PC/NA Vivec why does ep get so much hate from the other factions?

Yamakaziing

No no no all factions are equally guilty

Yamakaziing

Still getting perma CC'd bro soooo not sure what you are trying to say. Hopefully this new update adds some good changes

Ghostbane

2018, folks still callin out cheating.

HaroniNDeorum

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

On a serious note I think at this point the mass AD reroll is not just to play with friends but a small amount is. AD has a huge casual population that would rather reroll than get gud.

II would say in a lot of cases it's exactly the opposite, AD has a huge casual population so the players who want to 'Git gud' re-roll.

They are rerolling to fight casuals to get gud? Makes a lot of sense.

Come on, you're a smarter cookie than that, you know what was implied.

The certain AD I know for example who has been getting a lot of *** for his re-roll did so because he was frustrated with AD not being able to provide the committed PVP environment he was seeking. He takes his PVP seriously and wants to get the best out of himself.

He has, and still actively does attempt to provide this for AD during his time zone. What this person tried to give his faction is not questionable. Unfortunately his advice was never heeded. It's not a matter of taking the path of least resistance, if you knew the circumstances of this particular case then you'd be ignorant to say so. It's a matter of surrounding yourself with like minded people who share your goals. Can't blame a man for that.

Are your talking about Mr H? If so we had a lot invested into him including myself. I am not being ignorant I am picking on somebody that we spent a lot of time, gold and energy training to be a lead because he had potential. I will pick on him because of this. Losing leads at this point is just a kick while AD is down no matter how it is spun. Don’t worry though AD’s cycle will be up again and EP or DC will be going through the same thing again. It happened to all factions in the Cyrodiil history.

I know you talk by DomDom, a guild i was in since i started pvping with comms; i also know the gm and 1st officer helped me during those early months, i am not ignorant, during my Dd time i led groups for multiple months and helped new players same way DD gm did with me, even when they were not in guild; i did help many Ad players because i knew what Dd did for me it was always my passion to make the faction stronger and organized but Ad showed stale during long months, i formed my guild, Artem Deorum and bring a group of players really dedicated and with desire to grow up and make an organized environment together which i still lead and feel proud of it. Then it was my time to help my other guilds and in general other Ad guilds and during months all ideas i bring into the table was rejected one by one or not even listened because other ad leaders inmediately said "no thanks, we are fiine"

You can talk abour your "frustration" everything you want, but Viles is right about the frustration i feel when the faction and players who helped me and then i tried to help back with all mechanics i could offer...only rejects me and now they trash talk to me, i mean... why would Ad players trash talk about me when in first place those Ad "loyal players" didnt want to know or listen my ideas and move me to the side?

Perhaps, i am repeatedly saying the same reason over and over and its because, man, thats the only reason. Ad may feel dissapointed because i am playing Ep too some days; i do feel dissapointed too because all those Ads rejected, didnt listen, didnt notice everything what a dedicated player wwanted to show.

Hexquisite

The explanation is simpler than all above : AP.
It is faster and easier to take Chal Mine and Chal Keep over and over for shared quest. As well as the fight that ensues between Chal Mine and Chal Keep, with DC owning/retaking the mine usually rakes in a ton of AP, as DC has the field advantage in this fight. Yesterday I got a 6 k D tick when everyone ran away after someone

Where as Roe, for whatever reason people want to fight on those steps, which can be fun, but not the best place to fight, plus no D ticks.

VaranisArano

Hexquisite wrote: »

The explanation is simpler than all above : AP.
It is faster and easier to take Chal Mine and Chal Keep over and over for shared quest. As well as the fight that ensues between Chal Mine and Chal Keep, with DC owning/retaking the mine usually rakes in a ton of AP, as DC has the field advantage in this fight. Yesterday I got a 6 k D tick when everyone ran away after someone

Where as Roe, for whatever reason people want to fight on those steps, which can be fun, but not the best place to fight, plus no D ticks.

When DC thinks Chalman is a home keep and EP thinks Aleswell is a home keep, this was always going to end in a mess at Bleakers.

antihero727

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

On a serious note I think at this point the mass AD reroll is not just to play with friends but a small amount is. AD has a huge casual population that would rather reroll than get gud.

II would say in a lot of cases it's exactly the opposite, AD has a huge casual population so the players who want to 'Git gud' re-roll.

They are rerolling to fight casuals to get gud? Makes a lot of sense.

Come on, you're a smarter cookie than that, you know what was implied.

The certain AD I know for example who has been getting a lot of *** for his re-roll did so because he was frustrated with AD not being able to provide the committed PVP environment he was seeking. He takes his PVP seriously and wants to get the best out of himself.

He has, and still actively does attempt to provide this for AD during his time zone. What this person tried to give his faction is not questionable. Unfortunately his advice was never heeded. It's not a matter of taking the path of least resistance, if you knew the circumstances of this particular case then you'd be ignorant to say so. It's a matter of surrounding yourself with like minded people who share your goals. Can't blame a man for that.

