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Storage Chests and Coffers need to come in tradable Runeboxes
Stormahawk
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As it stands, you have to get all 8 storage chests and coffers, you need either 1200 vouchers or 1.2 million Telvar! Since they are not tradable, you have to do it yourself.
The problem is writs are rare as it is, and you need to be maxed out on all research and motifs to do the bigger writs. This really restricts this only to players who have put months of work and gold into their crafters. The fix for this is to put the storage chests and coffers into Runeboxes, which will make them tradable. This will make storage chests more available to the general population and while also creating a small economy around these.
Here is the cost breakdown.
Chests (60 capacity) and cost 200 vouchers or 200,000 Tel Var (800 vouchers or 800K Telvar for all 4)
Coffers (30 capacity) cost 100 vouchers or 100,000 Tel Var (400 vouchers or 400K Telvar for all 4)
The problem is writs are rare as it is, and you need to be maxed out on all research and motifs to do the bigger writs. This really restricts this only to players who have put months of work and gold into their crafters. The fix for this is to put the storage chests and coffers into Runeboxes, which will make them tradable. This will make storage chests more available to the general population and while also creating a small economy around these.
Here is the cost breakdown.
Chests (60 capacity) and cost 200 vouchers or 200,000 Tel Var (800 vouchers or 800K Telvar for all 4)
Coffers (30 capacity) cost 100 vouchers or 100,000 Tel Var (400 vouchers or 400K Telvar for all 4)
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Well so much for me ever having storageTenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭1.2 million tel var is nothing.
The most important thing is that I will have many new people to farm tel var from.The Age of Wrobel.6 -
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✭✭Vouchers are tradable (as in, you can buy the writ, do it and get vouchers) so if all you have in the world is gold, you can buy yourself all the chests you want.
It is just less direct.Edited by SodanTok on January 9, 2018 2:40PM12 -
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✭newtinmpls wrote: »Well so much for me ever having storage
Same. Housing storage was my #1 desire. I've been playing for three months. I'm nowhere near master crafting, I haven't even touched PvP yet, so that leaves me the crown store? I don't think so. There's no reason these coffers and chests can't be tradeable runeboxes. And for them to be added to collections seems to be more of a pain than a real convenience. So far, I'm not pleased.~ "You think me brutish? How do you imagine I view you?" - Molag Bal #misunderstood ~1 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vouchers are tradable (as in, you can buy the writ, do it and get vouchers) so if all you have in the world is gold, you can buy yourself all the chests you want.
It is just less direct.
that is not the same and you know it. you have to be able to CRAFT the writ. most better writs require either rarer motifs and/or sets that take a long time to research. and there is the whole having to level crafting in a first place.
there is absolutely NO reason not to put storage into tradable runeboxes. instead of forcing everyone into crafting, restricting it to farming DLC zone, or crowns, how about we promote the economy and help EXISTING crafters by giving them something to do with THEIR vouchers and patiently learned skills?Edited by Linaleah on January 9, 2018 2:50PMdirty worthless casual.
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Avidspark✭✭✭✭Vouchers are tradable (as in, you can buy the writ, do it and get vouchers) so if all you have in the world is gold, you can buy yourself all the chests you want.
It is just less direct.
They aren't though, as you need the skills/motifs/etc in order to do them...'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Vouchers are tradable (as in, you can buy the writ, do it and get vouchers) so if all you have in the world is gold, you can buy yourself all the chests you want.
It is just less direct.
that is not the same and you know it. you have to be able to CRAFT the writ. most better writs require either rarer motifs and/or sets that take a long time to research. and there is the whole having to level crafting in a first place.
there is absolutely NO reason not to put storage into tradable runeboxes. instead of forcing everyone into crafting, restricting it to farming DLC zone, or crowns, how about we promote the economy and help EXISTING crafters by giving them something to do with THEIR vouchers and patiently learned skills?
Well, dont look so high you two. Because 100 2 voucher worth writs give you the same number of vouchers as 2 100 voucher worth writs.
And if you cant craft potions or poisons you dont know how to play this game anyway.Edited by SodanTok on January 9, 2018 4:14PM5 -
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there is absolutely NO reason not to put storage into tradable runeboxes. instead of forcing everyone into crafting, restricting it to farming DLC zone, or crowns, how about we promote the economy and help EXISTING crafters by giving them something to do with THEIR vouchers and patiently learned skills?Vouchers are tradable (as in, you can buy the writ, do it and get vouchers) so if all you have in the world is gold, you can buy yourself all the chests you want.
