Help magsorc build end-game

jchrist21

Hi all! I'm new, so forgive me if I made some mistake
I'm a magsorc highelf with 610cp, but I think my stats are really low!

My set is:
5 yellow necromance
infallible eather yellow jewelry (I have elegant and willpower too)
head and shoulders of maw of infernal (yellow only the head heavy. I have light shoulders so I'm waiting).
1 lightning yellow staff of the torug
1 lightning yellow staff of infallible eather

So, I have 42k magicka, 2100 spell damage, but 42% of critical. So, sometimes my shooting star take 30k damage.

I don't know why I'm so low on damage

Thanks for help

Azurya

hello there!
can you hand out some more information, pls!

what mundus
what food
how you set your cp

my magusers run something like julianos 5 pcs, 5 necropotence or warmaiden
monsterset varying, but sure not maw of infernal
and though just around 40k magicka they hit like truck

perhaps you can also say something about your skills and your rotattion?

jchrist21

Sure! Sorry!

I have:
Mundus: the thief
Food: solitude salmon or a purple tristat

CP:
- Warrior: 30 bastion - 20 thick skinned - 49 elemental defend - 49 hardy - 38 ironclad - 17 spell shield
- Mage: 75 traumaturge - 46 elemental expert - 28 elfborn - 32 spell erosion - 22 staff expert
- Thief: 45 warlord - 39 arcanist - 39 tenacity - 51 tumbling - 30 shadow ward

Skills:
1 staff: volatile familiar - bound aegis - mages wrath - daedric prey - force pulse
2 staff: volatile familiar - bound aegis - hardened ward - elemental blockade - liquid lightning

About the rotation I don't have an usual rotation. I'm still building my sorc so I want to learn the best rotation. But, I use:
prey - switch - ward - pet - blockade - liquid - switch - pulse - wrath.
And restart. But during these attacks I use heavy attacks.

Lord-Otto

Ah, think I know what's up.


Thief has been nerfed and is now in almost all scenarios inferior to the simple damage mundus (Apprentice/Warrior). Pick Apprentice in group play.
If you're alone, kicking the target skeleton, for example, you'll be missing penetration. Use the Lover then. Mind you, all debuffs included, you wanna have 18.2k penetration. No less, no more.

You also need a lot more CP into Elfborn, should be around 51. You can use points from Staff Expert for that. Really don't need that CP.

I would also recommend more magicka sustain so you don't have to heavy attack so often. Pull points from Warlord, Tumbling and Shadow Ward. Just a few. And put them into Arcanist and Tenacity.
Since you're a pet build, you can afford Witchmother's Potent Brew, without dipping too low on health. I personally find this better than bistat food and heavy attacking all the time. You will have to heavy far less often.

For your skills, that's solid, but you should really include Crystal Frags for the damage and the Minor Prophecy buff. You can replace Bound Aegis with Inner Light on the front and backbar Mage's Wrath.

The common rotation is
Liquid - Blockade - Barswap - Pet - Prey - Pulse x3 - Barswap - Restart.
With light attack between each skill and Frag instead of Pulse when it's procced. Wrath instead of Pulse/Frag/Prey when executing. Heavy lightning attack instead of Pulse/Frag/Prey against trash mobs. And Heavy fire attack instead of Pulse if you need resources.

You mentioned Meteor, sorcs don't use that too often anymore. Lightning Rage synergizes better with passives and CP, and is therefore typically preferred over Meteor, even in single-target fights.
Shooting Star can hit harder with a Mag DK in group and points into Master-at-Arms. Maybe you've seen videos of that. This is, however, typically a more complicated and less preferred setup, so don't worry!

X3ina

Since you asked for end game build, here goes the crap for vAS hm

5 julianos (basic body pieces)
3 moondancer/master architect (jewelry)
1 maelstrom lightning staff (back bar)
2 slimecraw/ valkyn skoria (shampoo)
1 asylum fire staff (main bar)

All armor in divines, weapons infused

Main bar: pulse - frags - aegis - wrath - inner light --- shooting star
Back bar: curse - liquid - aegis - blockade - ward --- rage

Build is petless so we use non-pet curse.

Some explanation about why fire staff main hand: 8% damage done for single target abilities !!!

rest is not a secret but differs from team to team and from player to player (depending on group buffs and individual lack of skill)

hope it helps

jchrist21

Ok I will change the mundus and, better the cp and adjust the skills.
About the ultimate, I just use the shooting star to see the damage, but I prefer elemental rage. It's really destructive!
About the food, the tristat is longfin pasty with melon sauce. Does witchmother add less magicka?

These will be my skills..
1 staff: volatile familiar - inner light- crystal fragments- daedric prey - force pulse
2 staff: volatile familiar - inner light - hardened ward - elemental blockade - liquid lightning

About monster set I have a question.
Iceheart or Ilambris? I know it's Ilambris, but maybe Iceheart is good too..

X3ina

Best food is the new clockwork citrus fillet atm, if you can't afford it use witchmother.