Are your talking about Mr H? If so we had a lot invested into him including myself. I am not being ignorant I am picking on somebody that we spent a lot of time, gold and energy training to be a lead because he had potential. I will pick on him because of this. Losing leads at this point is just a kick while AD is down no matter how it is spun. Don’t worry though AD’s cycle will be up again and EP or DC will be going through the same thing again. It happened to all factions in the Cyrodiil history.

I know you talk by DomDom, a guild i was in since i started pvping with comms; i also know the gm and 1st officer helped me during those early months, i am not ignorant, during my Dd time i led groups for multiple months and helped new players same way DD gm did with me, even when they were not in guild; i did help many Ad players because i knew what Dd did for me it was always my passion to make the faction stronger and organized but Ad showed stale during long months, i formed my guild, Artem Deorum and bring a group of players really dedicated and with desire to grow up and make an organized environment together which i still lead and feel proud of it. Then it was my time to help my other guilds and in general other Ad guilds and during months all ideas i bring into the table was rejected one by one or not even listened because other ad leaders inmediately said "no thanks, we are fiine"

You can talk abour your "frustration" everything you want, but Viles is right about the frustration i feel when the faction and players who helped me and then i tried to help back with all mechanics i could offer...only rejects me and now they trash talk to me, i mean... why would Ad players trash talk about me when in first place those Ad "loyal players" didnt want to know or listen my ideas and move me to the side?

Perhaps, i am repeatedly saying the same reason over and over and its because, man, thats the only reason. Ad may feel dissapointed because i am playing Ep too some days; i do feel dissapointed too because all those Ads rejected, didnt listen, didnt notice everything what a dedicated player wwanted to show.

We are still ok because in the end it’s just a game. The fact is you went to do your own thing, it didn’t work out and in the end your guild failed to live up to your standards. The GM of a guild is the driving force either you picked the wrong people, had the wrong comp or didn’t put enough in. Please keep blaming AD for your failures in getting the results you wanted out of your guild. We do just fine when our regulars log on and have no issues standing up to the “best” guilds. Just saying that your giving up when we are at a low point shows your dedication to the people that helped you when you were down in the beginning.

Anazasi

Yamakaziing wrote: »

Oh here we go now we talking about morals online.. okay well I'll just say this one last thing on... change up Disorienting Spear. Don't remove it all together because you can't handle it

I'm a templar and I hated they nerfed it. Wish they would bring it back just like blinding flashes. But we both know ZOS aint doing that.

Hexquisite

VaranisArano wrote: »

Hexquisite wrote: »

The explanation is simpler than all above : AP.
It is faster and easier to take Chal Mine and Chal Keep over and over for shared quest. As well as the fight that ensues between Chal Mine and Chal Keep, with DC owning/retaking the mine usually rakes in a ton of AP, as DC has the field advantage in this fight. Yesterday I got a 6 k D tick when everyone ran away after someone

Where as Roe, for whatever reason people want to fight on those steps, which can be fun, but not the best place to fight, plus no D ticks.

When DC thinks Chalman is a home keep and EP thinks Aleswell is a home keep, this was always going to end in a mess at Bleakers.

Bleakers a Mess = A ton of AP:)

Kilandros

@Anazasi did you get my part-time raid lead application????

I'm ready for Meteor Mondays! Cowards Run away only to be chased down like the dogs they are. Aye comrade?

HaroniNDeorum

antihero727 wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

On a serious note I think at this point the mass AD reroll is not just to play with friends but a small amount is. AD has a huge casual population that would rather reroll than get gud.

II would say in a lot of cases it's exactly the opposite, AD has a huge casual population so the players who want to 'Git gud' re-roll.

They are rerolling to fight casuals to get gud? Makes a lot of sense.

Come on, you're a smarter cookie than that, you know what was implied.

The certain AD I know for example who has been getting a lot of *** for his re-roll did so because he was frustrated with AD not being able to provide the committed PVP environment he was seeking. He takes his PVP seriously and wants to get the best out of himself.

He has, and still actively does attempt to provide this for AD during his time zone. What this person tried to give his faction is not questionable. Unfortunately his advice was never heeded. It's not a matter of taking the path of least resistance, if you knew the circumstances of this particular case then you'd be ignorant to say so. It's a matter of surrounding yourself with like minded people who share your goals. Can't blame a man for that.

Are your talking about Mr H? If so we had a lot invested into him including myself. I am not being ignorant I am picking on somebody that we spent a lot of time, gold and energy training to be a lead because he had potential. I will pick on him because of this. Losing leads at this point is just a kick while AD is down no matter how it is spun. Don’t worry though AD’s cycle will be up again and EP or DC will be going through the same thing again. It happened to all factions in the Cyrodiil history.