It is just less direct.
To you and I and most other players, this statement is true. There is no reason not to make them tradable... unless you are ZOS and looking to make some money selling them for crowns to players without a max motif crafter or who don't want to lose more tel var than they gain getting wrecked in IC.
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Stormahawk✭✭✭✭Vouchers are tradable (as in, you can buy the writ, do it and get vouchers) so if all you have in the world is gold, you can buy yourself all the chests you want.
It is just less direct.
that is not the same and you know it. you have to be able to CRAFT the writ. most better writs require either rarer motifs and/or sets that take a long time to research. and there is the whole having to level crafting in a first place.
there is absolutely NO reason not to put storage into tradable runeboxes. instead of forcing everyone into crafting, restricting it to farming DLC zone, or crowns, how about we promote the economy and help EXISTING crafters by giving them something to do with THEIR vouchers and patiently learned skills?
Well, dont look so high you two. Because 100 2 voucher worth writs give you the same number of vouchers as 2 100 voucher worth writs.
And if you cant craft potions or poisons you dont know how to play this game anyway.
The potion/poison ones on average give 2 writs each. Imagine having to get all 1200 vouchers this way. That's why we need these storage chests to come in Runeboxes so that they are tradable.
As for doing bigger crafting writs, you need both the style motif learned and the trait researched, so for those who aren't maxed out on crafters they have a very limited pool of writs they can work with.3 -
MrTtheDK✭✭✭1.2 million tel var is nothing.
The most important thing is that I will have many new people to farm tel var from.
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✭✭✭✭✭Stormahawk wrote: »As it stands, you have to get all 8 storage chests and coffers, you need either 1200 vouchers or 1.2 million Telvar! Since they are not tradable, you have to do it yourself.
The problem is writs are rare as it is, and you need to be maxed out on all research and motifs to do the bigger writs. This really restricts this only to players who have put months of work and gold into their crafters. The fix for this is to put the storage chests and coffers into Runeboxes, which will make them tradable. This will make storage chests more available to the general population and while also creating a small economy around these.
Here is the cost breakdown.
Chests (60 capacity) and cost 200 vouchers or 200,000 Tel Var (800 vouchers or 800K Telvar for all 4)
Coffers (30 capacity) cost 100 vouchers or 100,000 Tel Var (400 vouchers or 400K Telvar for all 4)
Is it a good idea to let players spend crowns to sell those wares for in game gold? That's what is really being suggested here.0 -
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✭I think prices are reasonable. If you're a new player odds are you won't have enough gold to buy them from guild stores either since they obviously would have a very high price.
I wouldn't mind if they make them indirectly available for gold via trading but I think it's clear that their original intent is to make them a rare reward for dedicated players. Let's see if that changes with player feedback.PC/DC/NAserver
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stormahawk wrote: »As it stands, you have to get all 8 storage chests and coffers, you need either 1200 vouchers or 1.2 million Telvar! Since they are not tradable, you have to do it yourself.
The problem is writs are rare as it is, and you need to be maxed out on all research and motifs to do the bigger writs. This really restricts this only to players who have put months of work and gold into their crafters. The fix for this is to put the storage chests and coffers into Runeboxes, which will make them tradable. This will make storage chests more available to the general population and while also creating a small economy around these.
Here is the cost breakdown.
Chests (60 capacity) and cost 200 vouchers or 200,000 Tel Var (800 vouchers or 800K Telvar for all 4)
Coffers (30 capacity) cost 100 vouchers or 100,000 Tel Var (400 vouchers or 400K Telvar for all 4)
Is it a good idea to let players spend crowns to sell those wares for in game gold? That's what is really being suggested here.
no its not. motifs bought from crown store are not tradable. those very same motifs bought from players? are. same goes for every. single furnishing. that is identical between crown and in game version.. except for the whole crown items are bound on purchase thing.
ZoS can already make these things separate between crown and in game. making voucher bought boxes into runeboxes will not automaticaly make crown store purchases sellabledirty worthless casual.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stormahawk wrote: »As it stands, you have to get all 8 storage chests and coffers, you need either 1200 vouchers or 1.2 million Telvar! Since they are not tradable, you have to do it yourself.
The problem is writs are rare as it is, and you need to be maxed out on all research and motifs to do the bigger writs. This really restricts this only to players who have put months of work and gold into their crafters. The fix for this is to put the storage chests and coffers into Runeboxes, which will make them tradable. This will make storage chests more available to the general population and while also creating a small economy around these.