Ilambris is a lot better than iceheart

Lord-Otto

Yeah, Witchmother's gives quite a bit less max magicka than tristat food. But the magicka recovery more than makes up for that!

Regarding your gear, as said above, inferno on front bar maximizes single-target damage.
It also helps proccing Ilambris. Maw of the Infernal is really strong, but very unreliable and can make your tank's life very hard. So Ilambris is typically preferred.

What about your traits?
Infused on backbar with damage enchant gives maximum single-target damage. Nirnhoned for maximum AoE against mobs.
Front should always be infused. Either with shock or fire enchant, depending on how much Concussion you have already.

Armor should be five light, one medium, one heavy. All max magicka enchants, all divines. Nothing new here. Infused on big pieces is okay if you have it already golded out.

jchrist21

Okok.. I have saved the nonpetbuild, so I will use maybe in the more difficult trials. I have almost everything.

About the traits, I have the torug lightning staff with both precise and nirno. And a IA lightning staff with precise. I will use the torug nirno in the AoE bar. The IA in the other bar. I just will change soon the trait and use the infused.

What enchanting have I to use? I have the max absorb magicka in both of them.
The rest is ok, magicka and divines.

jchrist21

Mistake. In the second bar I will use the inferno staff.

If I don't have the maelstrom, what staff can I use?

Asardes

2.1K spell damage seems awfully low. Have you re-enchanted your jewelry with spell damage enchants? Also 42K magicka seems low for Necropotence, are you sure you have toggled Bound Aegis and you are using food? Don't be afraid to play with low recovery, under 1K. You can weave heavy attack with force pulse on front bar to get back resources, and that works for almost any build.

Check this guide for a workable build:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pet-build-pve/

X3ina

Both infused main hand fire/shock/prism depending on a boss. Back bar weapon and spell damage.

If you don't have maelstrom go for any infused crafted staff.

Just remember that blockade of storms is a must for you

jchrist21

That build is great!! But I don't have that spell damage ahah.
But maybe when I'll change my cp, my mundus and use inner light instead of bound aegis, something will change. Idk..

But I'm on my good way, isn't it?

Lord-Otto

You wanna use a lightning staff on your backbar, to get the Concussion from Lightning Blockade. Since you only have a lightning IA, I would recommend using that on your front until you have an inferno.

Spell-/Weapon damage enchant (Okori) on backbar. Transmute to Infused if you want more single-target damage. Or to Nirnhoned if you want more damage against mobs with heavy lightning attack. Your choice. Maelstrom is best, but you can just use any lightning staff for now (your Torug works), as your IA staff is occupied. Should you get an inferno IA before a lightning Maelstrom, put the lightning IA on the back.


Front should be an inferno staff, especially with Ilambris (Iceheart is meh, btw). Always infused.
If you play a lot with a group with many sources if lightning damage, you want a fire enchant for the strong Burning DoT (Rakeipa).

If your group lacks lightning, or you're alone and Concussion won't be up enough, you want the shock enchant (Meip). Keep in mind that doing a heavy attack consumes the off-balance effect from Lightning Blockade. So the more you heavy attack, the more valuable that shock glyph can become to you.

It's difficult to really give you a definitive answer here - you might wanna test it yourself a couple times. But since you only have a lightning IA, for now I would lean to using the fire enchant, to proc Ilambris.

jchrist21

Good good good.. Good..
Ahaha I have a lot of information.

I'll try to find an Ilambris inferno staff..

About the Maelstrom.. Uhm.. I am at the last arena, still completed it (with a lot of difficulties because I had just julianos and torug and 400cp). Now I have a better set, but I still have to learn mechanics with this set, with pet and new skills. So I'm trying sometimes, and can destroy crystals, but I die always haha. So I want to have a good set and try without break the joystick in my tv

Ahaha I love you guys, thanks.. Tonight at home I will try to change something

Asardes

From my experience Ilambris procs often enough even if you have double lightning staves, if the front bar one is infused or charged and you're running flame glyph on it. It will also proc the flame component of Force Pulse. Flame staff with shock enchant will probably do a bit better on singe targets, but lightning heavy attacks are much easier to channel, they tick 3 times and do a ton of AoE damage. The light attack rotation is not workable unless you have a lot of group support, with someone giving you elemental drain and throwing you shards and orbs every 15s like clockwork. I wouldn't rely on that, so heavy attacks all the way.

Lord-Otto

You have to do a heavy every now and then, but that is still better than having a full heavy roration. And what's more important, it is group-friendly. Consuming your group's 10% damage buff from off-balance because you don't wanna sustain light attacks is very detrimental.
I typically use add phases to restore a bit magicka. Heavy lightning is best AoE in the game, so I'm not losing out. But if there are no adds or I'm too low, I'm not wasting even more time and damage on a heavy lightning. Inferno is the way to go here. Just aim properly.
And the better your healers, the better your dps. You can actually get very close to not having to heavy attack.

Regarding Ilambris proc, you have three times a ten percent chance to proc it with lightning front. If you don't consider burning status or Frag casts. That's not much. Not at all. I want that thing to proc consistently, and fire glyph helps.
Plus, more damage in total if your group runs proper lightning stuff.
#lightningmasterelement


Good luck with vMA, man!