I know you talk by DomDom, a guild i was in since i started pvping with comms; i also know the gm and 1st officer helped me during those early months, i am not ignorant, during my Dd time i led groups for multiple months and helped new players same way DD gm did with me, even when they were not in guild; i did help many Ad players because i knew what Dd did for me it was always my passion to make the faction stronger and organized but Ad showed stale during long months, i formed my guild, Artem Deorum and bring a group of players really dedicated and with desire to grow up and make an organized environment together which i still lead and feel proud of it. Then it was my time to help my other guilds and in general other Ad guilds and during months all ideas i bring into the table was rejected one by one or not even listened because other ad leaders inmediately said "no thanks, we are fiine"

You can talk abour your "frustration" everything you want, but Viles is right about the frustration i feel when the faction and players who helped me and then i tried to help back with all mechanics i could offer...only rejects me and now they trash talk to me, i mean... why would Ad players trash talk about me when in first place those Ad "loyal players" didnt want to know or listen my ideas and move me to the side?

Perhaps, i am repeatedly saying the same reason over and over and its because, man, thats the only reason. Ad may feel dissapointed because i am playing Ep too some days; i do feel dissapointed too because all those Ads rejected, didnt listen, didnt notice everything what a dedicated player wwanted to show.

We are still ok because in the end it’s just a game. The fact is you went to do your own thing, it didn’t work out and in the end your guild failed to live up to your standards. The GM of a guild is the driving force either you picked the wrong people, had the wrong comp or didn’t put enough in. Please keep blaming AD for your failures in getting the results you wanted out of your guild. We do just fine when our regulars log on and have no issues standing up to the “best” guilds. Just saying that your giving up when we are at a low point shows your dedication to the people that helped you when you were down in the beginning.

Looks like someone is talking without knowledge. 1. My guild failed? excuse me? My guild still play together, i still lead groups and we have fun fighting around the map, the fact you dont see us is your own problem, but dont come here and state in fact "your guild failed to live up to your standard" just when one post ago i said i have a good group of players, dedicated, organized and with desire of improvement; we even have people on trial, people who wants to join my guild training hard to be part of.

2. Picked the wrong people, wrong comp or put enough in? are you even serious about this? I am proud of my guild mates and how we play the game and how we share more than just a game, its cool friendship. Please, do not come here talking about "comp" when you still cant define a proper group with decent builds or a core group.

3. "Keep blaming AD" you talk as many other ad players, finding excuses or complaining about everything they can to ignore their stale status of "do just fine" and you can keep saying i gave up or whatever excuse you have; i proved you that i keep playing with my guild Artem, enjoying some days pvp with Drac and constantly improve with my environment of players.

An advice, if you know that you are at low point, dont reject the next player who offers helps and tips.You will just end up staying there.

antihero727

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

On a serious note I think at this point the mass AD reroll is not just to play with friends but a small amount is. AD has a huge casual population that would rather reroll than get gud.

II would say in a lot of cases it's exactly the opposite, AD has a huge casual population so the players who want to 'Git gud' re-roll.

They are rerolling to fight casuals to get gud? Makes a lot of sense.

Come on, you're a smarter cookie than that, you know what was implied.

The certain AD I know for example who has been getting a lot of *** for his re-roll did so because he was frustrated with AD not being able to provide the committed PVP environment he was seeking. He takes his PVP seriously and wants to get the best out of himself.

He has, and still actively does attempt to provide this for AD during his time zone. What this person tried to give his faction is not questionable. Unfortunately his advice was never heeded. It's not a matter of taking the path of least resistance, if you knew the circumstances of this particular case then you'd be ignorant to say so. It's a matter of surrounding yourself with like minded people who share your goals. Can't blame a man for that.

Are your talking about Mr H? If so we had a lot invested into him including myself. I am not being ignorant I am picking on somebody that we spent a lot of time, gold and energy training to be a lead because he had potential. I will pick on him because of this. Losing leads at this point is just a kick while AD is down no matter how it is spun. Don’t worry though AD’s cycle will be up again and EP or DC will be going through the same thing again. It happened to all factions in the Cyrodiil history.

I know you talk by DomDom, a guild i was in since i started pvping with comms; i also know the gm and 1st officer helped me during those early months, i am not ignorant, during my Dd time i led groups for multiple months and helped new players same way DD gm did with me, even when they were not in guild; i did help many Ad players because i knew what Dd did for me it was always my passion to make the faction stronger and organized but Ad showed stale during long months, i formed my guild, Artem Deorum and bring a group of players really dedicated and with desire to grow up and make an organized environment together which i still lead and feel proud of it. Then it was my time to help my other guilds and in general other Ad guilds and during months all ideas i bring into the table was rejected one by one or not even listened because other ad leaders inmediately said "no thanks, we are fiine"

You can talk abour your "frustration" everything you want, but Viles is right about the frustration i feel when the faction and players who helped me and then i tried to help back with all mechanics i could offer...only rejects me and now they trash talk to me, i mean... why would Ad players trash talk about me when in first place those Ad "loyal players" didnt want to know or listen my ideas and move me to the side?

