AOE Caps are gone, Praise The 8!

Yubarius

I can't believe it, the time has finally arrived; the death of AOE caps. This has been a plague to the games health in terms of lag and overall balance of group gameplay and dynamics. No longer are the days of ball groups rolling around at the speed of sound with no consequence for stacking their armies into one confined area. No longer are the days of winning fights simply because you have greater damage reductions from AOE reductions due to your group size. This is the first major step to incentivising smart and tactical play.

Instead of "stack on crown", it will be "spilt up into organised smaller groups that can communicate so we don't get whooped by their aoes". Finally, the age of skill and tactical play are upon us. Thank you so much for doing this. @ZOS

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DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

Where is Fengrush when we need him?

He would be proud!

Yubarius

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Where is Fengrush when we need him?

He would be proud!

I tweeted at him the patch not asking if he'd come back, lol.

ParaNostram

"It's okay the fire will hurt me less because I have friends in it." - Update 16

"I WAS WRONG IT HURTS OWOWOWOWOW!" - Update 17

Dredlord

Yubarius wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Where is Fengrush when we need him?

He would be proud!

I tweeted at him the patch not asking if he'd come back, lol.

hopefully not...

and removing the caps wont change anything, zerging will live on in 2018.

Samadhi

This would have been big news at one point,
at this point it is likely too late

at least meat catapults will feel meaningfulish again
but the prevalence and importance of AoE heals
means people are still likely to stack up for increased odds of survivability

hopefully the real large trains will fall apart more quickly tho

ParaNostram

Samadhi wrote: »

This would have been big news at one point,
at this point it is likely too late

at least meat catapults will feel meaningfulish again
but the prevalence and importance of AoE heals
means people are still likely to stack up for increased odds of survivability

hopefully the real large trains will fall apart more quickly tho

I don't think they want the death balls to absolutely end, but this does make them easier to mop up absolutely. Play and counterplay, you can counter their poor play all day I say with just a few good zerg bombers now.

monktoasty

What was AoEs cap and what was removed?

GrigorijMalahevich

Here is a prediction: “OMG NERF DESTRO ULT” ‘em zergs crying, new forum posts creating...

Probably bomblade will become more relevant than ever...

Samadhi

monktoasty wrote: »

What was AoEs cap and what was removed?

AoEs previously only damaged 6 targets no matter how many were in range
they were then changed to do full damage to 6 targets and reduced damage to additional targets in range

removal of AoE caps means AoEs do full damage to all targets in range
so instead of 20 people being stacked with 14 immune to damage or taking reduced damage and quickly healing off
AoEs will do full damage to all 20 on each attack
organized small-groups with AoEs will theoretically be able to wipe large tightly packed groups more quickly now
hopefully encouraging groups to spread out more and have more small skirmishes

ironically, by increasing the power of AoE in one scenario it will ideally result in an overall reduction of AoE usage as it becomes too costly to AoE single spread-out targets

Choke points may also become more important to hold,
tho Oil spam already makes them rather important this could mean less running around through oils as a train over and over

rhapsodious

monktoasty wrote: »

What was AoEs cap and what was removed?

The first six (?) people you hit with an AOE ability would take the full damage from it. Others would take reduced damage, I want to say another few take 50% and the rest take something like 25%. Not quite sure on the numbers, but basically the more people you hit the less overall damage per person it does. It was supposed to counter a few well-placed abilities wiping a group, but now it just encourages stacking because your group takes overall reduced damage (also sets like Earthgore don't help).

Wonder what the performance will be like.

magictucktuck

im am glad they are gone! but i am also scared that its not going to help us small groupers as much as we think it will.

Yubarius

monktoasty wrote: »

What was AoEs cap and what was removed?

They would reduce damage taken by AOEs based on the number of players hit by it. I'm pretty sure the first 6 would take full damage, the next 6 would take 75%, and everyone else would take 50%.

Yubarius

magictucktuck wrote: »

im am glad they are gone! but i am also scared that its not going to help us small groupers as much as we think it will.