Here is the cost breakdown.
Chests (60 capacity) and cost 200 vouchers or 200,000 Tel Var (800 vouchers or 800K Telvar for all 4)
Coffers (30 capacity) cost 100 vouchers or 100,000 Tel Var (400 vouchers or 400K Telvar for all 4)
Is it a good idea to let players spend crowns to sell those wares for in game gold? That's what is really being suggested here.
no its not. motifs bought from crown store are not tradable. those very same motifs bought from players? are. same goes for every. single furnishing. that is identical between crown and in game version.. except for the whole crown items are bound on purchase thing.
ZoS can already make these things separate between crown and in game. making voucher bought boxes into runeboxes will not automaticaly make crown store purchases sellable
True. But that doesn't make OPs suggestion more or lesss appealing. It seems he has a large stock of tel var or vouchers and wants to make bank. If that's not something Zos wants it probably will not happen.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think the prices are fine. It gives people a reason to go to IC again and makes Tel Var worth something again. I have 300K TV so I'll need a lot more and I'm happy to have a reason to go there again.
People complaining that you need to learn the motifs for master writs. If you've been working on a crafter, you already know some of them. You can find hundreds of master writs for sale on guild stores. I'm sure you can find plenty you can craft.
This is a long term project and gives us all something to do and work toward in the game. This is a good thing. No need to have it all right away.
Edited by Katahdin on January 9, 2018 6:51PMBeta tester November 20137 -
Dasovaruilos✭✭✭✭✭As others have said, making them treadeable would mean taking them OFF the Store, because otherwise it would be really easy to just buy a bunch of those with real money and then selling for in game gold.
And I bet the vast majority of the playerbase would much rather have the option to have them in the Store, bound, than to not being able to buy them in Store just to remove one step to buy with in game gold.
As others have said, Alchemy and Enchanting Writs are very easily doable. The Essence ones give FIVE writs. Some Enchanting give 40 and they sell for cheap since many people do not like to do them.
So I think this complain is not valid at all.
EVEN if you don't PvP, EVEN if you don't have a max level crafter, EVEN if you don't want to spend real money, you can still EASILY get the chests by buying and doing Alchemy and Enchanting writs.3 -
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Not at all. They could do it like they do with the furniture in the Crown Store. If you buy furniture from the Store, it's not tradeable or sellable in the game. But you can craft furniture, and sell it, and you can also sell furniture that you get from doing Master Writs. The storage chests could very easily be the same.As others have said, making them treadeable would mean taking them OFF the Store, because otherwise it would be really easy to just buy a bunch of those with real money and then selling for in game gold.2 -
Stormahawk✭✭✭✭This post isn't asking to make the Crown Store storage chests tradable (those should be bound), only the ones that you get from doing writ vouchers or Telvar should be tradable.
This current system is going to make storage unavailable to the majority of the playerbase, and would also make it the only writ voucher vendor item to be bound. Additionally, extra storage slots aren't exactly the end goal in games but a means of attaining the end goal.
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KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭Long term goals are great to have.KanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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Stormahawk✭✭✭✭KanedaSyndrome wrote: »Long term goals are great to have.
More storage is not an end-game goal. Being a master crafter or a PvPer is, and more storage is the means of getting there. If storage chests were the intended end-goal, then they would not make them available for purchase with crowns (the same way the Emperor costume isn't purchasable with Crowns).
Storage chests are right now set up similarly to motif books. Motif books/pages are available as rare drops or can be bought on the Crown store. However the motif pages/books can be traded and the storage chest are bound.3 -
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✭1.2 million tel var is nothing.
The most important thing is that I will have many new people to farm tel var from.
Which is why it is the opposite of "nothing".
1) Telvar are hard to get because of pvp. They just get taken from you.
2) It's still a long grind.
3) Most of us will still avoid pvp so you won't have anybody to farm.
I would buy from the crown store before pvping that much, even if it is pve farming in a pvp zone. It's just not worth it.6 -
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✭Stormahawk wrote: »Vouchers are tradable (as in, you can buy the writ, do it and get vouchers) so if all you have in the world is gold, you can buy yourself all the chests you want.
It is just less direct.
that is not the same and you know it. you have to be able to CRAFT the writ. most better writs require either rarer motifs and/or sets that take a long time to research. and there is the whole having to level crafting in a first place.
there is absolutely NO reason not to put storage into tradable runeboxes. instead of forcing everyone into crafting, restricting it to farming DLC zone, or crowns, how about we promote the economy and help EXISTING crafters by giving them something to do with THEIR vouchers and patiently learned skills?