Perhaps, i am repeatedly saying the same reason over and over and its because, man, thats the only reason. Ad may feel dissapointed because i am playing Ep too some days; i do feel dissapointed too because all those Ads rejected, didnt listen, didnt notice everything what a dedicated player wwanted to show.

We are still ok because in the end it’s just a game. The fact is you went to do your own thing, it didn’t work out and in the end your guild failed to live up to your standards. The GM of a guild is the driving force either you picked the wrong people, had the wrong comp or didn’t put enough in. Please keep blaming AD for your failures in getting the results you wanted out of your guild. We do just fine when our regulars log on and have no issues standing up to the “best” guilds. Just saying that your giving up when we are at a low point shows your dedication to the people that helped you when you were down in the beginning.

Looks like someone is talking without knowledge. 1. My guild failed? excuse me? My guild still play together, i still lead groups and we have fun fighting around the map, the fact you dont see us is your own problem, but dont come here and state in fact "your guild failed to live up to your standard" just when one post ago i said i have a good group of players, dedicated, organized and with desire of improvement; we even have people on trial, people who wants to join my guild training hard to be part of.

2. Picked the wrong people, wrong comp or put enough in? are you even serious about this? I am proud of my guild mates and how we play the game and how we share more than just a game, its cool friendship. Please, do not come here talking about "comp" when you still cant define a proper group with decent builds or a core group.

3. "Keep blaming AD" you talk as many other ad players, finding excuses or complaining about everything they can to ignore their stale status of "do just fine" and you can keep saying i gave up or whatever excuse you have; i proved you that i keep playing with my guild Artem, enjoying some days pvp with Drac and constantly improve with my environment of players.

An advice, if you know that you are at low point, dont reject the next player who offers helps and tips.You will just end up staying there.

If your guild is doing so well why are you wasting your time with EP then? AD in general is at a low point as was DC and EP at a point in time. Long winded answers for a simple question.

DHale

Ahhhhh, cause DC has good players. That’s why. I carried 50 k gold to send the first red player I saw that was running solo. That was three years ago..... I still have it. If only I could earn interest. On red (on my server and platform) there is only Dracarys. Before that Haxus before that Havok. Most of the same players tbh. If Drac ever switched alliances....

HaroniNDeorum

antihero727 wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

On a serious note I think at this point the mass AD reroll is not just to play with friends but a small amount is. AD has a huge casual population that would rather reroll than get gud.

II would say in a lot of cases it's exactly the opposite, AD has a huge casual population so the players who want to 'Git gud' re-roll.

They are rerolling to fight casuals to get gud? Makes a lot of sense.

Come on, you're a smarter cookie than that, you know what was implied.

The certain AD I know for example who has been getting a lot of *** for his re-roll did so because he was frustrated with AD not being able to provide the committed PVP environment he was seeking. He takes his PVP seriously and wants to get the best out of himself.

He has, and still actively does attempt to provide this for AD during his time zone. What this person tried to give his faction is not questionable. Unfortunately his advice was never heeded. It's not a matter of taking the path of least resistance, if you knew the circumstances of this particular case then you'd be ignorant to say so. It's a matter of surrounding yourself with like minded people who share your goals. Can't blame a man for that.

Are your talking about Mr H? If so we had a lot invested into him including myself. I am not being ignorant I am picking on somebody that we spent a lot of time, gold and energy training to be a lead because he had potential. I will pick on him because of this. Losing leads at this point is just a kick while AD is down no matter how it is spun. Don’t worry though AD’s cycle will be up again and EP or DC will be going through the same thing again. It happened to all factions in the Cyrodiil history.

I know you talk by DomDom, a guild i was in since i started pvping with comms; i also know the gm and 1st officer helped me during those early months, i am not ignorant, during my Dd time i led groups for multiple months and helped new players same way DD gm did with me, even when they were not in guild; i did help many Ad players because i knew what Dd did for me it was always my passion to make the faction stronger and organized but Ad showed stale during long months, i formed my guild, Artem Deorum and bring a group of players really dedicated and with desire to grow up and make an organized environment together which i still lead and feel proud of it. Then it was my time to help my other guilds and in general other Ad guilds and during months all ideas i bring into the table was rejected one by one or not even listened because other ad leaders inmediately said "no thanks, we are fiine"

You can talk abour your "frustration" everything you want, but Viles is right about the frustration i feel when the faction and players who helped me and then i tried to help back with all mechanics i could offer...only rejects me and now they trash talk to me, i mean... why would Ad players trash talk about me when in first place those Ad "loyal players" didnt want to know or listen my ideas and move me to the side?