Now it will put you on an equal footing. Having AOEs will be just as beneficial to you as it was to them. You are no longer at a disadvantage other than skill and simply having more abilities.

QuebraRegra

Dredlord wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Where is Fengrush when we need him?

He would be proud!

I tweeted at him the patch not asking if he'd come back, lol.

hopefully not...

and removing the caps wont change anything, zerging will live on in 2018.

it's a double edged sword

monktoasty

Oh ok thank you for the explanations. On the surface it seems helpful..just have to see in practice if it does anything

Ankael07

Bombers will finally be able to dive into groups of 20+ without hesitating. Thats why the removal of the AOE cap is important

JamieAubrey

Oh yeah, make Eye of cancer bomb groups hit EVERYONE NOW

RIP

magictucktuck

Yubarius wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

im am glad they are gone! but i am also scared that its not going to help us small groupers as much as we think it will.

Now it will put you on an equal footing. Having AOEs will be just as beneficial to you as it was to them. You are no longer at a disadvantage other than skill and simply having more abilities.

Well i get that argument, im for taking them away. but with 50 of them spamming aoes now your 5-10-20 man group is still going to get hit with 20 ultis and 50 spam able aoes and die lol. but like someone else said lets see it in practice and hopefully it helps and does not make it worse for us. worse case at least you can get 5 friends together and bomb a giant zerg and see a screen full of numbers

Yubarius

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Oh yeah, make Eye of cancer bomb groups hit EVERYONE NOW

RIP

Yeah now that AOE caps are gone, I think extremely strong AOE ult should be looked at for nerfs, specifically destroy ult. Also, magicka detonation should perhaps be toned down to only 100% potential bonus damage from 250%.

nimander99

WOOOOOOT!!!!!

Publius_Scipio

I took years but the battle has been won. The soul of the stam sorc warrior Fengrush can finally find peace.

DoonerSeraph

Now that the caps are gone, you can praise way more than 8

Jade1986

nimander99 wrote: »

WOOOOOOT!!!!!

Seriously, this is a god send for sotha AD side. We can finally splatter those huge ant hills of EP running around !

Joy_Division

As much as I think removing AoE caps was long long overdue, ZoS's other combat mechanics still encourage stacking on crown and groups coordinating PBAoEs.

And ZoS has reduced the original AoE caps by quite a bt before this patch (originally 7th target took 0% damage, then it took 50%, on Live it takes 75%, on PTS 100%)

So not sure this welcome change will affect too much.

Though those groups should be a little easier to take down, which is nice.

Voxicity

I LOVE YOU ZOS!!!

NyassaV

Yubarius wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Oh yeah, make Eye of cancer bomb groups hit EVERYONE NOW

RIP

Yeah now that AOE caps are gone, I think extremely strong AOE ult should be looked at for nerfs, specifically destroy ult. Also, magicka detonation should perhaps be toned down to only 100% potential bonus damage from 250%.

I say let it go live and if it's really that bad then we can change it but let the bombers have a bit of fun first

Hurtfan

I took a break for a while and came back and PvP, I experienced the bomber for the first time. I had no idea that AoEs were nerfed and I was already getting bombed a lot lol...so now I can expect to be bombed even more yay!....

Not calling for a nerf, just realizing I need to be even more careful with bombers in the vicinity. And maybe put back Eye of the Storm to my tool bar...

fastolfv_ESO

heals are aoe based so no people will not spread out lol, nothing is going to change except the few guilds that run 2 raids will go down much faster with a well times negate

boombazookajd

So, maybe a silly question, how does this (if at all) impact PVE AoE?

josiahva

All this means is that zergs AOEs will hit HARDER, it will become one big zerg on zerg battle, each zerg trying to put out more damage with their AOEs before they crumble. I think this wont have the effect small scale players are hoping for. If those players were actually interested in small scale combat, they would go to IC anyway, not run around in Cyrodiil