Well, dont look so high you two. Because 100 2 voucher worth writs give you the same number of vouchers as 2 100 voucher worth writs.
And if you cant craft potions or poisons you dont know how to play this game anyway.
The potion/poison ones on average give 2 writs each. Imagine having to get all 1200 vouchers this way. That's why we need these storage chests to come in Runeboxes so that they are tradable.
The worst part is how long it takes to get those writs if you don't want to or can't afford to buy them with all the other things gold goes for.
I gave up n master writs when they first came out after doing 5 characters of provisioning writs every day for a month and only having 10 master writs worth 1-2 vouchers each. Then, most used perfect roe which I have not been farming either. They are far too rare a drop for even the smallest reward vouchers.
They are definitely pushing the crown store, sadly.
I've, thankfully, got some crowns stored from the last sale and very few confirmed things coming I want to spend them on, so this may not be that bad for me. FYI devs, please add more cool simpler costumes and bring that nocturnal dress costume asap so I have stuff to spend crowns on. I would also like flame mounts that are actually all flame effects, and more ghost mounts like the datamined horse. I love magical effects and am less enamored with solid "realistic mounts".0 -
BlazingDynamo✭✭✭✭✭If they made them tradable then they would lose out on more people just being fed up and buying them from the crown store.
You have to think like Zos.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yooooooo that's actually a really good idea! Full agree.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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Are you the guy we were 2v3ing and getting rage whispers from, and demanding we 2v2? Your names seem familiar, either way see you in IC I'm there practically every time I log in.Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »1.2 million tel var is nothing.
The most important thing is that I will have many new people to farm tel var from.
Which is why it is the opposite of "nothing".
1) Telvar are hard to get because of pvp. They just get taken from you.
2) It's still a long grind.
3) Most of us will still avoid pvp so you won't have anybody to farm.
I would buy from the crown store before pvping that much, even if it is pve farming in a pvp zone. It's just not worth it.1) Telvar are hard to get because of pvp. They just get taken from you.
False to both of these. First off you only lose half of your stones, you never walk away with nothing. So what if you grind 50K TV and get ganked, bank the rest and go back. The person that ganked you has no guarantee he'll even keep your half, he may get zerged by your faction.2) It's still a long grind.3) Most of us will still avoid pvp so you won't have anybody to farm.
It's not a long grind at all, you just need to know what you're doing. And if you know what you're doing, you can PvE grind whilst avoiding PvP very easily. If I want to PvE grind TV I can easily do so solo or duo, and walk away with 150K give or take an hour.
IC is mostly dead on PC NA, idk about other platforms.Edited by OdinForge on January 10, 2018 2:20PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Honestly, the housing storage pales compared to outfits, in terms of design. From what I have seen, they are not worth what theY provide. Not even close.
I won't use them. I don't care if they are in the game or not. I don't even feel they are worth posting a review in the Official thread, but I probably will anyway.
I can't them making them runeboxes, which is a shame, since that might make up for it.Edited by Elsonso on January 10, 2018 2:36PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Taysa✭✭✭✭✭Stormahawk wrote: »As it stands, you have to get all 8 storage chests and coffers, you need either 1200 vouchers or 1.2 million Telvar! Since they are not tradable, you have to do it yourself.
The problem is writs are rare as it is, and you need to be maxed out on all research and motifs to do the bigger writs. This really restricts this only to players who have put months of work and gold into their crafters. The fix for this is to put the storage chests and coffers into Runeboxes, which will make them tradable. This will make storage chests more available to the general population and while also creating a small economy around these.
Here is the cost breakdown.
Chests (60 capacity) and cost 200 vouchers or 200,000 Tel Var (800 vouchers or 800K Telvar for all 4)
Coffers (30 capacity) cost 100 vouchers or 100,000 Tel Var (400 vouchers or 400K Telvar for all 4)
Is it a good idea to let players spend crowns to sell those wares for in game gold? That's what is really being suggested here.As others have said, making them treadeable would mean taking them OFF the Store, because otherwise it would be really easy to just buy a bunch of those with real money and then selling for in game gold.
Don't be daft, you two.
You can already purchase furnishings off the crown store that are available readily in game. Those furnishings are bound to your account, and the crown purchased storage crates would work the same.
Edited by Taysa on January 10, 2018 2:58PM5/24/18: The day ZoS suspended my forum account for trolling a troll.5