Perhaps, i am repeatedly saying the same reason over and over and its because, man, thats the only reason. Ad may feel dissapointed because i am playing Ep too some days; i do feel dissapointed too because all those Ads rejected, didnt listen, didnt notice everything what a dedicated player wwanted to show.

We are still ok because in the end it’s just a game. The fact is you went to do your own thing, it didn’t work out and in the end your guild failed to live up to your standards. The GM of a guild is the driving force either you picked the wrong people, had the wrong comp or didn’t put enough in. Please keep blaming AD for your failures in getting the results you wanted out of your guild. We do just fine when our regulars log on and have no issues standing up to the “best” guilds. Just saying that your giving up when we are at a low point shows your dedication to the people that helped you when you were down in the beginning.

Looks like someone is talking without knowledge. 1. My guild failed? excuse me? My guild still play together, i still lead groups and we have fun fighting around the map, the fact you dont see us is your own problem, but dont come here and state in fact "your guild failed to live up to your standard" just when one post ago i said i have a good group of players, dedicated, organized and with desire of improvement; we even have people on trial, people who wants to join my guild training hard to be part of.

2. Picked the wrong people, wrong comp or put enough in? are you even serious about this? I am proud of my guild mates and how we play the game and how we share more than just a game, its cool friendship. Please, do not come here talking about "comp" when you still cant define a proper group with decent builds or a core group.

3. "Keep blaming AD" you talk as many other ad players, finding excuses or complaining about everything they can to ignore their stale status of "do just fine" and you can keep saying i gave up or whatever excuse you have; i proved you that i keep playing with my guild Artem, enjoying some days pvp with Drac and constantly improve with my environment of players.

An advice, if you know that you are at low point, dont reject the next player who offers helps and tips.You will just end up staying there.

If your guild is doing so well why are you wasting your time with EP then? AD in general is at a low point as was DC and EP at a point in time. Long winded answers for a simple question.

DING DING DIING DIIING ! WE HAVE A WINNER!

I recommend you to read the post of Viles, is in this thread, few posts ago. He explained it very very well.

Potenza

I can tell you why your getting the hate from AD. While we are trying to push DC - EP is constantly hitting our backyard at fare, bb and bm when they SHOULD be pushing DC as they are the leader in points to win the campaign.

antihero727

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

On a serious note I think at this point the mass AD reroll is not just to play with friends but a small amount is. AD has a huge casual population that would rather reroll than get gud.

II would say in a lot of cases it's exactly the opposite, AD has a huge casual population so the players who want to 'Git gud' re-roll.

They are rerolling to fight casuals to get gud? Makes a lot of sense.

Come on, you're a smarter cookie than that, you know what was implied.

The certain AD I know for example who has been getting a lot of *** for his re-roll did so because he was frustrated with AD not being able to provide the committed PVP environment he was seeking. He takes his PVP seriously and wants to get the best out of himself.

He has, and still actively does attempt to provide this for AD during his time zone. What this person tried to give his faction is not questionable. Unfortunately his advice was never heeded. It's not a matter of taking the path of least resistance, if you knew the circumstances of this particular case then you'd be ignorant to say so. It's a matter of surrounding yourself with like minded people who share your goals. Can't blame a man for that.

Are your talking about Mr H? If so we had a lot invested into him including myself. I am not being ignorant I am picking on somebody that we spent a lot of time, gold and energy training to be a lead because he had potential. I will pick on him because of this. Losing leads at this point is just a kick while AD is down no matter how it is spun. Don’t worry though AD’s cycle will be up again and EP or DC will be going through the same thing again. It happened to all factions in the Cyrodiil history.

I know you talk by DomDom, a guild i was in since i started pvping with comms; i also know the gm and 1st officer helped me during those early months, i am not ignorant, during my Dd time i led groups for multiple months and helped new players same way DD gm did with me, even when they were not in guild; i did help many Ad players because i knew what Dd did for me it was always my passion to make the faction stronger and organized but Ad showed stale during long months, i formed my guild, Artem Deorum and bring a group of players really dedicated and with desire to grow up and make an organized environment together which i still lead and feel proud of it. Then it was my time to help my other guilds and in general other Ad guilds and during months all ideas i bring into the table was rejected one by one or not even listened because other ad leaders inmediately said "no thanks, we are fiine"

You can talk abour your "frustration" everything you want, but Viles is right about the frustration i feel when the faction and players who helped me and then i tried to help back with all mechanics i could offer...only rejects me and now they trash talk to me, i mean... why would Ad players trash talk about me when in first place those Ad "loyal players" didnt want to know or listen my ideas and move me to the side?

Perhaps, i am repeatedly saying the same reason over and over and its because, man, thats the only reason. Ad may feel dissapointed because i am playing Ep too some days; i do feel dissapointed too because all those Ads rejected, didnt listen, didnt notice everything what a dedicated player wwanted to show.

