and/or disable the ability to trade or use guild stores for a few months and see how that works for people having to farm their own items and gold.
Everyone would hate that because it is so slow but so necessary because items and gold both come from farming initially.

I am not being over dramatic. I have seen games do things like this before. They tried it to get rid of the bot farmers and real money trade accounts after finding that banning the accounts didn't work when they just create new ones.
Real life hasn't even been able to get a perfect economy working even with thousands of years of history.

Welcome to the doom of any game....the grind and the battle against bot farming. The developers want grind and try to use it to fight bots but that just encourages people to buy from bots which encourages bot farmers to get more clever at getting away with it and the winners are the bot farmers and the losers are the honest players.

Again, you're being overdramatic. You don't like trading and don't put effort into making gold, so no one else can have gold either I guess?

Recremen

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

NO

I apologize for the theatrics but there is just something about the way ZOS keeps monetizing everything that makes my skin crawl. The original business model was so simple. I will never get used to this micro-pay bs and its kind of depressing knowing that every new QOL feature implemented in the game from now on will be designed and operated from the perspective of micro-pay.

How else do you expect them to keep releasing content? The game is buy to pay, which probably hardly brings in any revenue with the game being on sale for 10 bucks or less most of the time. Games are extremely expensive to make and maintain, DLCs, expansions, and ESO+ won't sustain it on their own. If you want the amount of content that we currently get to continue, the cash shop is a necessary "evil." The way ZOS does it is extremely unintrusive and doesn't affect actual gameplay in any meaningful way.

Recremen wrote: »

Nihility42 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I maintain, however, that this is a bad, new precedent for charging per-use cost in a cosmetic system when all our previous costs have been up front, once, and then free to modify forever. I also maintain that "Free for ESO+ subscribers" is an acceptable if unfortunate middle ground in my book.

@Recremen
I just did some further investigating and you are more right then you know. This is NOT a gold sink. It's something much more sinister. All of the people getting into huge arguments about economics in this thread are completely missing the point.

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A GOLD SINK!!!

We are being played again... Here's where it gets ugly:

Lets look carefully at the outfit station.


Hmm what's that:

So it will cost me 3000 gold to change 1 piece of armor or just 1... just 1 what? Lets click apply and find out.


Outfit Change Tokens? What the hell is that?

Clicking on the Buy link brings you here:



Looks like it hasn't been implemented yet but you can be assured it will be when this goes live.

Outfit change tokens.
Sold for crowns.

So take one currency that already has you psychologically detached from its real world monetary value and transfer it into yet another fake currency even farther detached. Does this smell like a mobile game yet?

I bet there will be "Outfit Change Token" sales on the crown store soon. Get your outfit change tokens here folks! Just 35 glip glops for a schmee splop! Such a great Value! Limited time only!

Excuse me while I go throw up.

This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They openly announced this with the announcement of the system. This is probably one of the most benign cash shop options possible. It doesn't affect gameplay on any way and the alternative gold cost is small. Take a deep breath and give your bold key a break.

@Nihility42

I agree that it's not a conspiracy, but it absolutely affects gameplay. It doesn't affect combat, but for a huge number of players, even ones that care about combat, a big part of end game is playing magickal cat barbie. Our usual options have all been one-and-done expenses that were then free to switch around across our whole account. This is the first system that has incurred a per-use cost, and I do not like it and believe it should be changed.

It is a one and done expense. You make an outfit, you pay the gold, and it's done. No more gold necessary. You want to make a new outfit? You pay the one time fee for that outfit and it's done. Each new outfit is a new fee. It's only a recurring fee if you change,

@Nihility42

No, that's not how one-and-done expenses work. That is literally a per-use expense. One-and-done expenses are like costumes or hairstyle or dyes. You complete the achievement or buy it in the cash shop and then it's unlocked for your whole account and you're free to change it as often as you like. The whole point of one-and-done expenditures is that you DO get the freedom to change as often as you like.