You say, you die on crystals? You might wanna jump down before the DoT gets too strong.

jchrist21

Hi again. @Lord-Otto that's a question ahah
These are my staves (didnt remember i had so much)
Torug inferno nirno absorb magicka
Torug inferno precise absorb magicka
IA lightning sharpened absorb magicka
Torug lightning nirno absorb magicka
Torug lightning precise absorb magicka

(I can craft some other Torug ahah. I have more resins than transmute crystals)

Lord-Otto

Are they all golded?

jchrist21

Sure!

Lord-Otto

Then put the IA on the front and make sure you don't put too many points into Spell Erosion. Remember, 18.2k penetration, no more, no less. That includes armor debuffs from your group mates.

But the nirnhoned Torug lightning on the back, it'll be nice for trash mobs.

I have to admit, I'm not 100% certain how your front bar will perform. There are many factors here. I would definitely recommend testing numbers with the two infernos and the IA on front before dropping the golden glyph, just to double-check.

Btw, if you need Transmute crystals, you get a guaranteed geode in your Rewards for the Worthy on each character once per day. ZOS intend to fix that next patch, so use it now, as long as you can.

jchrist21

Damn.. I knew that I don't have good staves.

This night I've tryed a lot this build. But I still have low crit %. It's 42/44% and it sucks lol spell damage is near 2100 and 2300. Not so good but better then before.

I've dropped both Ilambris. Heavy head and heavy shoulders (I have to find better, but they are divines). Only the head is gold.
I'm using witchmother, no magicka problems, but stamina is really really low and I take kick in my face in the crystals phase at the last boss of the MA.

Lord-Otto

The staves are okay, as long as they're gold. They're just not BiS, but you can definitely work with them for now.

That last bosd requires quite a bit of stamina. Using tristat food for him only or tripots should help you there.

jchrist21

Good. I'll try the tristat food.

But but but.. Don't hate me..

Why I'm so low on % and damage? 42/44% is really low. I don't know how to improve it.

r3turn2s3nd3r

jchrist21 wrote: »

Good. I'll try the tristat food.

But but but.. Don't hate me..

Why I'm so low on % and damage? 42/44% is really low. I don't know how to improve it.

If you are not using Spell Power pots and don't have Inner Light slotted, where are you getting Major Prophecy from?

jchrist21

I've slotted Inner Light yesterday instead of bound aegis.
42/44% without pots. But I see screens of people with more than 50% crit without pots actived.

Lord-Otto

Have you activated a Dark Magic ability to get Minor Prophecy, granted you have the passive?

r3turn2s3nd3r

jchrist21 wrote: »

I've slotted Inner Light yesterday instead of bound aegis.
42/44% without pots. But I see screens of people with more than 50% crit without pots actived.

Ah. It is the Julianos set. You're missing the extra crit from that set. If you're using Alcast's template, notice that both of his pet builds use Julianos and that's why he's >50%

jchrist21

Now im this.

Staff 1: infallible aether lightning sharpened absorb magicka
Skills: inner light - pet - daedric prey - crystals fragments - crushing shock (i preferr it) ul: elemental rage

Staff 2: lightning Torug Nirnhoned absorb magicka
Skills: inner light - pet - Hardened ward - Blockade - Liquid light ul: elemental rage

Passive: all class passives, all destro passives, all light, medium and heavy passives, all soul magic passives, all fighter (except slayer), all mages, all undaunded, all highelf and all crafting (lol)

Gear:
Head ilambris heavy divines
Chest necro divines light
Shoulders ilambris heavy divines (i have to find medium)
Sas, gloves, breeches, shoes necro divines light
All with max magicka
Jewelry of IA arcane spell damage

All gold except for shoulders violet.

Cp:
44 warlord
50 arcanist
56 tenacity
33 tumbling
11 shadow ward

57 elfborn
43 elemental expert
28 spell erosion (how can I see penetration on ps4?)
75 traumaturge

40 ironclad
35 spell shield
40 hardy
40 elemental defender
12 thick Skinned

37 bastion

Atts:
41631 magicka
15124 health
9932 stamina
(witchmother is on)

1266 mag recovery
2509 spell damage (first staff)
2426 spell damage (second staff)
45.8% critical (same)

15413 spell resistance
10549 physical resistance
0 critical resistance


Low Low Low damage

jchrist21

Magicka is low than expected because I still not have morphed the pet. Idk if is good the clannfear instead of familiar..

SquareSausage

Yea your magicka is low, drop the witchmothers and just use bi-stats, health and magicka, get your medium shoulders that should also bring you up. With pet build you should be looking at about 50k.

If you are testing on a dummy, you want the Lover mundus and about 40 points in spell erosion (but in trials you change this).

You want the familiar it does most damage.

I posted this video in the other thread as im guessing you arent using spell power pots so here is a pet build with no spell power pots, voila.

it sounds like you just dont have the skills morphed and im guessing you dont have a rotation properly learnt to memory, once you get that it will shoot up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6pQ6EG9CPk