We are still ok because in the end it’s just a game. The fact is you went to do your own thing, it didn’t work out and in the end your guild failed to live up to your standards. The GM of a guild is the driving force either you picked the wrong people, had the wrong comp or didn’t put enough in. Please keep blaming AD for your failures in getting the results you wanted out of your guild. We do just fine when our regulars log on and have no issues standing up to the “best” guilds. Just saying that your giving up when we are at a low point shows your dedication to the people that helped you when you were down in the beginning.

Looks like someone is talking without knowledge. 1. My guild failed? excuse me? My guild still play together, i still lead groups and we have fun fighting around the map, the fact you dont see us is your own problem, but dont come here and state in fact "your guild failed to live up to your standard" just when one post ago i said i have a good group of players, dedicated, organized and with desire of improvement; we even have people on trial, people who wants to join my guild training hard to be part of.

2. Picked the wrong people, wrong comp or put enough in? are you even serious about this? I am proud of my guild mates and how we play the game and how we share more than just a game, its cool friendship. Please, do not come here talking about "comp" when you still cant define a proper group with decent builds or a core group.

3. "Keep blaming AD" you talk as many other ad players, finding excuses or complaining about everything they can to ignore their stale status of "do just fine" and you can keep saying i gave up or whatever excuse you have; i proved you that i keep playing with my guild Artem, enjoying some days pvp with Drac and constantly improve with my environment of players.

An advice, if you know that you are at low point, dont reject the next player who offers helps and tips.You will just end up staying there.

If your guild is doing so well why are you wasting your time with EP then? AD in general is at a low point as was DC and EP at a point in time. Long winded answers for a simple question.

DING DING DIING DIIING ! WE HAVE A WINNER!

I recommend you to read the post of Viles, is in this thread, few posts ago. He explained it very very well.

So instead of helping it get better you tuck your tail and run? When things are hard it’s not an easy climb out of the hole. Shows your true character as a person. DING DING DING HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!

JobooAGS

Potenza wrote: »

I can tell you why your getting the hate from AD. While we are trying to push DC - EP is constantly hitting our backyard at fare, bb and bm when they SHOULD be pushing DC as they are the leader in points to win the campaign.

Undefended or at least weakened keeps vs having to fight 2 factions...

DHale

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

all the faction zerging. and the red zerg always looks the most zergiest. i call this the "Crystalized" effect(named after the First EP GO, who was a Zergling).

Crystallized was epic, but still a runner up to Anon.

Kilandros

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Rohamad_Ali

Haronin went to EP ? When did this happen ? I must of been gone on BDO .. @HaroniNDeorum why are you with EP ? They are smelly Nords and lizards . What in the world is the attraction in that my friend ?

VaranisArano

Potenza wrote: »

I can tell you why your getting the hate from AD. While we are trying to push DC - EP is constantly hitting our backyard at fare, bb and bm when they SHOULD be pushing DC as they are the leader in points to win the campaign.

Hey, if you can figure out how to convince my fellow EP to hit DC when DC leads the campaign instead of AD, let me in on the secret, will ya?

HaroniNDeorum

antihero727 wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

On a serious note I think at this point the mass AD reroll is not just to play with friends but a small amount is. AD has a huge casual population that would rather reroll than get gud.

II would say in a lot of cases it's exactly the opposite, AD has a huge casual population so the players who want to 'Git gud' re-roll.

They are rerolling to fight casuals to get gud? Makes a lot of sense.

Come on, you're a smarter cookie than that, you know what was implied.

The certain AD I know for example who has been getting a lot of *** for his re-roll did so because he was frustrated with AD not being able to provide the committed PVP environment he was seeking. He takes his PVP seriously and wants to get the best out of himself.

He has, and still actively does attempt to provide this for AD during his time zone. What this person tried to give his faction is not questionable. Unfortunately his advice was never heeded. It's not a matter of taking the path of least resistance, if you knew the circumstances of this particular case then you'd be ignorant to say so. It's a matter of surrounding yourself with like minded people who share your goals. Can't blame a man for that.

Are your talking about Mr H? If so we had a lot invested into him including myself. I am not being ignorant I am picking on somebody that we spent a lot of time, gold and energy training to be a lead because he had potential. I will pick on him because of this. Losing leads at this point is just a kick while AD is down no matter how it is spun. Don’t worry though AD’s cycle will be up again and EP or DC will be going through the same thing again. It happened to all factions in the Cyrodiil history.

I know you talk by DomDom, a guild i was in since i started pvping with comms; i also know the gm and 1st officer helped me during those early months, i am not ignorant, during my Dd time i led groups for multiple months and helped new players same way DD gm did with me, even when they were not in guild; i did help many Ad players because i knew what Dd did for me it was always my passion to make the faction stronger and organized but Ad showed stale during long months, i formed my guild, Artem Deorum and bring a group of players really dedicated and with desire to grow up and make an organized environment together which i still lead and feel proud of it. Then it was my time to help my other guilds and in general other Ad guilds and during months all ideas i bring into the table was rejected one by one or not even listened because other ad leaders inmediately said "no thanks, we are fiine"

You can talk abour your "frustration" everything you want, but Viles is right about the frustration i feel when the faction and players who helped me and then i tried to help back with all mechanics i could offer...only rejects me and now they trash talk to me, i mean... why would Ad players trash talk about me when in first place those Ad "loyal players" didnt want to know or listen my ideas and move me to the side?

Perhaps, i am repeatedly saying the same reason over and over and its because, man, thats the only reason. Ad may feel dissapointed because i am playing Ep too some days; i do feel dissapointed too because all those Ads rejected, didnt listen, didnt notice everything what a dedicated player wwanted to show.

We are still ok because in the end it’s just a game. The fact is you went to do your own thing, it didn’t work out and in the end your guild failed to live up to your standards. The GM of a guild is the driving force either you picked the wrong people, had the wrong comp or didn’t put enough in. Please keep blaming AD for your failures in getting the results you wanted out of your guild. We do just fine when our regulars log on and have no issues standing up to the “best” guilds. Just saying that your giving up when we are at a low point shows your dedication to the people that helped you when you were down in the beginning.

Looks like someone is talking without knowledge. 1. My guild failed? excuse me? My guild still play together, i still lead groups and we have fun fighting around the map, the fact you dont see us is your own problem, but dont come here and state in fact "your guild failed to live up to your standard" just when one post ago i said i have a good group of players, dedicated, organized and with desire of improvement; we even have people on trial, people who wants to join my guild training hard to be part of.

2. Picked the wrong people, wrong comp or put enough in? are you even serious about this? I am proud of my guild mates and how we play the game and how we share more than just a game, its cool friendship. Please, do not come here talking about "comp" when you still cant define a proper group with decent builds or a core group.

3. "Keep blaming AD" you talk as many other ad players, finding excuses or complaining about everything they can to ignore their stale status of "do just fine" and you can keep saying i gave up or whatever excuse you have; i proved you that i keep playing with my guild Artem, enjoying some days pvp with Drac and constantly improve with my environment of players.

An advice, if you know that you are at low point, dont reject the next player who offers helps and tips.You will just end up staying there.

If your guild is doing so well why are you wasting your time with EP then? AD in general is at a low point as was DC and EP at a point in time. Long winded answers for a simple question.

DING DING DIING DIIING ! WE HAVE A WINNER!

I recommend you to read the post of Viles, is in this thread, few posts ago. He explained it very very well.

So instead of helping it get better you tuck your tail and run? When things are hard it’s not an easy climb out of the hole. Shows your true character as a person. DING DING DING HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!

omg. you still dont understand, in how many ways you want me to explain it? Even it looks like you dont want to understand at all. I think i already posted a lot of comments to give you an answer; if you still have doubts, just read it again.

This line was interesting "it’s not an easy climb out of the hole. ". You are right i`ve been pulling (at least trying) ad out of the hole, but as i said they just reject, reject, ignore, insult, etc etc all ideas someone bring into the table. I looked in to the hole and tried to help; I wont be pulled in to it.

Rohamad_Ali

VaranisArano wrote: »

Potenza wrote: »

I can tell you why your getting the hate from AD. While we are trying to push DC - EP is constantly hitting our backyard at fare, bb and bm when they SHOULD be pushing DC as they are the leader in points to win the campaign.

Hey, if you can figure out how to convince my fellow EP to hit DC when DC leads the campaign instead of AD, let me in on the secret, will ya?

You should always be putting pressure on DC because DC are a warrior culture of players that love to fight incredible odds . They are mostly advanced players and one DC vet can easily take on a small group of EP no issues what so ever . Do not insult DC by tickling them with kid mittens in the battlefield . They will despise you for it and laugh at your weakness . You will be showcased getting farmed in a chuck Norris video . Prove to them you are not tween Skyrim fans that need 30 Templars to take an objective . DC wants to fight . AD likes to bridge battle and test builds . Engage in light RP with Draconis sometimes to .

Ghostbane

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Potenza wrote: »

I can tell you why your getting the hate from AD. While we are trying to push DC - EP is constantly hitting our backyard at fare, bb and bm when they SHOULD be pushing DC as they are the leader in points to win the campaign.

Hey, if you can figure out how to convince my fellow EP to hit DC when DC leads the campaign instead of AD, let me in on the secret, will ya?

You should always be putting pressure on DC because DC are a warrior culture of players that love to fight incredible odds . They are mostly advanced players and one DC vet can easily take on a small group of EP no issues what so ever . Do not insult DC by tickling them with kid mittens in the battlefield . They will despise you for it and laugh at your weakness . You will be showcased getting farmed in a chuck Norris video . Prove to them you are not tween Skyrim fans that need 30 Templars to take an objective . DC wants to fight . AD likes to bridge battle and test builds . Engage in light RP with Draconis sometimes to .

During my time in AD, nothing was more /y than Ignore Daconis.

NyassaV

You took away like 40% of the good players

HaroniNDeorum

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Haronin went to EP ? When did this happen ? I must of been gone on BDO .. @HaroniNDeorum why are you with EP ? They are smelly Nords and lizards . What in the world is the attraction in that my friend ?

The word "went" "moved" "re-rolled" its very complex. I am having a lot of fun playing Ep with Dracarys during some days some hours and i enjoy my game time in other days, other hours with my guild, both really good, friendly and challenge environments, i do enjoy my time in both environments.

Rohamad_Ali

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Potenza wrote: »

I can tell you why your getting the hate from AD. While we are trying to push DC - EP is constantly hitting our backyard at fare, bb and bm when they SHOULD be pushing DC as they are the leader in points to win the campaign.

Hey, if you can figure out how to convince my fellow EP to hit DC when DC leads the campaign instead of AD, let me in on the secret, will ya?

You should always be putting pressure on DC because DC are a warrior culture of players that love to fight incredible odds . They are mostly advanced players and one DC vet can easily take on a small group of EP no issues what so ever . Do not insult DC by tickling them with kid mittens in the battlefield . They will despise you for it and laugh at your weakness . You will be showcased getting farmed in a chuck Norris video . Prove to them you are not tween Skyrim fans that need 30 Templars to take an objective . DC wants to fight . AD likes to bridge battle and test builds . Engage in light RP with Draconis sometimes to .

During my time in AD, nothing was more /y than Ignore Daconis.

lol

WreckfulAbandon

Potenza wrote: »

I can tell you why your getting the hate from AD. While we are trying to push DC - EP is constantly hitting our backyard at fare, bb and bm when they SHOULD be pushing DC as they are the leader in points to win the campaign.

At least you recognize who we should all be pushing. My question is how has none of the hate caught up to the ultra zerg of DC? And those "elite small mans" lol

Zerging can happen 20v4 or 5v1, imo it's worse when it's 4 streamers ulti dumping on solo players. And the response to this behavior is often more zerging which further degrades the quality of PvP. We have an inevitable entropy occuring where the need of a few to shore up their epeens runs counter to new players finding enjoyment out of PvP. Which again makes PvP worse if the population remains stagnant.

The honor gained from a fight is inversely proportional to the odds of winning. Something we should all consider, at least those of us who truly seek good fights. I see a lot of streamers/longtime players who just want to group up with other streamers/longtime players and farm. To those folks, enjoy the victories, cause they are the empty husks of a PvP experience devoid of honor, but hey it still feels good to win

Take this all with a grain of salt, I this community and am glad you all are here

VaranisArano

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Potenza wrote: »

I can tell you why your getting the hate from AD. While we are trying to push DC - EP is constantly hitting our backyard at fare, bb and bm when they SHOULD be pushing DC as they are the leader in points to win the campaign.

Hey, if you can figure out how to convince my fellow EP to hit DC when DC leads the campaign instead of AD, let me in on the secret, will ya?

You should always be putting pressure on DC because DC are a warrior culture of players that love to fight incredible odds . They are mostly advanced players and one DC vet can easily take on a small group of EP no issues what so ever . Do not insult DC by tickling them with kid mittens in the battlefield . They will despise you for it and laugh at your weakness . You will be showcased getting farmed in a chuck Norris video . Prove to them you are not tween Skyrim fans that need 30 Templars to take an objective . DC wants to fight . AD likes to bridge battle and test builds . Engage in light RP with Draconis sometimes to .

Oh. See, when I see DC fighting with incredible odds, its because they brought their entire faction to roll over Chalman.

Rohamad_Ali

VaranisArano wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Potenza wrote: »

I can tell you why your getting the hate from AD. While we are trying to push DC - EP is constantly hitting our backyard at fare, bb and bm when they SHOULD be pushing DC as they are the leader in points to win the campaign.

Hey, if you can figure out how to convince my fellow EP to hit DC when DC leads the campaign instead of AD, let me in on the secret, will ya?

You should always be putting pressure on DC because DC are a warrior culture of players that love to fight incredible odds . They are mostly advanced players and one DC vet can easily take on a small group of EP no issues what so ever . Do not insult DC by tickling them with kid mittens in the battlefield . They will despise you for it and laugh at your weakness . You will be showcased getting farmed in a chuck Norris video . Prove to them you are not tween Skyrim fans that need 30 Templars to take an objective . DC wants to fight . AD likes to bridge battle and test builds . Engage in light RP with Draconis sometimes to .

Oh. See, when I see DC fighting with incredible odds, its because they brought their entire faction to roll over Chalman.

No . No no no . That is when they are sharing the opportunity to feel the glory of being overwhelmed . What an honor .